NationStates Jolt Archive

Everyday gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered and gay friendly people are
abused and harassed by homophobes. Therefore, I believe there should be laws excepting gay marriage widespread. Also that every school and organization should have a GSA. (GAy-straight association) Lets fight to abolish homophobia! Thank you. :)

Agreed, homophobes are bad people. Now, what on earth are "laws excepting gay marriage" or GSAs? Is this an attempt to start NSUN legislation, or did you just make a right turn in Albuquerque?

Indeed! Boo you homophobic types! And even worse ... the Homoerectus types! Stand up and be counted!

Joking aside isnt Homo + latinuese a type of evolution of Man. then surly Homo + Phobic = Fear of Man! Thus way to general a term to single out Gay folk. Now thats what i call lateral thinking! :D

Edit! Crazed talk induced by beer and the time being past 4 AM!

Now, what on earth are ... GSAs
Gay Sexuality Advisors?
Grey Steelworker Advocates?
Gaunt Speedskating Americans?
Gouda-Sucking Activists?

Gas Sonic Annihilators

I'm sure of it

We are Grateful for the Silly Amusement. :D

isnt this supposed to be IC?

isnt this supposed to be IC?

Partial IC. A lot of people simply swap in and out of character, others pick one. We're debating about IC items, but overall, this isn't a pure-RP forum. Stuff like the Stranger's Bar - now THAT's IC.

You're saying down with homosexual opposers? I could just as easily turn around and push through a resolution abolishing homosexuality, IRL, and if I worked for the UN (which is a piece of shit, btw).

You're saying down with homosexual opposers? I could just as easily turn around and push through a resolution abolishing homosexuality, IRL, and if I worked for the UN (which is a piece of shit, btw).

Actually, that may be a little bit tougher to do. To be precise, 6 times as tough. See, first you must repeal the 5 resolutions that protect this..then try your suggestion. :D

In real life, there are only five resolutions preventing me from doing that? Piece of cake. If I had teh right connections and enough money, I could literally have homosexuality outlawed across the globe. And I'm quite serious.

Whee agree that the principle issue witch faces hour nations is thee ill eagle hughs of homophones. Eye feel aye speak four awl of us on this bazaar practice. Homophones should half bean band years ago!

Wee must altar hour laws this thyme with no moor weighting. Neigh, wee must knot waist this chance, wee must seas our wright to reign in thee use of words witch sound thee same butt are spelt different!

If ewe don't tacks oar outlaw the hughs of homophones inn yore nations wright now, the UN wheel plays yore nation under marshall law! The whirled demands it. He'd hour call!

Wheel Donne, Fris! But if the Ewe Enn plaices me under Marshall Lore, I'll seize toupee Texas.

GSA's are: Gay-straight Association, as in a association where gay and the gay friendly fight for gay rights, don't they teach you this in school?

Read the book Keeping you a secret for some gay terms. Homophobe means anti gay, don't make this complicated!

Indeed! Boo you homophobic types! And even worse ... the Homoerectus types! Stand up and be counted!

Joking aside isnt Homo + latinuese a type of evolution of Man. then surly Homo + Phobic = Fear of Man! Thus way to general a term to single out Gay folk. Now thats what i call lateral thinking! :D

Edit! Crazed talk induced by beer and the time being past 4 AM!

No, I think that in that context it's actually from a Greek word for "the same" so that 'Homophobia' means "an irrational fear of 'the same' " (as shown by politicans who want to change everything that existed before they came to power?) instead...

GSA's are: Gay-straight Association, as in a association where gay and the gay friendly fight for gay rights, don't they teach you this in school?

Fortunately most of us went to a different type of school. One that focused more on our writing skills.

No, I think that in that context it's actually from a Greek word for "the same" so that 'Homophobia' means "an irrational fear of 'the same' " (as shown by politicans who want to change everything that existed before they came to power?) instead...

Homo is Latin. Phobia is latin. Both are borrowed from the Greek. "Phobia" survives in modern Greek pronounced like "fo-VOS" or "fo-VYAH". It does not mean merely "fear", it means an "irrational fear" of the Latin or Greek base fragment that preceeds it.

As for homo, in Latin, it means "man" as in "mankind" or "humanity". It's connotation as "same" comes from nothing more complex than someone looking in some sort of reflective surface and seeing themselves -- as in "hey, that's me!"

So in its strictest, denotative sense, homophobia means "fear of humanity". However, since languages like English are living, adaptable and changing systems, the use of "homo" as a synonym for "like" or "same" evolved to take over the overall main meaning of that root. "Homo" as "humanity" survives largely in anthropological and taxonomic senses (Homo habilis, etc.) and in the latin Catholic liturgical texts (as in the line from the requiem text known as lachrymosa: judicandus homo reus. I'm a bit rusty on my Latin liturgy, but I think that translates loosely to "judge and king of mankind".)

I know that the connotative sense of the base "homo" used in homophobia is intended to mean "same". I also know that movements throughout history have cheerfully co-opted language to suit their needs whenever possible. Someone with better Latin skills than I have might be able to suggest a more accurate word. Perhaps "mimeogonophobia" from "mimeo-" meaning "same" (mimeograph, mime, mimetic); "gon-" meaning "genitals" (gonads, gonorrhea); and the requisite "phobia" at the end. Sure, it doesn't have the punch that using the same base as "homosexual" does, but it's a helluva lot more accurate.

Okay, seriously, there are already resolutions passed granting gay marriage and human rights to all manner of carpet-chewers and pole-smokers, and I voted for all of the ones that came up while I've been on NS. Let's get on with life, shall we?

In real life, there are only five resolutions preventing me from doing that? Piece of cake. If I had teh right connections and enough money, I could literally have homosexuality outlawed across the globe. And I'm quite serious.

What a cute little troll! Go home to mommy and tell her how tough you were online today, you brave, brave boy.

GSA's are: Gay-straight Association, as in a association where gay and the gay friendly fight for gay rights, don't they teach you this in school?
Why the flaming fuck would that be a part of any curriculum? And in what class would it be in if it were? Health? Current Events? For the love of all that's holy, I completely support gay rights IRL, but dammit, people like you who insist that everyone think the same way you do about the subject are no better than the evangelicals and charismatics wanting us to think the same as THEY do. How's about letting us all make our own minds up without being bullied or talked down to, huh? Just this once?

Fortunately most of us went to a different type of school. One that focused more on our writing skills.
THERE y'go. Spot on.

You're saying down with homosexual opposers? I could just as easily turn around and push through a resolution abolishing homosexuality, IRL, and if I worked for the UN (which is a piece of shit, btw).

http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/wtf7an.jpg

Why the flaming fuck would that be a part of any curriculum?
Calm down, Intangelon.

Why the flaming fuck would that be a part of any curriculum?Sort of why these sort of things are called "extracurricular activities." :rolleyes:

Calm down, Intangelon.
By your command.

Forgive the invective, but that kind of condescension from ANY side of an issue, as though EVERYone is supposed to be familiar with this or that argument, is a pet peeve.

homo is latin for human. -phobia is greek for afraid of.
But together homophobic means fear of gays

homo is latin for human. -phobia is greek for afraid of.
But together homophobic means fear of gays

Go directly to school. Do not pass GO. Do not collect $200.

"Homo" means "same" -- hence, "homosexual" for an attraction to the same sex.

Sort of like Chemsistry - a Homogenius mixture will have all molocules of the same type, whereas a Heterogenius mixture will have different molicules close to each other.

Everyday gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered and gay friendly people are
abused and harassed by homophobes. Therefore, I believe there should be laws excepting gay marriage widespread. Also that every school and organization should have a GSA. (GAy-straight association) Lets fight to abolish homophobia! Thank you. :)

The Federation does not favor the active oppression of homophobes any more than it favors the oppression of homophones, homosexuals, homoerotica, or homogeneity. The beliefs of people are their own.

The Federation also does not favor the use of the United Nations to interfere in the domestic affairs of nations.

Thank you.

Minister of UN Affairs
Thomas Smith

The Nation of Gilabad is strongly against Gays. Gay people are the pestillence robbing this Earth of its morality. Homophobe does not exist in the Gilabadian vocabulary as all Gay people were kicked out of the country, before they were all killed as some of you may well know. It's not "homophobes" who should be outlawed, it's Gays. Gays are the insect and we must be the insectiside, we must kill all Gays!

-Warlord Shawhabas

Gays are the insect and we must be the insectiside, we must kill all Gays!Speaking of ignorant, backwater shitholes...

Pathetic. Truly pathetic.

- Elisa Day, Speaker for the Oligarchy
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

Now you listen here you treehugging dope sucking hippie! Gay people choose to be gay, they choose to go against the sanctity of humanity! It spreads AIDS and it is harmful to society. There is no room for them to be on this planet. You wanna talk pathetic than you tell that to Kofie Anan! OH NO KOFIE ANAN, YOU SCARE ME IN YOUR 5000$ SUIT!

-Warlord Shawhabas

The Nation of Gilabad is strongly against Gays. Gay people are the pestillence robbing this Earth of its morality. Homophobe does not exist in the Gilabadian vocabulary as all Gay people were kicked out of the country, before they were all killed as some of you may well know. It's not "homophobes" who should be outlawed, it's Gays. Gays are the insect and we must be the insectiside, we must kill all Gays!

-Warlord Shawhabas

Thank you for your input. After a short intermission for trolling purposes, we now return to our usual schedule.

It spreads AIDS and it is harmful to society.Like I said, backwater. It's not my fault that your pathetic nation is unable to fully manipulate the human genetic code.

There is no room for them to be on this planet.This "planet" is able to hold scores of billions of people. I'm sure there's plenty of room. And of the two of us, I doubt most would find me to be the offensive one.

You wanna talk pathetic than you tell that to Kofie Anan! OH NO KOFIE ANAN, YOU SCARE ME IN YOUR 5000$ SUIT!Who the Hell is "Kofie Anan"? Perhaps it's time for your medication, 'warlord'.

- Elisa Day, Speaker for the Oligarchy
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

You don't know who Kofi Annan is? Maybe you should read the news, buddy. Kofi Annan is the head of the real United Nations. (And sucks at leading it, by the way.)

You don't know who Kofi Annan is? Maybe you should read the news, buddy. Kofi Annan is the head of the real United Nations. (And sucks at leading it, by the way.)
OOC:
Hmm. Maybe you should read a bit as well. TMGH was pointing out the problem with another player's spelling. And another thing - Kofi Annan is the Secretary-General of the UN, which means he leads the UN Secretariat. He does not 'lead' the UN. He is not the 'head' of the UN. As to whether he 'sucks' at doing it, that is a matter of opinion.

I see. Good, he was scaring me for a second there. And don't hit people on spelling ... I'm dyslexic, and other people may be as well. Disabilities happen, and we try our best to live with them. Some, like me, can adjust - for others, it is harder.

The President is the "head" of the United States, right? Just because one is "head" does not mean that they are absolute ruler, it simply means that they are the most powerful single person. Kofi Annan fulfills this requirement. Of course that "he sucks" is an opinion - I'm entiltled to one, based on the fact that the UN is relatively weak right now, and continues to straddle the fence on issues like Genocide.

You don't know who Kofi Annan is? Maybe you should read the news, buddy. Kofi Annan is the head of the real United Nations. (And sucks at leading it, by the way.)

I believe the Hack was saying "This is NS! This Is NOT Real Life!!"

And as such there may be a Kofi Annan out there in one of the many UN Nations of NS but he has yet to achieve UN greatness. (or a lack of it in the RL case of Mr. Annan.)

The most Glorious hack, you have to be really stupid to call someone pathetic! This planet reaks of uncleanliness of Gays! Manipulate the human code, what kind of liberal treehugging maniac are you!?!

-Warlord Shawhabas

The most Glorious hack, you have to be really stupid to call someone pathetic! This planet reaks of uncleanliness of Gays! Manipulate the human code, what kind of liberal treehugging maniac are you!?!

The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of The Most Glorious Hack is a massive, economically powerful nation, remarkable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 6.371 billion live in a state of perpetual fear, as a complete breakdown of social order has led to the rise of order through biker gangs.

I'd say not a treehugger.

Yes a treehugger, if not a treehugger, than a commie! It doesn't matter their all hippies anyway!

The most Glorious hack, you have to be really stupid to call someone pathetic! This planet reaks of uncleanliness of Gays! Manipulate the human code, what kind of liberal treehugging maniac are you!?!

-Warlord Shawhabas

Yes a treehugger, if not a treehugger, than a commie! It doesn't matter their all hippies anyway!
Way to show your intelligence there, insulting a mod like that.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

wonders out loud if people who post legitimate posts on real concerns realize that a lot of the regulars of this message board will do anything to hijack the issue and be as hateful and ignorant as possible in the process?

Yes a treehugger, if not a treehugger, than a commie! It doesn't matter their all hippies anyway!

Hack? A treehugging communist? This kills me! :D

wonders out loud if people who post legitimate posts on real concerns realize that a lot of the regulars of this message board will do anything to hijack the issue and be as hateful and ignorant as possible in the process?
You are absolutely right. And on that note let’s get back on track. This is a discussion regarding Homophobia and the original posters wish to see a wide spread acceptance of Gay Marriage and relationships. I agree to his sentiment. However this is a place to bring about legislation so I suggest we do just that and leave Hack to deal with his troll in his own inimitable way.:D

Go directly to school. Do not pass GO. Do not collect $200.

"Homo" means "same" -- hence, "homosexual" for an attraction to the same sex.
Nope. Look in a dictionary. Look directly in a dictionary. Do not pass judgement. Do not collect ego. You could have read the post I put up with the help of Merriam-Webster. "Homo" means "mankind"; "humanity".

I see. Good, he was scaring me for a second there. And don't hit people on spelling ... I'm dyslexic, and other people may be as well. Disabilities happen, and we try our best to live with them. Some, like me, can adjust - for others, it is harder.

The President is the "head" of the United States, right? Just because one is "head" does not mean that they are absolute ruler, it simply means that they are the most powerful single person. Kofi Annan fulfills this requirement. Of course that "he sucks" is an opinion - I'm entiltled to one, based on the fact that the UN is relatively weak right now, and continues to straddle the fence on issues like Genocide.
OOC: Dyslexic my ass. What a lame and pathetic attempt to justify ignorance. If you were truly as "with it" in current events as you chastised TMGH for not being, you'd have known how to spell the Sec-Gen's name.

IC: What is this "Genocide"? I'm familiar with the word without a capital G, but as a proper noun, is "Genocide" a band, perhaps? Perhaps Phil Collins put together another subpar ensemble and has begun once again assaulting the world's ears with easy-listening music? God help us!

Nope. Look in a dictionary. Look directly in a dictionary.I did (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/homo-;_ylt=AsCvocrkPJRkhuXgbHbmyQWugMMF).

And what the hell is your problem, anyway?

Nope. Look in a dictionary. Look directly in a dictionary. Do not pass judgement. Do not collect ego. You could have read the post I put up with the help of Merriam-Webster. "Homo" means "mankind"; "humanity".
homosexual (adj.)
1892, in C.G. Chaddock's translation of Krafft-Ebing's "Psychopathia Sexualis," from homo-, comb. form of Gk. homos "same" (see same) + Latin-based sexual (see sex).

Bolding mine.

The root "homo" certainly means "same" -- homophone [same sound], homonym [same name], homograph [same writing], homosexual [same sex]

However, in taxonomy, it can also mean 'human', because we are the same as humans. (Most of us anyway.)

A member of the genus Homo, which includes the extinct and extant species of humans.

If you actually read what I wrote, you could tell I spelled his name right. It was a different forumer who spelled the name wrong. But, of course, you don't actually read. And I spelled genocide "Genocide" because I was referring to a specific instance of genocide, the genocide that the UN is strattling the fence on.

The commonwealth of Russey support the fact that you are trying to help but it brings about thought....Will this raise youth-realated crime(if the Gay-Straight schools go ahead)?

Everyday gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered and gay friendly people are abused and harassed by homophobes. Therefore, I believe there should be laws excepting gay marriage widespread. Also that every school and organization should have a GSA. (GAy-straight association) Lets fight to abolish homophobia! Thank you. :)


I believe that most nations have a POLICE force that protects it's citizens from abuse also work and ethic codes that protect them from any type of harrassment. So why does any UN member nation need this so called GSA.

What we need is to be left alone and let our education systems serve to educate our future citizens to read and write thus they can decide for themselves who they like who they don't like. Also they will be able to read the laws of the nation and follow them. All this extra stuff like this GSA in our schools only diverts funds and time from what needs to be taught there.

Reeding, Righting, Rithmatick.. not Rocking, Rolling, Raping...

Yes a treehugger, if not a treehugger, than a commie! It doesn't matter their all hippies anyway!
ooc, because you fail at telling the two apart:

Wow... just wow... here, ace; look at my nation page:

The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of The Most Glorious Hack is a massive, safe nation, notable for its complete absence of social welfare. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 6.376 billion live in a state of perpetual fear, as a complete breakdown of social order has led to the rise of order through biker gangs.

There is no government in the normal sense of the word; however, a small group of community-minded, corrupt, liberal, pro-business individuals is mainly concerned with Education, although Commerce and Healthcare are secondary priorities. Income tax is unheard of. A powerhouse of a private sector is dominated by the Information Technology industry.

Major internet servers have acquired citizenship and are voting in national elections, inheritance tax has recently been abolished, mobile phone masts are being erected all over the country, and cheese has become the new icon of political dissent. Crime is totally unknown. The Most Glorious Hack's national animal is the voormis, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the chit.

The Most Glorious Hack is ranked 2nd in the region and 2,072nd in the world for Most Pro-Market Nations.

Yeah. Real tree hugging and communist there. Acceptance of homosexuals has absolutely nothing to do environmental or economic policy. Furthermore, I don't by the "dyslexic" excuse. Dyslexia causes a scrambling of letter order, not the exclusion of letters wholesale. More importantly, Kofi doesn't exist in NationStates.

I did (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/homo-;_ylt=AsCvocrkPJRkhuXgbHbmyQWugMMF).

And what the hell is your problem, anyway?

It's one of ignorance, my friend -- shameless ingorance. ;)

"homophobe" lol! Is this term supposed to suggest that those that are morally opposed to homosexuality are afraid of homosexuals? The term is rhetoric to denigrade one who disagrees with another's belief system. I believe to be truly tolerant, one must have a belief system in place in order to express tolerance.

I'm for everybody having basic human rights. I don't believe any group of people should be singled out for special human rights above another.

"homophobe" lol! Is this term supposed to suggest that those that are morally opposed to homosexuality are afraid of homosexuals? .

Actually you are more right that you even realize. Hate crimes and discrimination against any minority group or anyone who is percieved as different occur because people are scared of what they don't know and do not understand.

This can also be applied to racism.. so yay you you didn't even realize it but you hit the nail on the head!!!

AND we are not after "special rights" we want the same basic rights as everyone else.. next you will be telling me that if gays and lesbians get civil rights then everyone will want them.

:fluffle: you've just been fluffled by a homosexual.. laugh it up fuzz ball.

OOC:

Oh, for Christ's sake.

Homos is a Classical Greek word meaning 'same'. It is used in English in the combining form homo- (sexual, phobe, geneous etc.).

Homo is a Classical Latin word meaning 'man'. This word is only ever used in English when referring to the genus Homo (sapiens, habilis, erectus etc.).

Yes, they get mixed up. But they are not the same word, and are used in different ways.

I'm for everybody having basic human rights. I don't believe any group of people should be singled out for special human rights above another.


Yahtzee!

Don’t start having cissy fits over definitions kids. Homophobia is derived from the Greek terms phobos, meaning "fear" or "panic", and homos, which means "the same". The "homo" in homophobia comes from the word homosexual, not to be confused with the Latin homo, meaning man (as in homo sapiens).

Anyway, homosexuals do need protection by the UN. Heck, if heterosexuals needed protection, I’d be all for protecting them, not because they are a minority, but because I feel that all peoples should be treated equally irrespective of gender or sexual orientation. I suppose we should not single out homosexuals, but till we see a recognisable need for the protection of heterosexual rights, we don’t see the point of changing anything.

EDIT: Just seen Darsomir has explained the whole homo thing as well. Good to have confirmation though :)

I'm for everybody having basic human rights. I don't believe any group of people should be singled out for special human rights above another.


Thus when you single out one group to require all to let them do something you abuse the rights of others in doing this. So which group has rights above another? Thus it's like getting in ones face on an issue forcing them to do something they may have moved to avoid doing. As some nations set up laws to protect citizens from certain things they do not like. Thus when a gay finds a place they are not welcome, stay out. As I'm sure those that don't like gays will stay away from you unless you get in their faces.... as this proposal will do on the issue... also as long as you follow local laws and respect others as you want to be respected.

Thank you for the comments for those of you who gave sane ones. But let me clear a few things for you. As in my previous post, lets not have an argument on the definition of homophobe, it means "afriad of homosexuals," don't argue over this. Also, the "don't they teach you what GSA's mean in school?" was meant to be a joke. I don't care if you didin't think it was funny, you don't have to yap about this eiether. As for Gilabad, the guy who obviously can't respect anyone different than him, what the hell is wrong with you? I don't need raging homophobes to post stupid comments. And for those who were afriad that doing this would give homosexuals special treatment, it is a good argument, I'll give you that; but think about it, not everyone is sane (like Gilabad,) and acting normal, I'm sorry to say, will not make things much better as it is. Think about it this way: If a friend or something is really, really mad at you, and for good reason, you can not just act like everything is normal, nothing would get better, when we can get everything to calm down, that's when we can treat everyone normal. I'm sorry if you don't think it's the perfect analogy, but you get the idea. Again, as for Dsboy and others that wanted to make some sense, Thank you. :D I understand if you feel differently, but please don't accuse me of not being open minded, and I don't want you to go insane over it.

And for those who were afriad that doing this would give homosexuals special treatment, it is a good argument,

It's not just homosexuals, it's anyone given such.. As by doing so one group is put above another and moving them away from that idea of 'created equal'. As it's true they may have all been created equal but once they out of the womb they start to change.. Put one above the other and they will never be equal or have much respect for the other each other.. They will be needing a proposal later to make them respect each other. So when does it end...? How many proposals do we need to keep peace between all the different groups in NS...?

I believe their are resolution that end discrimination in all areas so why do we need to single out one issue.. of discrimination such as gay rights. Is it not covered under discrimination laws in place... as required in some on the books resolution.?

Read the book Keeping you a secret for some gay terms. Homophobe means anti gay, don't make this complicated!

How about homophobe-phobes? Why cant we all just be phobe-phobes? Then there would be no more fear!!!

How about homophobe-phobes? Why cant we all just be phobe-phobes? Then there would be no more fear!!!

And now for something completely different. Have you heard of phonophobia? A morbid fear of sounds, including your own voice. It exists, honest!

How about homophobe-phobes? Why cant we all just be phobe-phobes? Then there would be no more fear!!!

Lol. Phobe-phobes would be nice, I kind of am. :p

Kennedy: There's nothing to fear except fear itself.

Hey Kennedy! How did you get in here? :eek:

*Kennedy disapears* Awww...... :(

*The estate of FDR sues Kennedy for plagiarism ...*

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8586/kennedy3yu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

to get back to the rather brutally stated point of this thread. Why is it that the pro-gay lobby plaster the "homophobic" lable over anyone who actually thinks that marriage should be for heterosexuals only? Why is it that if you dare oppose their right to do whatever the heck they want suddenly you are the hate-monger?

I am no homophobe and believe me I would gladly see the "god hates fags" group castrated and hung up but lets get this straight: marriage is, and always has been a heterosexual institution. It is the basis for a natural family. It is through heterosexual relationships that human reproduction takes place naturally. No matter how you paint it, homosexual relationships cannot produce children without help.

Fair enough you should have a decent amount of legal rights. You are quite right to claim your pension, next of kin and inheritance rights. Fair go. But by trying to force everyone to do things your way (as any resolution along these lines would) is too far. Marriage is, at its root, a religious covenant and not just a legal contract. Fine, many modern couples try to take that part out, but that would explain the high divorce rates. As a religious institution, it has a long history. At least from a Christian POV, this is one of a man and a woman pledging their lives to each other, a model of Christ and the church, a repetition of Adam and Eve.

Let's not let all this go too far. Sambre would be the day when suddenly it is okay to kill, just becuase you are gay. Please, in all your arguments, do not forget the rights of the majority and the sanctity of marriage and the family. it is this sanctity which needs to be restored if these institutions are to regain their honour and take their rightful place.

to get back to the rather brutally stated point of this thread. Why is it that the pro-gay lobby plaster the "homophobic" lable over anyone who actually thinks that marriage should be for heterosexuals only? Why is it that if you dare oppose their right to do whatever the heck they want suddenly you are the hate-monger?

I am no homophobe and believe me I would gladly see the "god hates fags" group castrated and hung up but lets get this straight: marriage is, and always has been a heterosexual institution. It is the basis for a natural family. It is through heterosexual relationships that human reproduction takes place naturally. No matter how you paint it, homosexual relationships cannot produce children without help.

Fair enough you should have a decent amount of legal rights. You are quite right to claim your pension, next of kin and inheritance rights. Fair go. But by trying to force everyone to do things your way (as any resolution along these lines would) is too far. Marriage is, at its root, a religious covenant and not just a legal contract. Fine, many modern couples try to take that part out, but that would explain the high divorce rates. As a religious institution, it has a long history. At least from a Christian POV, this is one of a man and a woman pledging their lives to each other, a model of Christ and the church, a repetition of Adam and Eve.

Let's not let all this go too far. Sambre would be the day when suddenly it is okay to kill, just becuase you are gay. Please, in all your arguments, do not forget the rights of the majority and the sanctity of marriage and the family. it is this sanctity which needs to be restored if these institutions are to regain their honour and take their rightful place.

I was about to attack you, when I found that you used the word 'covenant.' That's cute. :)

*snip!*

http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/values.jpghttp://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/gayscard.jpg

to get back to the rather brutally stated point of this thread. Why is it that the pro-gay lobby plaster the "homophobic" lable over anyone who actually thinks that marriage should be for heterosexuals only? Why is it that if you dare oppose their right to do whatever the heck they want suddenly you are the hate-monger?

I'll agree with that, but that's about as far as I can go

I am no homophobe and believe me I would gladly see the "god hates fags" group castrated and hung up but lets get this straight: marriage is, and always has been a heterosexual institution.

In most societies, yes. In other societies/religions, not necessarily. So?

It is the basis for a natural family. It is through heterosexual relationships that human reproduction takes place naturally. No matter how you paint it, homosexual relationships cannot produce children without help.

I love guys like you because it brings out one of the saddest stories I know - and most messed up I've ever heard of.

One of my friends back in High School (I actually first became friends with him in Grade 3) was going out with this one girl starting in March of his graduating year. In May, she decided to pursue a career in another province. On the last week of exams, she returned to inform him that she was pregnant with his child.

Fine, but this gets more messed up.

At the end-of-the-year celebration, he ends up having an accident that sterilizes him.

This is a true story but that's rather irrelevant - I think we can all agree it is a fully plausable scenario in the messed up world we live in. The importance of that acknowledgement is that your argument screws up when it's confronted with this story. Should my friend be required to marry her because he knocked her up? Society says no. Should he be barred from marrying anyone but her since he can't have children with anyone he does marry? Society says no. Should he even be permitted to marry her since they can't have more children? There are thousands of scenarios that exist in today's world where marriage is not about having a family. My current gf NEVER wants to have kids - should that mean we can never get married? I don't see any logic to that. I know couples that never had kids - either through choice or actual physical problems. So quite frankly, I find your claim to be nothing short of selective analysis of facts.

Fair enough you should have a decent amount of legal rights. You are quite right to claim your pension, next of kin and inheritance rights. Fair go. But by trying to force everyone to do things your way (as any resolution along these lines would) is too far. Marriage is, at its root, a religious covenant and not just a legal contract.

False

Marriage has been seperated from church by the vast majority of modern societies and has been for many years. There are many churches that refuse to recognize my parents' marriage - which was performed in a court. Many other marriages are recognized by one church or another. It is outside of the UN's jurisdiction to force a church to recognize a marriage, but it is within our jurisdiction to do so for a state. The state ONLY recognizes the legal contract, the church ONLY recognizes the religious component. Whether they recognize the other is their own choice. There are marriages recognized by churches but are not recognized by states.

Fine, many modern couples try to take that part out, but that would explain the high divorce rates.

Bullshit. Divorce rates have increased dramatically in both religious and non-religious marriages. Divorce rates in religious marriages are only 10% lower than non-religious. Check your facts before spewing that.

As a religious institution, it has a long history. At least from a Christian POV, this is one of a man and a woman pledging their lives to each other, a model of Christ and the church, a repetition of Adam and Eve.

From a state perspective, it has a history as long as history can record for states. Your point is still moot.

Let's not let all this go too far. Sambre would be the day when suddenly it is okay to kill, just becuase you are gay.

You are speaking of preferential treatment for gays. We're talking equal rights - and granting them marriage rights is not giving them preference over heterosexuals.

Please, in all your arguments, do not forget the rights of the majority and the sanctity of marriage and the family.

Explain to me, how is it that gays having the right to marry even REMOTELY effects heterosexual couples?

it is this sanctity which needs to be restored if these institutions are to regain their honour and take their rightful place.

"sanctity"? "honour"? "rightful place"? Please. Your feeling of a superiority of marriage is exactly why it needs to be given as a right to gays.

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Question: if marriage is such a bedrock of society, then how is it that its 'sanctity' is so easily undermined by a few homosexuals getting married? Are you really suggesting that as the groom watches his wife-to-be come down the aisle, he's not thinking, "This is the person I want to spend the rest of my life with," but, "OMG this day is totally ruined now I know some gays got married ew"?

Seems to me there's an easy solution to your problem: don't marry a homosexual.