NationStates Jolt Archive

METEOROLOGICAL COOPERATION

Category: Free Trade
Strength: Mild
Submitted by: St Edmund

Argument: The United Nations,

NOTING that accurate forecasting of the weather and of changes in the climate can be very useful for the agriculture, fishing, tourism and transport industries, as well as for nations’ populations in general;

NOTING that weather patterns are unlikely to fit neatly within national borders, especially when types of weather with potentially serious effects are involved, and that climate changes can have world-wide effects;

NOTING that the more information is available the more accurately weather-forecasting models can be designed and used;

REALISING that nations may be reluctant to share information about their current and predicted weather when they are at war, because that information might be of use to their enemies;

ESTABLISHES the ‘International Meteorological Organisation’ [or ‘IMO’] to collect information about weather, climate changes, and methods for forecasting these; to help develop better forecasting methods; and to disseminate this information to any cooperating UN member-nations whose governments request it;

STRONGLY URGES the governments of UN member-nations to cooperate with the IMO by supplying it with all of the relevant information that they possess;

STRONGLY URGES any governments of UN member-nations who choose to restrict the spread of relevant information during wartime to cooperate with the IMO by saving that information so that it can be sent to the IMO for research purposes after those hostilities have ended;

INSTRUCTS the IMO to cooperate with any other UN agencies that might also have an interest in the subject, such as [for example] the Natural Disaster Assessment Organisation or the Tsunami Emergency Warning Centre, within any limits set by the resolutions which created those agencies;

OFFERS the services of the IMO to any nations that are not members of the UN, if their governments are willing to pay a negotiated contribution towards its expenses and to send it all relevant information that they possess, except for any such nations that are at war with any UN member-nations;

REQUIRES that any information that the IMO has supplied to national governments shall only be passed to any subsequent users free of charge, rather than sold either by those governments or by anybody else.

Resubmitted 1.23pm, GMT: Currently on page 5 of the list.

http://nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=meteorological <-- Direct link, if it helps

Good luck!

I’ll be able to start telegramming in about five hours time, when (in the 1½ hours or so available) I’ll contact as many as I can of following delegates if they haven’t already noticed the re-submission by then:
1/. The delegates who I know approved it last time, accounting for 98 of the c.120 approvals that it received then: Aaronakia, Afinogenov, Afzengard, Agramerland, Alexandrian Ptolemais, Allied Alien Planets, Aramek, Ashohir, Atlanticus Prime, Barca mi vala, Baron Murat, Benfinan, Biotopia, Bowlation, Bronzeland, Caer Rialis, Calabran, Chelucia, Concordare, Davane, Delibird, Desert Storm Iraq, Elengwaith, Fedelopia, Fernetti, Flamebaittrolls, Flibbleites, Fredonistan, Frestonia, Gaiah, Garontaton, Gateborg, Greater Roanoke, Greater Tirana, Gunfreak, Haugestan, Hou Mian, HP Obsessors, Isis Rakael, Isle Of Hags, James_xenoland, Jellydom, Jey, Kalibara, Kleinekatzen, Korinekia, Legalese, Lotsa Touchie, Love and esterel, Malihople, Marry Jane, Marxist Rhetoric, Merapi, Montana Rojo, Mouldivia, Neo Ozia, New Hamilton, Northern-Chittowa, Nos Feratu, Novo Sibirsk, Nukingtons, Of Cascadia, Of Stoner Goners, Oiseaux Rochers, Omni-Palonie, Open sourcerer, Outer Cuffeovia, Palentine UN Office, Papertrays Returns, Peace and Relaxation, Petisolandia, Picman165, Priggdom, Randomplaceland, Richard2008, Ronrovia, Scotts and Lyon, Severidom, Tarmsden, Tau Ceta, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, TezC, The Beltway, The EGI, The Maddox Clan, The Wandering Nomads 2, The Weebl, Trajasistan, Trinidad n Tobago, Valori, Ville Marie, Westenwales, Worldia555, Wyldtree, Xarvinia--Wurtemburg, Yeldan UN Mission, Yissing Scalies, Zutroy.
2/. The other delegates whom I contacted before, some of whom might have been amongst those who approved it last time around after I had to log out: Aakron, Accrammia, Antrium, Bestestest, Brians Room, Brookium, Carbanousa, Carstenia, Cricket Fans, Deadcross, Delhar, Dorksonia, Egalitarians, Elghinn, Faerie-Sprite, Flomany, Garlandistan, Great Britain---, Greenpeoples, Haapalinna, Heazyuus, Hedonisia, Imanuel, Jeff Weavers Bong, Kirisubo, LawnElf, London Zoo, Mandlandia, Manflemingdon, Manussa, MarkDiamantia, Medicalis, Octavie, Phernblattistan, Republic of Freedonia, Retirement Villas, Richmont, RodSilvaland, Ryanania, Saxanglia, Shiny_minirals, The Black New World, The County of Worksop, The Derrak Quadrant (possibly replaced by Baudrillard), The Flaming Fhqwhgads, The Legendary Rodent, The Three-Toed Sloth; and the delegates of Denmark, Empire of Great Britain, England, Great Britain and Ireland, Middle England, Nederland, Norge, Norway, Pax Britannica, Realm of Great Britain, Rule Britannia, The British Empire, Scotland, Scottish Democratic Society, Wales, East Pacific, Indian Ocean, North Pacific, Pacific, South Pacific, The North Pacific, The Pacific, The South Pacific, The West Pacific, West Pacific (one of which is actually Caer Rialis, whom I know approved…).
3/. The following nations who approved it first time around, if they’re active as delegates again: Bastile, Elastigirl, ELDupree, Triple R, or their replacements if they have any.
4/. The delegates of Birmingham and City of London, using my TG that was designed last time around for targeting Britain-based regions’ delegates by referring to the hard-to-predict British climate.


If any of YOU want to help, then that's certainly fine by me :) : If you do do so then please post the details about who you're contacting in this thread, to reduce the chance of dupicated efforts &/or possible complaints of spamming...

Good luck with this proposal, it will certainly receive my endorsement again.

Good luck.

Don't TG me mate, I just approved it. Good luck. Heres to it getting to queue.http://www.comedyonline.co.uk/comedy-images/dave-allen.jpg

Fonzoland is against this proposal because square brackets are the root of all evil. No other objections, though. Good luck! :)

This once again has the approval of Wyldtree.

Ausserland supports this proposal 1000%. We believe it is an excellent example of exactly the sort of thing the NSUN should be doing for the good of all of us. It's a sound proposal, well though out and carefully drafted.

We would respectfully urge our colleagues who are delegates to approve this proposal and those who are not delegates to contact your regional delegate and call it to his or her attention.

By order of His Royal Highness, Leonhard II, Prince of Ausserland:

Patrick T. Olembe
Minister for Foreign Affairs

Our supplies of pine cones, elderly gents with bunions, ladies with water retention issues, farmers with colour fetishes, bunches of onions and little Swiss wooden huts with miniature figurines have now been made available to all the nations of the world to help create the correct ambience for such a fine proposal.

You've my support again as well. Good luck!

62 approvals; 62 still needed

Approval Link (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=Meteorological)

Karlania shall support this as well.

80 approvals so far, 44 more needed...

100 approvals; 24 still needed

Approval Link (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=Meteorological)

While we're afraid we can't see how we could help much (our weather forecasting service mainly based on when the birds fly north every year), Darsomir could definitely benefit from having help from the international community on this matter. We hope that this acheives quorum, and that it passes.

111 approvals in, just another 12 (as the total number of delegates has dropped since last week) still needed: Even if it doesn't get quite as many last-minute approvals as the previous attempt -- which was only at 97 out of 124 at this stage -- did, this is looking possible...

got my fingers crossed mate!:)

Only 10 more! Good Luck :)

got my fingers crossed mate!:)

Thank you.

Only 10 more! Good Luck :)

Thank you.
I've been doing a bit more targetted telegramming, yesterday evening & just now, by contacting delegates who approved your proposal and pointing out that you had approved this one in the hope that this might lead them to look at it: That has already brought in several votes (plus one rude reply, by somebody who doesn't really care about you or your proposal -- and thinks that getting a single TG is "spamming" -- and expressed a wish that this one would fail because it's "irrelevant"... Oh well, you can't please everybody...) so far.

114 appprovals in, another 9 needed...

OOC: I have to log out from the computer now. The suspense will be terrible!

6 more to go! Come on Baby! You can do It!!!!:)

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Congrats! :D

Well done St Edmund!

IN QUEUE!

The Ausserland delegation would like to invite all delegates who approved this fine proposal to a small celebration to be held in our delegation offices. Dwarven dark beer and kielbasa sandwiches will be served. Representatives who voiced their approval of the proposal in this and other forums are also welcome. The representative from St Edmund can come too, if he wants. ;)

We're hoping that the distinguised representative of the Palentine UN Office might bring along a case or two of Iron City for those preferring something a bit less challenging than our national beverage. And some of those fine Yeldan cheeses would be most welcome, too, of course.

For those who haven't visited our offices before, we're located on the 7th Basement level. As you exit the elevator, turn right and look for the "Boiler Room" sign. The party starts as soon as we get down there.

Pat, Miu, Hurl and Lori

My congratulations to the representative of St. Edmund. The approval of this fine resolution was overdo.

It made it? Whew! Third time lucky... :)

Now let's hope that the General Assembly doesn't reject it...


The government of St Edmund will send a couple of cases of rum to the party that the Ausserland delegation is hosting, and is also offering to buy each delegate who approved this proposal one drink of their choice in the Strangers' Bar.

Congrats!

The Ardchoillean delegation has never refused an invitation to party, but will be doing so with even greater enthusiasm than usual this time.

Even our Admin people approve (it is the role of Admin never to approve of anything not presented in triplicate, but, as this has been, you've won their hearts).

Congratulations!

And another 3 approvals since lunch-time: I wonder whether those delegates had heard about the free drinks? Well, I think that that trio (up to & including Wardor) will be the last ones on the list that Alfred Sweynsson gives to Neville...

See you in the bar!

IN QUEUE!

The Ausserland delegation would like to invite all delegates who approved this fine proposal to a small celebration to be held in our delegation offices. Dwarven dark beer and kielbasa sandwiches will be served. Representatives who voiced their approval of the proposal in this and other forums are also welcome. The representative from St Edmund can come too, if he wants. ;)

We're hoping that the distinguised representative of the Palentine UN Office might bring along a case or two of Iron City for those preferring something a bit less challenging than our national beverage. And some of those fine Yeldan cheeses would be most welcome, too, of course.

For those who haven't visited our offices before, we're located on the 7th Basement level. As you exit the elevator, turn right and look for the "Boiler Room" sign. The party starts as soon as we get down there.

Pat, Miu, Hurl and Lori

The Iron City (and Wild Turkey) are on its way.:)
Excelsior,
sen. Horatio Sulla

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Congrats! :D

I add to the congratulations. You're still a bang up guy.

Finally a Proposal that's both sensible and useful. Our delegation looks forward to approving this in General Assembly. Congrats and good luck.

It's now 'at vote'...

As there is no official topic as yet, I would just like to ask a simple question now:
Is this not unnecessary? The majority of nations can simply obtain information from satellites, those without such technology rarely leave their own states anyway.
The only readings not already freely available to all already would possibly by seismographic information, and unless dealing with tsnuami, are only relevant to the area surrunding the earthquakes, volcanoes etc surely?

Awaiting clarification,

Ms. Hodgelett Tirith, Randomean Representative

We congratulate the honourable delegate of St Edmunds and commend to him a fine selection of otter furs (not real, yet based upon the hair structure of the original noble beast) which we hope he will find satisfactory.

We also send him the weather forcast for Tarkan, our national capital:

Rain in the morning, followed by general cloud and fog in afternoon, yet reduced precipitation.

740 degrees (The area has its own rather bizzare micro-climate in which pressures never rise above 800).

Wind: 8-25 kph.

Humidity: 90%

Sun Level: 3 (out of 5, Low, Medium, Moderate, High and Very High, being the levels).

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

It seems this resolution had almost unanimous support. I see nothing wrong with it, congratulations and good luck St. Edmonds.

I dislike the strength, but it'll do.

Support

Edit: On a side note:

IMO, IMO is going to be the most annoying agency abbr to look at for a while.

We'd like to affirm to the representative of St Edmund that we, Gruenberg of the National Sovereignty Organization, will be strongly behind this resolution.

Ausserland has voted in favor of this resolution and we respectfully urge our colleagues to do likewise.

We believe this is an excellent resolution -- well thought out and well written -- which will produce significant benefits for both the accuracy of weather forecasting and the advancement of meteorological science. We commend the author of the resolution for his excellent work. Weather is a force that has no respect for national boundaries and is clearly a suitable subject of significant concern to an international organization.

By order of His Royal Highness, Leonhard II, Prince of Ausserland:

Patrick T. Olembe
Minister for Foreign Affairs

On behalf of this proud member of the United International Congress, I wish to state that it is my sincere belief that the organisation will support to the full this excellent proposal.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

We'd like to affirm to the representative of St Edmund that we, Cluichstan, of the National Sovereignty Organization, will be strongly behind this resolution, and are extremely disappointed by the lack of support from the Univeral International Cabbages or whatever they're called.

We'd like to affirm to the representative of St Edmund that we, Gruenberg of the National Sovereignty Organization, will be strongly behind this resolution, and are disappointed by the lack of support from the Univeral International Cobblers or whatever they're called.

We, the representative of Forgotten Territories, request that the representative from Gruenberg indicate which member of the Universal International Convention has thus far failed to show support (and I mean has either actively abstained or voted against this resolution, not those who have so far not had a chance to vote). Your attempts to discredit the UIC is sickening at best. Just a quick glance at the UIC boards would show you that we have so far voted unanimously in favor of this resolution.

We, the representative of Forgotten Territories, request that the representative from Gruenberg indicate which member of the Universal International Convention has thus far failed to show support (and I mean has either actively abstained or voted against this resolution, not those who have so far not had a chance to vote). Your attempts to discredit the UIC is sickening at best. Just a quick glance at the UIC boards would show you that we have so far voted unanimously in favor of this resolution.

We extend this request to the representative from Cluichstan

I will say here what I said at the NSO board. This is the kind of thing the UN should be legislating on. Cooperation that's in everyone's interest... not forcing one view on hot button issues. Some representatives seem to get the impression the NSO is against all things based on sovereignity. This is not the case. As a member of the NSO I simply discuss concerns on resolutions that, in my eyes and others', gos too far.

As an observer at both the National Sovereignty Organization and the Universal International Convention, a full-fledged member of the Green Think Tank, the UN Old Guard, the UN DEFCON, Reclamation, the Fonzolandian Association of Ecological Beaver Gastronomers, and many other associations, and an interested participant in the 21st Floor After-Hours Consensual Activities Comittee, the Fonzolandian delegation wishes to express its full support for the Metrological Corporation. We look forward to aquiring full membership therein.

I would like to formally anounce my interest in the 21st Floor After-Hours Consensual Activities Comittee as well :D

I think this sounds like a decent idea, though I don't really get the point or the need of it. :confused: However, I like the concept. Hou have my vote!:)

We, the representative of Forgotten Territories, request that the representative from Gruenberg indicate which member of the Universal International Convention has thus far failed to show support (and I mean has either actively abstained or voted against this resolution, not those who have so far not had a chance to vote). Your attempts to discredit the UIC is sickening at best. Just a quick glance at the UIC boards would show you that we have so far voted unanimously in favor of this resolution.
Well, I'm sorry you're not able to come out more fully in support of what we of the NSO feel is a truly worthwhile resolution.

There has still been no explanation why it is so.

As the UN cards say:
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(as far as I can tell so far.)

There has still been no explanation why it is so.

(as far as I can tell so far.)
What do you want it to do? It establishes an international meteorological agency, and outlines protocols for collation and dissemination of information. That seems to us to 'do something'.

There has still been no explanation why it is so.

As the UN cards say:
http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/toothless.jpg

(as far as I can tell so far.)

ESTABLISHES the ‘International Meteorological Organisation’ [or ‘IMO’] to collect information about weather, climate changes, and methods for forecasting these; to help develop better forecasting methods; and to disseminate this information to any cooperating UN member-nations whose governments request it;

This resolution states very clearly it's purpose to me. It establishes an organization and encourages cooperation in the matter. This resolution is beneficial to all, especially in the instance of monitoring severe weather that does not stop at national borders.

Well as I said earlier, unless it is a post-tech nation, that information is easily available from satellite etc. You're sharing something widely available.

What do you want it to do? It establishes an international meteorological agency, and outlines protocols for collation and dissemination of information. That seems to us to 'do something'.

The intent of the resolution is absolutely magnificent. I think there are areas upon which it can improve, but that doesn't mean they are significant enough that I won't support it. I'm sure you could agree that not a single resolution is passed that doesn't ahve a flaw here or there that you wish wasn't - or are you claiming this proposal is perfect?

Well as I said earlier, unless it is a post-tech nation, that information is easily available from satellite etc. You're sharing something widely available.
What about us poor nations, slightly pre-modern tech, who don't have access to fancy-schmancy satellites, who might like some help working out when the next blizzard is likely to arrive?

[edit] Aha! Found them!
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Well as I said earlier, unless it is a post-tech nation, that information is easily available from satellite etc. You're sharing something widely available.
I see your point, but at the same time you've hit on mine. There are differing levels of technology out there, even in the instance of those who do have satelites. Besides, forecast models differ with even good technology and the sharing of such information can give different perspectives.

Well as I said earlier, unless it is a post-tech nation, that information is easily available from satellite etc. You're sharing something widely available.
Not all states have the same level of technology, though. I don't mean PT/MT/FT, I mean that states at the same 'tech level' still differ in economic strength and industrial development. There may be particular technologies developed by certain states, that others do not have access to.

I also see this debate potentially being complicated by the nature of the NS universe, and whether one acknowledges other planets etc.

This is a decent proposal, worthy of consideration by UN nations. However, I do have a few problems with it:

First (a solvency point), there is no provision to ensure the accuracy of the data provided. In other words, there is nothing preventing a nation from providing false info just to be stubborn and ruin the system.

Second (another solvency point), there is nothing requiring anyone to provide it. If none provide it, we will have a comission that accomplishes absolutely nothing.

Third (basically summing up my solvency points), what advantages will this plan produce? None. It simply creates another organization that accomplishes nothing.

Fourth (an inherency point), we already can tell when storms are going to be developed that would affect our nations by using technology widely available to all of us - this plan doesn't solve for or fix any problems in the status Quo.

Fifth (another inherency point), what is to prevent nations from exchanging this data if they so desire?

For all these reasons, Saintlyland (and I don't speak for my entire region), stands AGAINST this proposal

I just feel it is enveloping what could be simply obtained information - even if it is through contacting another state, with all the trappings of costly red tape.
If someone requested information, or wanted to investigate one of my nation's volcanoes for instance I'm sure we'd be happy to oblige.
Instead everything needs to be sent to some higher body, who'd probably employ their own meterologists and seismologists, and then any other body would have to go through the rigmarole of gaining access to the information from the body.
Surely a simple duty to share information or, if necessary, equipment if lives are at risk, would be sufficient?

While I do not object to its motives, I just wonder if there are institutions worthier of UN funding.

I just feel it is enveloping what could be simply obtained information - even if it is through contacting another state, with all the trappings of costly red tape.
If someone requested information, or wanted to investigate one of my nation's volcanoes for instance I'm sure we'd be happy to oblige.
Instead everything needs to be sent to some higher body, who'd probably employ their own meterologists and seismologists, and then any other body would have to go through the rigmarole of gaining access to the information from the body.
Surely a simple duty to share information or, if necessary, equipment if lives are at risk, would be sufficient?

While I do not object to its motives, I just wonder if there are institutions worthier of UN funding.

We appreciate the concern of the representative of Randomea and his thoughtful expression of it, but we cannot agree with it. We believe that the assembly, collation and analysis of data obtained from participating national meteorological organizations will increase the value of the data exponentially. It will give meteorologists and climatologists a better opportunity to understand the weather on a global scale. And that is the function of the IMO. We do not believe this could possibly be done as effectively or economically by national weather institutions all working independently or by a simple sharing of data among them.

Patrick T. Olembe
Minister for Foreign Affairs

The Most Glorious Hack, being an observer to UNDEFCON, but not actually a member of the UN, would like to voice its support for both this Proposal as well as for the excessive use of bold words.

Thank you.

- Dargan Zaraad, Office of Unofficial Official Statements
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

The Holy Republic of Rahamin, though new to the UN, wishes to fully support this resolution, and is fully committed to taking an active role in seeing the International Meteorological Organisation (IMO) mature into a scientificly credible resource.

UN Delegate for the Holy Republic of Rahamin
David Kruger

The People's Republic of Groot Gouda applauds this resolution, the positive spirit (finally again!) and the stimulation of international cooperation. As (co-) author of two resolutions mentioned in this one, the NDA and the TEWC it's not surprising that I will wholeheartedly vote for this resolution.

The citizens of Fahnytum recognize that the proposal was put forth with good intent, but also recognize that research has again and again shown that prediction is only worth so much, and the resources should be focused on preperation and control versus prediction. The IMO sounds like it will be, in the end, a large waste of credits.

The Most Glorious Hack, being an observer to UNDEFCON, but not actually a member of the UN, would like to voice its support for both this Proposal as well as for the excessive use of bold words.

Thank you.

- Dargan Zaraad, Office of Unofficial Official Statements
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

Thank you. We aim to please.

Member of this and that and thence and otherwise.

EDIT: Uncle Tom's small contribution to the IMO: Emotional Weather Report (http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/tom_waits/emotional_weather_report.html)

I will say here what I said at the NSO board. This is the kind of thing the UN should be legislating on. Cooperation that's in everyone's interest...

The UN is pointless for that, because if it's in everybody's interest, it'll happen anyway. So the UN could better be used to force my views on the other 35.000 nations.

The UN is pointless for that, because if it's in everybody's interest, it'll happen anyway. So the UN could better be used to force my views on the other 35.000 nations.
Who will then resign from the UN.

The UN is pointless for that, because if it's in everybody's interest, it'll happen anyway. So the UN could better be used to force my views on the other 35.000 nations.

Good to see you're finally admitting you're arrogant and presumptuous.

It's a good resolution. Greater Seattle votes yes. Congratulations and a case of Intangelonian Brie to the author!

An international meteorological board is idiotic. There is a need for collecting weather data for the purpose of predicting major and minor events, but this resolution is not the answer for at least four major reasons.

First, the private sector is doing this already. Using data from satellites and private property in various key regions, they collect and interpret the information. These private corporations have been selling the data to other international businesses and to interested developed nations for decades now, and to introduce a redundant international organization would put them out of business. Not only that, but it's highly improbable that the international organization would do any better a job.

Second, the U.N. is a political body that negotiates security, human rights, and trade. To do this, they employ a committee apparatus. The U.N. is not and has never been a scientific body, able to collect and interpret data. The advancement of scientific thought requires a non-political, non-coercive atmosphere with no ties to governments or their politics.

Thirdly, meteorological information requires a sort of surveillance infrastructure that is a breach of national security. The U.N. has embassies in our countries for political reasons, but it has never been for the purpose of gathering geological information. Such knowledge comes at the price of our citizens' privacy and security.

And lastly, it is a waste of taxpayer money and international funds. We already have accurate weather data out there. Let's make sure the money we have as a U.N. body can go to things like disaster relief and peacekeeping during crises. I know the nations in my region will certainly not pay for this farce and most other nations would probably do the same. Just watch: the non-compliance clause will make it so it becomes an ineffective cronyist money-drain.

Thank you for the opportunity to speak out on this ludicrous idea, and I urge you to vote or change your vote to a no.

With respect to the honourable delegate of Drathic, we wish to differ from his assessment of the proposed system. It would in our opinion be highly beneficial if a greater spirit of international cooperation were fostered between members of the U.N., particularly with regards to scientific knowledge. If the provision of meteorological data could assist in environmental protection, flood defence systems, evacuation plans, etc, then it should be considered very much worthwhile for endorsement by the U.N.

An international meteorological board is idiotic. There is a need for collecting weather data for the purpose of predicting major and minor events, but this resolution is not the answer for at least four major reasons.

First, the private sector is doing this already. Using data from satellites and private property in various key regions, they collect and interpret the information. These private corporations have been selling the data to other international businesses and to interested developed nations for decades now, and to introduce a redundant international organization would put them out of business. Not only that, but it's highly improbable that the international organization would do any better a job.

The private sector does not operate according to the public good nor need, only according to profit, therefore it would be unwise to have them as the sole provider of such information. If they could be taken on board in a consultancy position, that would be excellent, yet otherwise we should be careful not to let market efficiency nor profit compromise an essentially humanitarian and scientific mission.

Second, the U.N. is a political body that negotiates security, human rights, and trade. To do this, they employ a committee apparatus. The U.N. is not and has never been a scientific body, able to collect and interpret data. The advancement of scientific thought requires a non-political, non-coercive atmosphere with no ties to governments or their politics.

STRONGLY URGES the governments of UN member-nations to cooperate with the IMO by supplying it with all of the relevant information that they possess;

It is thus put clearly that the body shall rely upon the contributions of member nations, not collect the data itself, except presumably where a nation requires such data and does not possess the means to acquire it on its own.

Thirdly, meteorological information requires a sort of surveillance infrastructure that is a breach of national security. The U.N. has embassies in our countries for political reasons, but it has never been for the purpose of gathering geological information. Such knowledge comes at the price of our citizens' privacy and security.

STRONGLY URGES any governments of UN member-nations who choose to restrict the spread of relevant information during wartime to cooperate with the IMO by saving that information so that it can be sent to the IMO for research purposes after those hostilities have ended;

A nation's national security would be treated with due discretion under this clause and we feel that this would not be a problem.

And lastly, it is a waste of taxpayer money and international funds. We already have accurate weather data out there. Let's make sure the money we have as a U.N. body can go to things like disaster relief and peacekeeping during crises. I know the nations in my region will certainly not pay for this farce and most other nations would probably do the same. Just watch: the non-compliance clause will make it so it becomes an ineffective cronyist money-drain.

Thank you for the opportunity to speak out on this ludicrous idea, and I urge you to vote or change your vote to a no.

I disagree with the pessimism of the delegate on this point and believe that cronyism, whilst to a certain degree inevitable, would not be crippling nor inhibit the proper use and acquiring of data.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

I agree with Mr. Otterby of Compadria and would also like to add...

Second, the U.N. is a political body that negotiates security, human rights, and trade. To do this, they employ a committee apparatus. The U.N. is not and has never been a scientific body, able to collect and interpret data. The advancement of scientific thought requires a non-political, non-coercive atmosphere with no ties to governments or their politics.

I do not agree with this assessment. The UN is a forum for wide spread international cooperation in all it's forms and there are certainly more resolution categories than that. Also, scientific development and political goals have, throughout history, often been related. Especially in the case of military development. The UN isn't a strictly scientific body and I'm no meteorologist, but we can legislate on the issue and encourage the sharing of this information.

IMO, IMO is going to be the most annoying agency abbr to look at for a while.

OOC: Don't worry, several of us are already working on worse ones... :rolleyes:

I see your point, but at the same time you've hit on mine. There are differing levels of technology out there, even in the instance of those who do have satelites. Besides, forecast models differ with even good technology and the sharing of such information can give different perspectives.

And there's only so much room in the most suitable orbits for satellites, too, which probably wouldn't be wide enough for every nation (or even every UN member) to have its own set of weather satellites even allowing for the fact that there are multiple worlds involved...

This is a decent proposal, worthy of consideration by UN nations. However, I do have a few problems with it:

First (a solvency point), there is no provision to ensure the accuracy of the data provided. In other words, there is nothing preventing a nation from providing false info just to be stubborn and ruin the system.

"STRONGLY URGES the governments of UN member-nations to cooperate with the IMO by supplying it with all of the relevant information that they possess;"

I would presume that "all of the relevant information" implicitly includes "all of the accurate information, and guidance as to which bits of the data supplied might be less than fully accurate", but I suppose some people might disagree with this. I'd definitely expect to see any nation that was found to be deliberately supplying false data defined as "not cooperating" and cut off from the IMO's assistance....

Second (another solvency point), there is nothing requiring anyone to provide it. If none provide it, we will have a comission that accomplishes absolutely nothing. Even if no nations apart from St Edmund (whose cooperation with the IMO I think we can take for granted :rolleyes:) were to supply any data the IMO would still collect information as best it could by other means, and study this, ready for any later time when nations might choose to cooperate with it after all. However, wouldn't you expect to see many (probably "most") of the nations who are voting FOR this proposal cooperating with the IMO if & when that body gets established?

Third (basically summing up my solvency points), what advantages will this plan produce? None. It simply creates another organization that accomplishes nothing.

OOC: If you roleplay then better weather forecasts, & interactions with the IMO, could be used in that context. If all that you're interested in is gameplay then there's the fact that turning this proposal into an established resolution will boost your nation's Economy rating slightly. I don't see either of those details as "nothing".

Fourth (an inherency point), we already can tell when storms are going to be developed that would affect our nations by using technology widely available to all of us - this plan doesn't solve for or fix any problems in the status Quo.

As other people have already pointed out, NS nations may have differing levels of technology available...
And then there's the additional point that data which isn't directly relevant to your own nation's weather -- and that consequently wasn't gathered by your own agencies -- might still be useful to researchers who are trying to develop better forecasting methods & climate models.

Fifth (another inherency point), what is to prevent nations from exchanging this data if they so desire?

Nothing at all, this simply provides a centre for making such exchanges easier on a wider scale: If any group of nations is already exchanging such data between its members and any of those nations then decides to cooperate with the IMO then the "all of the relevant information" that it possesses & should hand over to that body as part of the deal would, of course, include any such data that it had already obtained from those other countries (thus saving the IMO the trouble of dealing with those other nations directly, and thereby -- hopefully -- reducing its potential running costs slightly).

I just feel it is enveloping what could be simply obtained information - even if it is through contacting another state, with all the trappings of costly red tape.
If someone requested information, or wanted to investigate one of my nation's volcanoes for instance I'm sure we'd be happy to oblige.
Instead everything needs to be sent to some higher body, who'd probably employ their own meterologists and seismologists, and then any other body would have to go through the rigmarole of gaining access to the information from the body.

You'd still be free to cooperate directly with other nations without going through the IMO if that's what you'd prefer.
I think that any UN-employed seismologists would probably belong to either the Natural Disaster Assessment Organisation or the Tsunami Emergency Warning Centre, both of which already exist (due to previous resolutions) & would continue to do so even if this proposal gets defeated, rather than to the IMO...

The citizens of Fahnytum recognize that the proposal was put forth with good intent, but also recognize that research has again and again shown that prediction is only worth so much, and the resources should be focused on preperation and control versus prediction. The IMO sounds like it will be, in the end, a large waste of credits.

Accurate long-term prediction could tell farmers whether it would be better to plant drought-resistant crops or flooding-resistant ones in any particular year, which could make an important difference in some areas. How could people "prepare" for extreme weather in that sort of situation without reliable predictions as to its nature?

*snip*
Thirdly, meteorological information requires a sort of surveillance infrastructure that is a breach of national security. The U.N. has embassies in our countries for political reasons, but it has never been for the purpose of gathering geological information. Such knowledge comes at the price of our citizens' privacy and security.

And lastly, it is a waste of taxpayer money and international funds. We already have accurate weather data out there. Let's make sure the money we have as a U.N. body can go to things like disaster relief and peacekeeping during crises. I know the nations in my region will certainly not pay for this farce and most other nations would probably do the same. Just watch: the non-compliance clause will make it so it becomes an ineffective cronyist money-drain.

So how does the UN then get their data when they release world statistics? Things like crop estimates (which relate to food production), arability studies and other agricultural and climatological data are indeed the province of the UN. If the UN isn't supposed to collect scientifin information, what about all the pollution studies, carbon use protocols and other science-based policies and resolutions?

As far as disaster relief, surely that involves meteorology as well as geology, seismology, vulcaonology, thermodynamics, hydrodynamics and even more sub-specialties. To go even further afield, what about the psychology involved in counseling and aiding those affected by disasters?

All the non-compliance clause will do is allow those who don't wish to participate free reign to do exactly that. The collection and publishing of meteorological data is hardly a waste of either time or money -- no more so than the climate studies the UN has already created and relied upon for resolutions that deal with many environmental issues. Recieving raw data and processing it is not an expensive task.

An international meteorological board is idiotic. There is a need for collecting weather data for the purpose of predicting major and minor events, but this resolution is not the answer for at least four major reasons.

First, the private sector is doing this already. Using data from satellites and private property in various key regions, they collect and interpret the information. These private corporations have been selling the data to other international businesses and to interested developed nations for decades now, and to introduce a redundant international organization would put them out of business. Not only that, but it's highly improbable that the international organization would do any better a job.

Second, the U.N. is a political body that negotiates security, human rights, and trade. To do this, they employ a committee apparatus. The U.N. is not and has never been a scientific body, able to collect and interpret data. The advancement of scientific thought requires a non-political, non-coercive atmosphere with no ties to governments or their politics.

Thirdly, meteorological information requires a sort of surveillance infrastructure that is a breach of national security. The U.N. has embassies in our countries for political reasons, but it has never been for the purpose of gathering geological information. Such knowledge comes at the price of our citizens' privacy and security.

And lastly, it is a waste of taxpayer money and international funds. We already have accurate weather data out there. Let's make sure the money we have as a U.N. body can go to things like disaster relief and peacekeeping during crises. I know the nations in my region will certainly not pay for this farce and most other nations would probably do the same. Just watch: the non-compliance clause will make it so it becomes an ineffective cronyist money-drain.

Thank you for the opportunity to speak out on this ludicrous idea, and I urge you to vote or change your vote to a no.

OOC: Please bear in mind that NS is not RL, so your first & second points don't necessarily apply. Regarding your third point, if the IMO is able to get most of its data from the nations then it wouldn't be able to justify building the sort of "surveillance infrastructure" about which you're worried.
Regarding your fourth point, I disagree (but don't have enough time online available now to explain why).

Add on that to be able to control, you probably need to start looking at what factors cause certain situations and gather as much data about what would need to be controlled to control the weather. Therefore, any nation who has a research program into controlling the weather could look at the massive amount of data sitting in IMO, find the patterns and cause and effect trends and figure out ways to duplicate them.

We confess that we have little patience with members who choose to sneer at the ideas of other members as "idiotic", "ludicrous", and "a farce". We apologize to the other members of the Assembly for the somewhat harsh tone of our reponse.

An international meteorological board is idiotic. There is a need for collecting weather data for the purpose of predicting major and minor events, but this resolution is not the answer for at least four major reasons.

First, the private sector is doing this already. Using data from satellites and private property in various key regions, they collect and interpret the information. These private corporations have been selling the data to other international businesses and to interested developed nations for decades now, and to introduce a redundant international organization would put them out of business. Not only that, but it's highly improbable that the international organization would do any better a job.

You're sure of this, are you? We would remind you that this is the world of NationStates, not the mythical land of Real Life. We are unaware of any existing private organization in the world of NationStates that would invalidate the need for the IMO.

Second, the U.N. is a political body that negotiates security, human rights, and trade. To do this, they employ a committee apparatus. The U.N. is not and has never been a scientific body, able to collect and interpret data. The advancement of scientific thought requires a non-political, non-coercive atmosphere with no ties to governments or their politics.

The representative obviously is completely unaware of the existence of NSUN Resolutions #50, "UN Space Consortium", #84, "NS HIV AIDS Act", #90, "Tsunami Warning System", #100, "Natural Disaster Act", #114, "Establish UNWCC", and #119, "UNCoESB". All of them establish subsidiary organizations wholly or partly analogous to the IMO.


Thirdly, meteorological information requires a sort of surveillance infrastructure that is a breach of national security. The U.N. has embassies in our countries for political reasons, but it has never been for the purpose of gathering geological information. Such knowledge comes at the price of our citizens' privacy and security.

No it does not require such an infrastructure. Existing or newly established national meteorological institutions would be the suppliers of meteorological data to the IMO. Nations could certainly control release of any data that might, in very rare cases, pose a danger to their national security. As an aside, we know of no NSUN embassies in member nations.

And lastly, it is a waste of taxpayer money and international funds. We already have accurate weather data out there. Let's make sure the money we have as a U.N. body can go to things like disaster relief and peacekeeping during crises. I know the nations in my region will certainly not pay for this farce and most other nations would probably do the same. Just watch: the non-compliance clause will make it so it becomes an ineffective cronyist money-drain.

There is no such thing in the resolution as a "non-compliance clause". True, supply of data to the IMO is not mandatory. But the number of nations which have spoken out in favor of the resolution and the currently overwhelming vote in its favor strongly indicate that there will be many nations that see the IMO as having positive benefits and will voluntarily provide the requested data. Ausserland certainly will.

Thank you for the opportunity to speak out on this ludicrous idea, and I urge you to vote or change your vote to a no.

Ausserland remains firm in its support of this excellent resolution.

Patrick T. Olembe
Minister for Foreign Affairs

I for one cannot see why anyone would disagree with this Resolution. Smaller, less advanced nations still need to know the weather affecting their nation, and with international cooperation, a tradegdy such as the Tsunamis could be avoided, or at least better prepared for.

Thats my opinion and argument. :D


---Emperor of the Dominion of Wanderjar

You're sure of this, are you? We would remind you that this is the world of NationStates, not the mythical land of Real Life. We are unaware of any existing private organization in the world of NationStates that would invalidate the need for the IMO.

I wouldn't call it a need, but it certainly would be a worthwhile effort.

I know people hate to invoke that evil fantasy known as the "Real World" but as an avid fan of fiction I seem to recall that there is a growing trend in that area to use an insurance model for disaster prevention. Instead of trying to fork up the cash whenever the farmers start staring at their baren land, money is placed into an insurance account that would "pay" if a number of meterological conditions are met. (Hmmm rainfall has dropped 25% I suppose we should start paying out and get the food and water supplies going before the crops fail and the people starve.) Conversely it would hinder corrupt governments from abusing the generous nature of other nations to line their own pockets at the expense of their citizens. The collecting of meteorological data is crucial to such efforts.

As a new member of the UN, I suppose that makes this my maiden speech, and it's only going to be a short call.

This proposal is a good piece of legislation, and it has the full support of The Constitutional Monarchy of New kLemon. I also have it on good authority that my close ally, The Empire of WWWAAAYYY is voting for it as well.

Good luck with it!

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That was a fast coup!

My UN puppet has voted for this, and it seems its delegate will as well.

Enjoy your ~41 votes.

WOW. This UN is a joke. I enjoy seeing how pathetic these resolutions are getting.

WOW. This UN is a joke. I enjoy seeing how pathetic these resolutions are getting.Do you have anything worthwhile to post?

It's a good resolution. Greater Seattle votes yes. Congratulations and a case of Intangelonian Brie to the author!

Thank you. We normally get our cheese from Godwinnia, but they don't produce a 'Brie'...

WOW. This UN is a joke. I enjoy seeing how pathetic these resolutions are getting.

I guess you haven't been a member for very long. Moronic, pathetic, and just plain badly written resolutions has been a staple of this august body for as long as I recall, except for recently when the really bad ones never seem to make it off of the queue.

I have a simple motto. If you can do things better then be my guest, if not then shut up. Don't whine about "pathetic" resolutions ... write your own. (If you are not a deligate or one with enough votes convince another deligate to sponsor it for you.) Promote it. Get it on the queue! Get involved in the debate as it is up on the floor! Watch when someone else writes how your months of hard work and compromise is dismissed as a "pathetic resolution." Who knows, it might even get passed.

To the August Collection of UN Delegates:

I have been searching for nations voting against this resolution who will respond to my TG asking them why. After two days, I finally got someone to reply. Here, verbatim, is the reply I received:


NOTING that accurate forecasting of the weather and of changes in the climate can be very useful for the agriculture, fishing, tourism and transport industries, as well as for nations’ populations in general;

-I see no problems with this

NOTING that weather patterns are unlikely to fit neatly within national borders, especially when types of weather with potentially serious effects are involved, and that climate changes can have world-wide effects;

-no problems

NOTING that the more information is available the more accurately weather-forecasting models can be designed and used;

-no problems

REALISING that nations may be reluctant to share information about their current and predicted weather when they are at war, because that information might be of use to their enemies;

-What about when a nation is having tension with another nation, or anything relevant to the nations security.

ESTABLISHES the ‘International Meteorological Organisation’ [or ‘IMO’] to collect information about weather, climate changes, and methods for forecasting these; to help develop better forecasting methods; and to disseminate this information to any cooperating UN member-nations whose governments request it;

-Added beurocracy (excuse my horrid spelling) The united nations is already chalked up full of it, why add more.

STRONGLY URGES the governments of UN member-nations to cooperate with the IMO by supplying it with all of the relevant information that they possess;

-strongly urges is used, meaning you dont have to contribute. Any nation who doesnt want to contribute deosnt have to.

STRONGLY URGES any governments of UN member-nations who choose to restrict the spread of relevant information during wartime to cooperate with the IMO by saving that information so that it can be sent to the IMO for research purposes after those hostilities have ended;

-strongly urges yet again, plus in war your not going to use your resources for any UN orgization, you'll use it to defend your homeland. Unless of course you are the aggressor

INSTRUCTS the IMO to cooperate with any other UN agencies that might also have an interest in the subject, such as [for example] the Natural Disaster Assessment Organisation or the Tsunami Emergency Warning Centre, within any limits set by the resolutions which created those agencies;

-no problems

OFFERS the services of the IMO to any nations that are not members of the UN, if their governments are willing to pay a negotiated contribution towards its expenses and to send it all relevant information that they possess, except for any such nations that are at war with any UN member-nations;

-what kind of expenses and how much

REQUIRES that any information that the IMO has supplied to national governments shall only be passed to any subsequent users free of charge, rather than sold either by those governments or by anybody else.

-This means if i get this weather information, and i dont like you, i can give it (the weather information in your country) to non-UN countries free of charge that are about to invade you.



I hope this helps. Please let me know if i swayed your voting at all. And please point out any errors in judgement i have made and your opinions as well.

If this is among the hardest arguments against this worthy resolution, it is smooth sailing. Congratulations!

the Empire of Kirisubo has weighed this toothless proposal and found it wanting.

in short we cannot sit back and let yet another useless committee be established.

Hence we are voting against.

Ambassador Kaigan Miromuta

the Empire of Kirisubo has weighed this toothless proposal and found it wanting.

in short we cannot sit back and let yet another useless committee be established.

Hence we are voting against.

Ambassador Kaigan Miromuta

If the repesentative of Kirisubo considers aiding in the advancement of meteorological and climatological sciences, helping to increase the accuracy of weather forecasting, and enhancing the ability to prepare for weather-related natural disasters to be useless, we're at a loss to think of anything we could say in rebuttal.

We happen to think these are very worthwhile objectives for the NSUN and strongly support this proposal.

Patrick T. Olembe
Minister for Foreign Affairs

With the countless hurricanes and thunderstorms my people face, as well as monsoon season, The Dominion of Edoniakistanbabweagua agrees with this.

Jesús de la Ciudad de Azul
Delegate of National and Foreign Affairs

If the repesentative of Kirisubo considers aiding in the advancement of meteorological and climatological sciences, helping to increase the accuracy of weather forecasting, and enhancing the ability to prepare for weather-related natural disasters to be useless, we're at a loss to think of anything we could say in rebuttal.

We happen to think these are very worthwhile objectives for the NSUN and strongly support this proposal.

Patrick T. Olembe
Minister for Foreign Affairs

In additionn to agreeing with the comments of the honourable member for Ausserland, we would like to add that for nations with a large section of their economy in the primary (agricultural) sector, accurate whether forcasting could help prevent economic catastrophe and even famine.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

the Empire of Kirisubo has weighed this toothless proposal and found it wanting.

in short we cannot sit back and let yet another useless committee be established.

Hence we are voting against.

Ambassador Kaigan Miromuta

And yet I seem to recall seeing Kirisubo listed amongst the 'regional delegate' nations who gave the proposal enough approval to get this far... :confused:

My UN puppet has voted for this, and it seems its delegate will as well.

Enjoy your ~41 votes.

So your UN puppet's in Scandinavia, is it? Yes, Frestonia has been in favour of this proposal from at least my second attempt at submitting it...

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OOC: Wow, that sure was a waste of good sniper smileys.

So your UN puppet's in Scandinavia, is it? Yes, Frestonia has been in favour of this proposal from at least my second attempt at submitting it...Heh. Nope.

Okay I will vote for this but I do have a problem with it. Not all Forecasters are correct and if they post a warning that a Hurricane might hit it will make people panic. So even though I don't feel right about this I will vote for it.
-Commander of GRA Neverend Nitrous

Not all Forecasters are correct and if they post a warning that a Hurricane might hit it will make people panic.Hurricanes are pretty easy to notice, what with the giant swirling winds and all. Also, forecasters don't usually say "It'll hit 435 N. Patang Street", they use a Cone of Probability (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/weather/stormtrack/news-article-guide.aspx?storyid=38380) to show where they think it'll hit. Predicting major meteorological events is completely different than predicting if you'll get 2" or 3" of rain next week.

I still am not convinced that the advantages outweigh the expenditure.
If all this IMO is doing is holding information...as you seem to be using it to say 'it will warn xyz' which you have already said is the preogative of the various Warnings comittees, I forget the exact ones in existence, why bother setting a separate body with its drain on public finances?
Keep the ideas of sharing, but send the information to the pre-existing bodies, the information is in the hands of those who need it without having to do more than a little expansion to accommodate the other information.
Or repeal the other bodies and place them all under the title of the IMO.
One big co-ordinating centre is better than hundreds of one issue bodies.

I am sure that my friend and fellow dragon-aficionado Hodgelett, the eloquent and cultured delegate from Randomea, would not have mistaken 'bodies analagous to the IMO' as meaning 'bodies doing the same job as the IMO'. I believe that reference was to the structure of the bodies mentioned, rather than to their purpose.

If we are discussing the Tsunami Emergency Warning Centre and other such bodies mentioned in the proposal, it seems to me that their purpose is more specialised than the IMO's, but that the IMO's general information would certainly help make their job easier and quicker. If general information is put together regularly, potentially dangerous variations will show up faster. You have to know how something should be to see if it has changed.

I can readily agree with her observation that one big co-ordinating centre is better than hundreds of one-issue bodies, and I believe the UN is best placed to achieve this. It is an unfortunate fact that many little nations that start in a burst of enthusiasm quickly lose interest. An international meteorological system dependent on the input of members whose financial support might disappear at any minute is not an attractive proposition. The UN, however, like the Road, goes on forever. Members may come and go, but the entity remains. So it is the ideal body to undertake a plan such as this, which requires continuity.

The question of finance seems to be dear to everyone's heart, so I would point out that UN nations gain the full services of the IMO for the cost of their contribution, which in some cases may be nothing at all. Non-UN nations will have to pay -- I believe it will be necessary each time they use it? The proposer may be able to help me out there.

In view of the enthusiasm already evident, it is not unreasonable to expect that the IMO will be able to contribute usefully to its own expenses. So it would seem to me that we are getting at low cost a service which will repay us many times over in terms of lives not lost and disasters avoided, or even averted. For that reason, Ardchoille votes for.

Dear Ms Dicey, I was not suggesting the bodies mentioned currently fulfil the role of the IMO, although many representatives seem to believe the IMO will issue weather warnings, but that they could be expanded so that they do so.

Or as I said to incorporate them into a more solid IMO, perhaps as sub-departments within it.

But any such protestations are futile as this will pass, and I doubt anyone will repeal & redraft over what many will see as a small issue.

Until the next proposal,
Hodgelett Tirith.

ooc: btw, if this isn't impertinent, whereabouts in Sussex St Edmund? My home town is E'bourne.

Heh. Nope.

H'mm. That's the only one whose delegate I can see to have delivered a number of votes close to the one that you mentioned so far...

The question of finance seems to be dear to everyone's heart, so I would point out that UN nations gain the full services of the IMO for the cost of their contribution, which in some cases may be nothing at all. Non-UN nations will have to pay -- I believe it will be necessary each time they use it? The proposer may be able to help me out there.


I was assuming a subscription, with the amount probably renegotiated on an annual basis, but as I didn't actually say so that's presumably something which the IMO itself will have to decide...

Dear Ms Dicey, I was not suggesting the bodies mentioned currently fulfil the role of the IMO, although many representatives seem to believe the IMO will issue weather warnings, but that they could be expanded so that they do so.

Or as I said to incorporate them into a more solid IMO, perhaps as sub-departments within it.

But any such protestations are futile as this will pass, and I doubt anyone will repeal & redraft over what many will see as a small issue.

Until the next proposal,
Hodgelett Tirith.

ooc: btw, if this isn't impertinent, whereabouts in Sussex St Edmund? My home town is E'bourne.


OOC: Worthing... I've been through Eastbourne on the train a couple of times (going to Hastings & Battle Abbey...), but never actually visited the place.

The main reason why I didn't go for a repeal & [merged] replacement was that I wanted to start my resolution-proposing career with a "substantive" measure rather than a repeal in the hope of building up some goodwill/credibility: There are actually several repeals on my "to do" list...

Our heartiest congratulations to St Edmund on the passage of this very worthy and necessary proposal. We supported this article, along with our compadres in the NSO, because, apart from your usual UN resolution, which would force nations to comport to a particular point of view with a fair amount of finger-wagging sanctimony and declarations, this addressed an issue of genuine international import, compelling nations to come together and work collaboratively to confront one of the greatest threats of our age.

For generations, Kennyites have watched with awe as Nature (and the devious little operatic troll, portrayed by Elmer Fudd, who controls it with his spear and Magic Helmet) exacted its terrible wrath on peoples the world over, as its psychotic general commanded the storms and the winds to converge on one another with horrible typhoons, hurricanes, earthquakes, SMOG!!!, and worst of all, bwight wightning, all in his maniacal quest to "kill the wabbit!" Millions have been killed, families split asunder, empires fallen, kings and gods overthrown. We have longed to harness the weather's awesome powers for ourselves in our own drive to secure our hegemony across the developing world (Next Stop: Euocoupieiauoea), but so far, Mother Nature ain't givin' up her secrets, and as it stands, the weather remains a fundamental threat to our way of life.

I ask you: what if Elmer Fudd finally gets over the wabbit and instead turns Nature's majestical fury on our own nation so that he may kill Kenny? Have any of you considered that at all? Have you ever stopped to think that what with all of Elmer Fudd's fiendish strivings against the po' widdle wabbit, that he may also like to kill Kenny? Will all of you stand by and just let it happen? I know, right now many of you are snickering about the weather killing Kenny and whispering to each other in your sniveling little voices that it's been done (http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/omigodtheykilledkenny2.jpg), but it can happen again, I assure you. And we will not cower in the face of terror, or in this case, the weather; we intend to stand down this terrifying and devastating manace, confront it, and eliminate it. We will bomb the weather back to the Stone Age!

And this bill [holds up a copy of Meteorological Cooperation, decorated with childlike crayon scrawlings] is a vital tool in this fight, for it unites us all against a common foe, and fosters improved relations, communications and ongoing intelligence-gathering and -sharing operations between nations in order to alert affected nations as to where the weather may strike next, and when. Therefore, we have cast our vote in favor of this resolution -- erm, if we remembered to vote. [Scratches head.] Now, did I remember to vote on this proposal? I know it was on my to-do list this week. ... Hmm. [Clears throat.] Well, anyway, be also on notice that in the coming weeks the Federal Republic will be bombing Randomean cities and territories at will in order to calibrate its missiles for these noble efforts.

We applaud the members of the National Sovereignty Organization for their tireless support for this initiative, and invite all of you to ask yourselves: Where were the Uncircumcized Interfederated Cucaracha-dancers, while their NSO counterparts were providing much-needed guidance, veneration and advice to the sponsors of this excellent proposition? Where were they while the NSO threw its considerable weight and influence behind this bill? Where were they while the NSO members convened at their saloon with all their drinking buddies, to celebrate this proposal's reaching quorum, congratulate themselves and pat themselves on the back, and binge-drink until they puked, all over a proposal they neither authored nor telegrammed for? Yes, where was the Ultrafederalist Intraofficial-anti-nation Colossus while the nation that did author this resolution signed up and became an active member of the NSO? Where was the Utopian Interfaceübernazionalistesupernationalfederalist Confederation? I'll tell you where: in their Mad Science laboratory, in all their rodential gene-splicedness, plotting world domination, as usual! That's right, folks. The UIC does not support true internationalism; they are zealots on a mission to impose one-world governance on all UN member states. We commend the National Sovereignty Organization for being the only real internationalists in this body.

And once more, we give mad props to the St-Edmundan delegation for their valiant efforts to pass this legislation. A horde of derranged rampaging Kennyites will be rioting and blowing shit up in Paradise City tonight in your honor. Cheers.

Congratulations St. Edmund. Here's to more fine cooperation based resolutions that respect NatSov.

Our congratulations to the honorable representative of St Edmund on the passage of this excellent resolution.

Patrick T. Olembe
Minister for Foreign Affairs

Kudos. Also the first one to break the 80% mark since Repeal "DVD Region Removal", by my reckoning.

[Clears throat.] Well, anyway, be also on notice that in the coming weeks the Federal Republic will be bombing Randomean cities and territories at will in order to calibrate its missiles for these noble efforts.

I'm afraid that a large Hurricane called Caenneth (in the promotion of names from any gender or species) is hovering off the south-east coast of Randomea, which has already thrown several ACME water towers into the ocean. It would be most inadvisable to attempt to bomb us at this time, unless you wish the bombs to be blown back to your own ships.
If you fear that your ships will be driven on to one of our many beautiful reefs don't hesitate to contact us.

Yours blusteringly,
Ms Hodgelett Tirith.

Congrats.

And, incidently, is this the shortest discussion ever?

EDIT: I went to school in Eastbourne; originally from Buggers Hill!

And, incidently, is this the shortest discussion ever?Possibly. This was a rather harmless Proposal, after all; especially after the most recent -- and rather heated -- debates.

Reformed Literacy Initiative only had about 5 pages of debate; there were a few with 6 or 7 (Repeal "DVD Region Removal" springs to mind) a while ago.

EDIT: I went to school in Eastbourne; originally from Buggers Hill!

Well isn't it a small world? I spent 16yrs at MoHo, courtesy of having a teacher for a parent.

I'm afraid that a large Hurricane called Caenneth (in the promotion of names from any gender or species) is hovering off the south-east coast of Randomea, which has already thrown several ACME water towers into the ocean. It would be most inadvisable to attempt to bomb us at this time, unless you wish the bombs to be blown back to your own ships.
If you fear that your ships will be driven on to one of our many beautiful reefs don't hesitate to contact us.Bah. Hiding behind your "weatherist" friends, huh? We should have suspected as much. Make no mistake, Saddam: In the fight ahead, the Federal Republic will make no distinction between the weather and those who harbor it. And your weather-loving commune has been ripe for a stripper invasion for months now. Yay.

Congrats.

And, incidently, is this the shortest discussion ever?

EDIT: I went to school in Eastbourne; originally from Buggers Hill!


OOC: Don't forget the earlier thread, 'International Meteorological Cooperation', at http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=464082, which ran for 5 pages + 1 post...


What an unusual place-name!

:D I just got a wonderful message from the "Tzorsland Weather Channel" saying that they look forward to all this meterological information they will be getting. We may even have to retire the more traditional weather pelican for predictions. In any event I'm particularly fond of their motto: "Weather - wether you want it or not - we give it to you."

OOC: What an unusual place-name!
Heh, I know where he means. Well, I think I do, unless he means Bexhill.

I see that a repeal attempt has already begun...



Repeal "Meteorological Cooperation"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution

Category: Repeal
Resolution: #148
Proposed by: Swansalaunce

Description: UN Resolution #148: Meteorological Cooperation (Category: Free Trade; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.
Argument: This so called "cooperation" is going to destroy our national security. With all these satellites observing our "weather" they can spy into our nations top secret going-ons. I know that in my nation I have some things I don't others to know about and I'm sure everyone else does as well. I believe that people were misinformed about this resolution and were lead. I ask for a re-vote and explain the risks that this resolution runs of destroting national security.
Approvals: 12 (The Wilderness of Steb, The Wild-lands, Child Care Workers, OmniMega Pharma-Corp, Desert Storm Iraq, Cobainistic Freedom, Erith Avlantia, The Three-Pronged Leaf, Funky Evil, Dorksonia, Krankor, Leg-ends)
Status: Lacking Support (requires 112 more approvals) Voting Ends: Sun Mar 19 2006

"all these satellites"? Whose? :confused:

Kudos. Also the first one to break the 80% mark since Repeal "DVD Region Removal", by my reckoning.

By my reckoning, alas, it just failed to break that barrier: Still, somewhere around 79.83% isn't bad...

That repeal makes me think of the Simpsons...

"We've used satellite imagery, but all that's shown is that he's not hiding it on the roof."

I believe that people [...] were lead.

Yet another interesting alternative to Evolutionary Theory.

OoC: Burgess Hill; Sussex barn un' bred, meee...

ooc: that's what I thought.
Posh houses with horses.

While I get suicides an' the bootiful briny sea.