NationStates Jolt Archive

Description: RECOGNISING that it is impossible to completely stop crime in all nations.

CONFIRMING that barcoding items and giving civillians pass cards can help keep track of stolen objects.

PROPOSING that all items of transportation, public or private, should be barcoded to keep track of where they have been. This measure is only to be used for security, and not to invade on human rights. While many countries have their own bar code system in place, I propose we make an international one. This has been brought to light by the recent terrorist attacks on my country, and the difficulty obtaning records of where those terrorists have been.

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This is the proposal. It is extremely important so that terrorists cant attack :mp5: countries. If they do, the vehicles can be tracked to their origin, the base of the terrorist orginazation, and the government can "shut them down"

We are opposed to this. This is a first step towards a "rights economy", where everything is barcoded to show ownership of property. This leads to a totalitarian system of ownership, where everything including your coffee cup has a small barcode on it to denote ownership. All items are then registered through a central bureau creating a giant bureaucracy. Exchange of every item must go through this bureaucratic mechanism. To register every single vehicle would create a giant mess and add excessively to government. We do not want this.

I'm sure it would never occur to thieves and terrorists to perhaps ... fake ... a legit barcode on an item?

I'm sure it would never occur to thieves and terrorists to perhaps ... fake ... a legit barcode on an item?

Of course not.

*hides counterfeit barcode behind back*

true, this proposal could use more clarifacation on what is barcoded and how to protect fakes.

:confused: :sniper:

Hmm. lets see, if theres a database of that barcodes, would it think that one that isnt registered is real? i dont think so. Even if it were found as a legit code, the purpose of this resolution is not to show ownership. It is to trace vehicles in the event of theft or terrorism.
For Example:
A theif steals a car, and then switches the barcode with another legit one. They drive through one of the automated checkpoints that would take readings every so often, and they see that car as legit. It eventually ends up in another participating nation.
To find out where the car is:
(1)The person who owns the car tells law enforcement that their car was stolen, and provides them with proof of ownership.
(2)The law enforcement finds the car's barcode number.
(3)It says that it hasnt passed any checkpoints.
(4)Well, it clearly isnt where it was parked, so they call up the number on the sattelite
(5)They go back in the records to see when the car was parked, then follow it to a checkpoint, where they find out its current barcode
(6)They track that car with proof that it is stolen

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We are opposed to this. This is a first step towards a "rights economy", where everything is barcoded to show ownership of property. This leads to a totalitarian system of ownership, where everything including your coffee cup has a small barcode on it to denote ownership. All items are then registered through a central bureau creating a giant bureaucracy. Exchange of every item must go through this bureaucratic mechanism. To register every single vehicle would create a giant mess and add excessively to government. We do not want this.

As I stated, this is not to show ownership, it is to trace stolen cars or ones used in terrorism.

Also, have a machine produce and register the barcode in the factories that the cars are being produced in, and then stick them on in factories. THIS IS TO TRACK THEM. NOT TO SHOW OWNERSHIP.

Description: RECOGNISING that it is impossible to completely stop crime in all nations.

CONFIRMING that barcoding items and giving civillians pass cards can help keep track of stolen objects.

PROPOSING that all items of transportation, public or private, should be barcoded to keep track of where they have been. This measure is only to be used for security, and not to invade on human rights. While many countries have their own bar code system in place, I propose we make an international one. This has been brought to light by the recent terrorist attacks on my country, and the difficulty obtaning records of where those terrorists have been.

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This is the proposal. It is extremely important so that terrorists cant attack :mp5: countries. If they do, the vehicles can be tracked to their origin, the base of the terrorist orginazation, and the government can "shut them down"

The Republic of Compadria takes crime very seriously: Our nation combines libertarian social laws (legalised drugs except for the most serious substances, all-reaching civil rights, detention without charge banned, etc), with a system of progressive education and a strong police force. We would not hesitate to take measures to better track stolen goods (indeed our Home Office has an entire department devoted to this), yet we feel that this resolution impinges on too many esssential civil rights and represents a step towards authoritarianism.

If we consider the possibility that these measures may be used as accompanyments to illegal surveillance, tracking, etc, then we also see that to permit such tagging would damage our committment to a free and open society based on transparent judicial and law enforcement models. It would put unnecessary burdens on manufacturers who would have to comply with such a measure as well as our heavy environmental, health and safety and social laws regarding their operations and contruction.

Therefore, we decline to support this proposal.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

:confused: Much confusion here. I need to make a list.

:confused: 1) Generally speaking public transportation operates in known routes. The train goes along the track, the bus goes along the bus route. Knowing what bus or train a person is probably more important than knowing that the bus went once again on it's proper route. And since this is supposed to track items not people that seems a bit odd.

:confused: 2) For cars I thought this was the purpose of the Vechicle Identification Number (VIN).

:confused: 3) Still it doesn't tell you where the vechicle has been. If was purchased at point A, and now it's at point C you can't tell offhand all the points inbetween? Unless, of course, you come up with a massive detection system with censors everywhere, and a huge database to track it all.

Internal broadcasting GPS systems might be a better way to track rogue cars.

Horses?

Horses?

Parachutes? Shoes? Ropes? Logs of wood?

Exceptionally large otters?

I ... don't think so.
~ Czardaniél i Starfire, Slightly Inebriated UN Ambassador to Czardas... or was it the other way around?

Bread? Apples? Very small rocks? Cider? Gravy? Cherries? Churches? [/python]

Originally Posted by Maikeria
Description: RECOGNISING that it is impossible to completely stop crime in all nations.

CONFIRMING that barcoding items and giving civillians pass cards can help keep track of stolen objects.

PROPOSING that all items of transportation, public or private, should be barcoded to keep track of where they have been. This measure is only to be used for security, and not to invade on human rights. While many countries have their own bar code system in place, I propose we make an international one. This has been brought to light by the recent terrorist attacks on my country, and the difficulty obtaning records of where those terrorists have been.



i have to say, this law is much to vague. What constitutes cargo or property that has to be labeled? What do the passcards do? How many digits on the barcodes? Exactly how will this help fight crime? Even if some of these questions seems obvious, this is a law and these points have to be illustrated. Without these questions answerd in a solid and straightforward manner, it leaves all sorts of questions as how the law works, these lead to all sorts of problems if the law is passed (which laws so vague rarely are) as well as problems during debate, as no one is quite sure what their debating. I mean, is it just barcoding international cargo, to make sure it reaches its destination, fine. Or is it barcoding a car, so it can be followed for the entirety of it's use, then that would be an invasion of privacy.

I believe most nations already have barcodes on them.....

License plates?

Of course, these aren't the most secure form of barcodes available (they can be taken off fairly easily), but.....

Barcoding? What a ghastly idea!

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"What the blazes is a barcode?"

"It's something they have in the future, I believe Pointy"

"Ah, and what do these Barcodey thingies do then"

"Our intelligence isn't clear, but as far as we can make out all they do is sit on pot noodles and look bland"

*enter boring lecture by Pointy about how Pot Noodles defeated the Fuzzy wuzzies*

Yet again, we play these cards in combination.
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Very sorry for any confusion, I did not author this, a UN nation without 2 endorsements in my region did. If you need any help THESUPREMERULERMATTHEW will gladly be here in a short while

If you need to submit it for him, that's fine. However, tell him that if he wants his proposal to have half a chance of passing, he should sell it himself.

ok sure, i will

Parachutes? Shoes? Ropes? Logs of wood? take a guess :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:

Very sorry for any confusion, I did not author this, a UN nation without 2 endorsements in my region did. If you need any help THESUPREMERULERMATTHEW will gladly be here in a short while

I asked you if it was good, and you had every oppertunity to change it as you saw fit. I am removing you endorsement.

How would people feel about the following proposals:

Banning of Offensive Gestures (ban finger)
Banning of Public Sex (ban fluffle)
Two Gun Control proposals (ban sniper and mp5)
and a Chemical Weapons Ban (ban gundge)

I also blanket refuse to support a proposal written by someone with an all-caps name.

How would people feel about the following proposals:

Banning of Offensive Gestures (ban finger)
Banning of Public Sex (ban fluffle)
Two Gun Control proposals (ban sniper and mp5)
and a Chemical Weapons Ban (ban gundge)

I also blanket refuse to support a proposal written by someone with an all-caps name.

Those dont sound like much of proposals, and i doubt youd get much support. :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:

I refuse to agree with anyone who has a name that makes you make weird snort noises with your throat.

I refuse to agree with anyone who has a name that makes you make weird snort noises with your throat.

Well, I guess you'll be disagreeing with me on everything.

The Kingdom of Fourhearts notes with very little regret that we can not support a "Big Brother" type resolution.

However, we would support a ban on the offensive emoticon, but the sniper and mp5 must remain to protect the Nation of Emo.

Regards
Kingdom of Fourhearts

THESUPREMERULERMATTHEW:
1) Maikeria did not say your proposal was bad. He/she merely said that they couldn't comment when we asked for clarification or found holes in the proposal. Maikeria is relatively new to these forums and has actually earned my respect at being someone who take both criticism and suggestions in stride and uses a level-headed approach. I wouldn't expect Maikeria to be able to understand the finer inner-workings of UN proposals and being able to masterfully find loopholes and/or problems within any proposal thrown under his/her nose. I think it is rather unfair of you to so quickly criticize his/her for not being able to pinpoint the flaws. Even the best of us are not, necessarily, able to pinpoint all of the problems in the proposals we write, and some resolutions have seen swift repeals because of that. Considering Maikeria did a favor for you, I think you owe him/her the endorsement.

2) The finger and the three gun picts are, generally speaking, seen as a sign of someone who is uninterested in hearing criticism or accepting anything but praise. Your initial posts were nothing short of inflamatory, took insult from sarcasm, and showed nothing but anger, frustration and a lack of willingness to learn. Proposal writing is a long process, and very few that are run off in less than a week have much of a chance of making it to the floor. My own work has failed to beat 2 months of drafting time. Please refrain from using them.

3) While I saw your response to Fonzoland's sarcasm, I would like to hear what you think of other people's criticisms. With your responses, we can, perhaps, better gauge where to take this proposal and suggest potential rewrites.

4) Welcome to the UN.

take a guess :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:

Why, I am touched. I never knew you cared.

How would people feel about the following proposals:

Banning of Offensive Gestures (ban finger)
Banning of Public Sex (ban fluffle)
Two Gun Control proposals (ban sniper and mp5)
and a Chemical Weapons Ban (ban gundge)

I also blanket refuse to support a proposal written by someone with an all-caps name.

I would need to see a category for the first one, but otherwise I can help with the campaign.

The Supremely democratic states of Hirota wishes to express their approval of Maikeria and their condemnation of supreme idiot.

Anyhow, onto the proposal.

It's reasonably well written. Sadly, we oppose it.

This has been brought to light by the recent terrorist attacks on my country, and the difficulty obtaning records of where those terrorists have been. That sounds like a problem with your country, not mine.

I would need to see a category for the first one, but otherwise I can help with the campaign.
Moral Decency of course.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative