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Proposal Standard Fro Education by Aakron

The Wandering Nomads 2
18-02-2006, 20:22
Standard for Education
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.


Category: Social Justice
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Aakron

Description: The General Assembly of the United Nations

RECOGNIZING the right given to all individuals in member nations of a free education,

RECOGNIZING that education is a fundamental part of building a healthy global society,

RECOGNIZING that some individuals in member nations may be unable to pay for an education and thus would be denied one,

EMPHASIZING the importance of guaranteeing all individuals the right to a quality education,

LAMENTING that some nations may not be willing to establish a sufficient quality of free education to its citizens,

ACKNOWLEDGING the intentions of U.N. Resolution #28, and

REALIZING its shortcomings and lack of specifics,

RESOLVES TO ESTABLISH a standard for the quality of education to be given to all individuals under the age of 18 living in all member nations. The guidelines for such a standard are as follows:

• All citizens shall be given the right to free schooling (hereafter referred to as public schooling) which may begin at age 5 or any time thereafter, until the citizen turns 18, which shall be conducted in a public place and funded by the local government
• Citizens shall be given 12 years of public schooling, or will be freely schooled until the end of the academic year in which the citizen turns 18
• At the end of these 12 years of public schooling, or by the end of the academic year in which a citizen turns 18, that citizen shall be able to read, write and do arithmetic to a level which is practical, useful, and necessary for the lifestyles of the nation
• Citizens shall also receive education in the implementation of technologies as used in the business-places of the nation
• No religious beliefs, discriminations, or intolerance shall be taught as curriculum or impressed upon the citizens enrolled in a public school
• There shall be no restrictions on enrollment in a public school, save those of age
• Teachers in a public school shall be holding a degree from a legitimate college or university for the level and content which they are teaching
• Students requiring special academic help shall be given that help to the fullest extent of the facilities in which they are enrolled
• Public education shall be objective, and shall give citizens accurate information on subject matter without editing to fit any viewpoint

Written by: The Consortium of Monta Carna
The Wandering Nomads 2
18-02-2006, 20:24
This will increase all schools allowing ourselves and our children to learn more, and learn better. This will help us make advancements for the future in medicine, technology, and many other feilds.
Cluichstan
18-02-2006, 23:49
This will increase all schools allowing ourselves and or children to learn more, better, and improve technology, medicine, and other feilds for the future of the world.

Well, at least you demonstrate why we might need to improve education...
The Wandering Nomads 2
19-02-2006, 01:44
Mabye you just can't read. Read it a different way you'll get it.
The Wandering Nomads 2
19-02-2006, 01:45
also, i don't check over everything i write no one cares they know what i mean
Cluichstan
19-02-2006, 01:47
also, i don't check over everything i write no one cares they know what i mean


You're not William Faulkner. A period once in a while would be nice.
Cluichstan
19-02-2006, 02:07
And yeah, maybe we could all use a Standard Fro Education.

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Zeldon 6229 Nodlez
19-02-2006, 17:45
• Citizens shall be given 12 years of public schooling, or will be freely schooled until the end of the academic year in which the citizen turns 18
• At the end of these 12 years of public schooling, or by the end of the academic year in which a citizen turns 18, that citizen shall be able to read, write and do arithmetic to a level which is practical, useful, and necessary for the lifestyles of the nation

Due to the fact this deals with citizenship and sets that age at 18 it goes against our established age of 10 for citizenship with limited rights on completion of basic education courses; then full rights at age 16 after completion of Narional Service. Thus it effects an already effective well established education sytem and also citizenship in our nation.

We don't believe that any nation would want the UN to tell it when chidren become adults thus are citizens... So we oppose this for the age setting here ouside of the issue of education but into citizenship.

Also due to the wide mental abilities of each nations people to learn some may find that 12 years is too long others not enough so to fix it at 12 years may not fit all nation's needs for proper education of their people..


• No religious beliefs, discriminations, or intolerance shall be taught as curriculum or impressed upon the citizens enrolled in a public school
• There shall be no restrictions on enrollment in a public school, save those of age

Here it bans Theorcracy from teaching the bases of their government in schools funded by said government thus this is not legal.. As a Theorcracy has the same rights to teach about it's form of government in it's schools as any other form of government that funds those schools does.
Pythogria
19-02-2006, 17:49
Nice proposal! A couple things need to be edited, like Zeldon 6229 Nodlez said, but I don't agree with the "Theocracy" bit.Religion should be out of government compltely.
Gruenberg
19-02-2006, 17:50
Nice proposal! A couple things need to be edited, like Zeldon 6229 Nodlez said, but I don't agree with the "Theocracy" bit.Religion should be out of government compltely.
Which is illegal. The UN cannot ban theocracies.
Pythogria
19-02-2006, 17:52
And why not?
Cobdenia
19-02-2006, 17:54
Because it is an ideological ban, which is against UN proposal rules, perhaps?
Zeldon 6229 Nodlez
19-02-2006, 17:55
Nice proposal! A couple things need to be edited, like Zeldon 6229 Nodlez said, but I don't agree with the "Theocracy" bit.Religion should be out of government compltely.

Trouble is Theocracy is a legal recognized form of government in the UN and thus you can make no proposal that effects it or bans it. Thus to ban it from teaching religion is like banning your government from teaching about government... As Church and State in them are one.

Also you missed the issue of citizenship here as it makes a person a citizen right of without the nation having any say to when one is a citizen and what they must do to become one. Since this is on education any reference to citizenship or setting of ages for such should no be in it. That should be in a single separate proposal but here it sets it once they start school or at least 18.. some nations will differer on citizenship but have an effective education system... thus crosses over from education rights to citizenship rights. Two separate issues.
Pythogria
19-02-2006, 17:55
Hmm? It is?

Well, seriously though... perhaps it could make an exception there.
Gruenberg
19-02-2006, 17:57
Hmm? It is?

Well, seriously though... perhaps it could make an exception there.
What do you mean? An exception from what, for what?
Cobdenia
19-02-2006, 17:58
No, it won't. If you allow the banning of theocracies, you allow the banning of Communist states, Liberal democracies, fascist nations, Socialist nations, anarchy, lemming-ocracy, etc.
Zeldon 6229 Nodlez
19-02-2006, 18:11
The two issues this one can be faulted for is:

The ban on teaching religion as that would prevent Theocracy from teaching their form of government in their shools.

Then this establishes an age of citizenship for people within a nation and assume they are one from birth. As noted prior our people are not citizens until they finish a basic education and then have limited rights until they finish National Service. Thus in this one it establishes ages for citizenship that are not what we have established.. Also it voids our requirement for them to finish basic education courses before they become a citizen with any rights, then they must do National Service before they get full rights as a citizen. This makes them a citizen before they meet the requirements we set for them to become such...
Wyldtree
19-02-2006, 18:50
No religious beliefs, discriminations, or intolerance shall be taught as curriculum or impressed upon the citizens enrolled in a public school
I'd have to vote against based on this section. While no one in Wyldtree is forced to take religious courses, they are available in public schools. Anyone not wishing to take them may be excluded.

The wording here is a bit shakey in this instance. 'no religious beliefs... shall be taught as curriculum' where curriculum is defined as "All the courses of study offered by an educational institution.". So that would mean we couldn't offer such courses. If you wish to reword this proposal to say we may not force people to take these courses then I could vote for this.
Zeldon 6229 Nodlez
19-02-2006, 21:03
I'd have to vote against based on this section. While no one in Wyldtree is forced to take religious courses, they are available in public schools. Anyone not wishing to take them may be excluded.

The wording here is a bit shakey in this instance. 'no religious beliefs... shall be taught as curriculum' where curriculum is defined as "All the courses of study offered by an educational institution.". So that would mean we couldn't offer such courses. If you wish to reword this proposal to say we may not force people to take these courses then I could vote for this.

This still would not be legal as this would still ban a Theocracy from forcing it's people to learn about their government in schools to graduate. As government and church/religion are one. The only solution is to ban requiring any form of government or issues related to that government as a requirement to graduate or to say become a citizen of said nation; because in a Theocracy the Ten Commandments may be their laws where in one country it may be called a Bill Of Rights. One to many is seen as religious in content while the other is not.. however both should be allowed to require future citizens to learn them as a valid part of their government. The same may be said for them being reguired to learn say the Pledge Allegence to the national flag or say the Lords Prayer.. if they have same base for each then how can we ban one from making a so called Pledge/Prayer to a Flag or to a God. Where one nation looks to say a Flag another looks to a God... while still others look to a King or whatever... the citizens need to be taught some place the social rules of their nation.. Pledge or Pray to something..


A note I hate the term FORCING here as use it only because it was what was used in the original post noted. REQUIRE would be better but still see this as not legal if you stop any nation from teaching subjects that like religion when they are a base for it's government and you let other nations teach common things without restrictions or bans on them. Exampe: Ten Commandments or Bill of Rights -- Pledge or Prayer to some symbol of your government.
Safalra
19-02-2006, 21:10
• Public education shall be objective, and shall give citizens accurate information on subject matter without editing to fit any viewpoint
Objectivity is generally impossible. A better requirement would be for balance - where there is dispute (for example, over the interpretation of the results of an experiment, or the meaning of a historical document), the relative merits of the opposing viewpoints should be taught. (Of course, then you have to decide what counts as a viable alternative theory, and what's just Intelligent Design. :-)
Ausserland
19-02-2006, 21:29
We believe this portion of the proposal is unrealistic as a mandatory requirement:

At the end of these 12 years of public schooling, or by the end of the academic year in which a citizen turns 18, that citizen shall be able to read, write and do arithmetic to a level which is practical, useful, and necessary for the lifestyles of the nation

Unfortunately, there are people who are intellectually impaired to the point that this would not be possible. You cannot hold nations responsible for doing the impossible.

Lorelei M. Ahlmann
Ambassador-at-Large
Safalra
19-02-2006, 21:36
• There shall be no restrictions on enrollment in a public school, save those of age
So expelling violent pupils from the State school system would be illegal?
Wyldtree
19-02-2006, 22:18
This still would not be legal as this would still ban a Theocracy from forcing it's people to learn about their government in schools to graduate. As government and church/religion are one. The only solution is to ban requiring any form of government or issues related to that government as a requirement to graduate or to say become a citizen of said nation; because in a Theocracy the Ten Commandments may be their laws where in one country it may be called a Bill Of Rights. One to many is seen as religious in content while the other is not.. however both should be allowed to require future citizens to learn them as a valid part of their government. The same may be said for them being reguired to learn say the Pledge Allegence to the national flag or say the Lords Prayer.. if they have same base for each then how can we ban one from making a so called Pledge/Prayer to a Flag or to a God. Where one nation looks to say a Flag another looks to a God... while still others look to a King or whatever... the citizens need to be taught some place the social rules of their nation.. Pledge or Pray to something..


A note I hate the term FORCING here as use it only because it was what was used in the original post noted. REQUIRE would be better but still see this as not legal if you stop any nation from teaching subjects that like religion when they are a base for it's government and you let other nations teach common things without restrictions or bans on them. Exampe: Ten Commandments or Bill of Rights -- Pledge or Prayer to some symbol of your government.

I see your point, but I also believe what I suggested is a fair compromise. In the instance of a theocracy there are laws passed based on the religious beliefs but those are not the religious beliefs themselves. They may be identical but there is a line to be drawn there albeit maybe a thin one. You can learn about the laws on the books without getting into the religious basis for them. This does not in any way forbid the government type itself so calling it illegal on the idea of ideological bans is a stretch in my eyes. This deals with education, not administration. I think allowing that religion oriented classes within education be elective is the appropriate course of action for this resolution.