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Repeal "The Sex Education Act"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal
Resolution: #118
Proposed by: SaintlyLand

Description: UN Resolution #118: The Sex Education Act (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: RECOGNIZING: Sexual education is important for sexually active citizens.
FURTHER RECOGNIZING: Sexual education is a touchy matter that many parents would rather teach their children themselves instead of the government doing so.
FURTHER RECOGNIZING: Some nations feel that same sex relationships should not be encouraged in any way

REPEALS: "The Sex Education Act"
URGES: All UN nations to offer, but not require, sexual education courses for their citizens that educates on the most prevalent problems in their nation
FURTHER URGES: All UN nations to allow parents to teach their children instead of the government.



I'd like to open the floor up for discussion on this proposed repeal. If you don't like it, please say why, and if you do like, support it and feel free to say why you like it :)
Frankly, I think sexual education can be very benefitial, and this resolution still encourages nations to offer sexual education. The problem with "the Sex Education Act" is that it doesn't let states decide what to teach, and it doesn't let parents decide who should teach it. Whether you are liberal or conservative or of any other political inclination, I think this is a resolution that would benefit us all by putting the authority back where it belongs - with the individual nations and the parents.

I believe that Resolution 118 is a good one and should be kept. Though parents many want to keep their children away from the "sex talk" till the child is a adult and many people like to government to keep an arms length distance between them. I believe that parents may not fully understand the issue themselves, therefore the government must use the education system to educate people the risks that come from sex, and how to deal with them. Like safe sex or no sex at all, etc. Plus the fact that children and young adults(14+) are rebellious to their parents during teenage years. So they have a bad habit of doing stuff like sex because of what their parents have said. thats my 2 cents (hopefully they made sense)

I'm not arguing that parents don't want sex education for their kids, or that they don't want it till they are adults. I'm arguing that some parents want to deal with that issue themselves, and yet this proposal still encourages nations to offer government-taught sex education to take care of the rebelious children problem. In my family, sexuality was always a topic that we talked about with our parents, and I hope that it is that way with my children as well. Sure, mom and dad would have pitched a fit if I ever asked them to teach me how to put a condom on, but that is why states are encouraged to offer it for the public - if I really wanted to know, I could just sign up for the course. This proposal allows states to keep the status quo, but allows other states the freedom to change and deviate from the status quo. Once again, let me re-adress the two arguments you brought up:
1. Not all parents know what the real problem is - this is solved for by states still having their sexual education programs. If the parents can't handle it, they sign their kids up.
2. Some kids might not listen to their parents - this again is solved for by states still having their sexual education programs. If they don't want to listen to mom and dad, they can sign up themselves.

Resolution #118 doesn't force anyone to do anything. It's really nothing more than a position statement, so there's no need to repeal it.

URGES: All UN nations to offer, but not require, sexual education courses for their citizens that educates on the most prevalent problems in their nation
FURTHER URGES: All UN nations to allow parents to teach their children instead of the government.


I believe this is called attempting to write new laws in a repeal - illegal. Drop it and it'll be fine.

As for your preamble:
1) More space recommended (eg: an extra line between each clause)
2) Don't just have "Recognizing" - it gets dry (my suggestion: Recognizing, Noting, Acknowledging)

I've come round to The Sex Education Act. It was about the first proposal Gruenberg encountered in the UN, and we opposed it then, but we've since realized it doesn't have a mandatory clause, so it allows us to spread lies and disinformation about sex, to scare people out of doing it, all the while making people think that Sex Ed has been covered by the UN. For us, that's truly A Fair Compromise.

As the delegate from Cluichstan has mentioned, resolution #118 doesn't actually force the governments to do much. More in depth than that, and directly related to this repeal, is that it doesn't mandate that the governments require everyone to take said Sex Ed. courses, simply urges them to have courses available for all to take. Nor does Res. 118 suggest to encourage any particular sexual lifestyle choice at all, it once again urges that all alternatives are presented without value judgement. Urges, not demands or mandates. A strong suggestion without consequence for non-compliance.

Unfortunately, you haven't listed any valid reasons to repeal this bill.

Several more arguments to respond do, so I'll do my best.
1. It has been mentioned that 118 doesn't really require anything. This is even more reason to repeal it! Why do we need meaningless acts in the UN if it doesn't require anything? Someone said, and perhaps rightly so, that it is merely a positional document. Then what is wrong with adapting the position that the repeal urges be adapted? In other words, yes, my repeal is not mandating anything besides the repeal, but it is urging and suggesting that legislation be passed to do what is recommended. I acknowledge that we will need a separate resolution to do so, but first things first, and that is repealing 118
2. Suggestions were made on improving the wording and style of the proposed act. Thankyou for those suggestions, and I'll take them into consideration next time (unless I can edit it, which I doubt)
3. It has been said that 118 asks that all lifestyles be presented equally. I'd like to point out that many states have problems with that. We can see in America alone, various states have banned gay marriage. Would those real life states like all sexual lifestyles to be presented equally? I doubt it. Once again, this repeal would leave the power up to the individual nations and states.

Several valid points have been brought up, but I don't think they have been adequately adressed, or simply don't hold enough water. Sexual education is something that nations need to handle themselves, and the UN or any other international body shouldn't decide that for them. I'd still ask every delegate to strongly consider supporting this proposal

If you've submitted it already, withdraw it. If you leave it there, it'll be deleted and you'll be issued a warning by the mods. Like I said, the urges clauses are illegal.

If you've submitted it already, withdraw it. If you leave it there, it'll be deleted and you'll be issued a warning by the mods. Like I said, the urges clauses are illegal.
it is urging, not manditing, so where might I find the technicalities of the rules?

Repeals

Yes, you can Repeal, provided you use the Repeal function. If you make your own Proposal in some other category and calling it a Repeal, it's going to be deleted. Remember, Repeals can only repeal the existing resolution. You can provide reasons for repeal, but not any new provisions or laws.


It's all sitting in this sticky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465)

alright, thanks. I'll withdraw and re-submit it :) The question remains, how do I withdraw it? (in case you can't tell, this is my first proposal, so bear with me)

Go to http://www.nationstates.net/page=help

Choose 'Submitting inappropriate UN proposals'.

Put a message, with the name of the proposal, and why you want it withdrawn.

Make sure you're logged in when you send it.

Oh, my, repealing the Sex Ed Act, boy that takes me back.

1. It has been mentioned that 118 doesn't really require anything. This is even more reason to repeal it! Why do we need meaningless acts in the UN if it doesn't require anything?
Not requiring anything and being meaningless are worlds apart.

This sounds to me like a repeal for the sake of repeal. #118 isn't nearly as egregious as the most recent, needed repeals.

I don't think it'll fly. Then again, I'm a Seahawks fan, so what I support means precisely jack shit.

...but we've since realized it doesn't have a mandatory clause, so it allows us to spread lies and disinformation about sex, to scare people out of doing it....You realise that doesn't work of course, at least not in RL. The "Silver Ring thing" group tended to distort and misinform kids about sex - but recent findings show that 88% break their vows, and it simply leads to them being less well informed about sex.

Really, if we jsut let parents teach their kids, imagine what oculd happen. All the overprotective an ill-informed parents out there. Remember the movie "Carrie"? Do we want parents like that?

I suggest co-operation, parents discuss it with their kids, but the government should provide the scientific facts behind it, so it isn't clouded by obscure or out of date religous beleifs.

Whether you are liberal or conservative or of any other political inclination, I think this is a resolution that would benefit us all by putting the authority back where it belongs - with the individual nations and the parents.

No. I'm sorry, but this argument has been used in favor of every repeal for the past several months, and I can't look at this trend without getting the feeling that it's going to keep coming up until every UN resolution ever passed is repealed.

These repeals do nothing helpful. Look at the last few - repeal Gay Rights, repeal Abortion Rights, and repeal Right to form Labor Unions. I'm also going to include the Abortion Legality Convention because all it was essentially was a pledge to the anti-choice nations that the UN wouldn't interfere. All those resolutions were pertaining to things that most truly free societies legalize of their own accord. All this repeal does is open up the possibility for some nations to take advantage of the lack of legislation and spread misinformation ("Aids is spread by tears""Only gays get Aids") or worse, withold information entirely. I'm sorry, but the NSUN is, or should, be dedicated to PROMOTING reasonable standards of human rights and, not talking to you in particular, but if it is that importaint that you be able to arrest two men for holding hands, or in this case be allowed to withold sex education, therefore creating a society of pregnant, STD infected, school-flunking poor teens, (Again, not that you, specifically would do that, but some in the UN would) then why are you in the UN to begin with? All these standards are voluntary. Don't like being forced to take care of your people? There's the resignation button.

Alright, sorry about the blanket rant, but this is getting a tad old. All that said, the point that #118 has no actual mandates is valid. So I could be willing to vote for this repeal if a replacement is submitted first. But otherwise, a position statement is still better then pulling the only resolution on it in the name of national self-rule.

Perhaps we can amend the act to give a little more leeway as to how the countries teach sex ed

Look at Africa and AIDS, a lot countries have that potential if we don't devise reasonable standards of sex education. Governments could misuse it, and so could parents. I think parents should have a say, but we don't want misinformed parents simply continuing a trend of misinformation, so the straight facts should be given to kids, without the veil of religous beileifs or whatever.

Like I said, anyone remember the mom from Carrie? Who beat her kid because she had her period. Its an exaggeration but it makes my point.

I believe that Resolution 118 is a good one and should be kept. Though parents many want to keep their children away from the "sex talk" till the child is a adult and many people like to government to keep an arms length distance between them. I believe that parents may not fully understand the issue themselves, therefore the government must use the education system to educate people the risks that come from sex, and how to deal with them. Like safe sex or no sex at all, etc. Plus the fact that children and young adults(14+) are rebellious to their parents during teenage years. So they have a bad habit of doing stuff like sex because of what their parents have said. thats my 2 cents (hopefully they made sense)
The last thing want children being taught is that. It isn't government responsibility.Repeal #118 ASAP.