SUBMITTED: Fair Sentencing Act
El Caminos In The West
13-02-2006, 11:36
Linky linky clicky clicky (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=fair%20sentencing%20act)
The United Nations,
OBSERVING that some nations employ the death penalty as a sentence for the most serious crimes,
EXPRESSING ITS HOPE that nations can where possible find alternate means of punishment,
APPLAUDING nations who take steps to avoid judicial errors, to ensure that the death sentence is applied fairly,
AWARE that for some nations the death penalty is intrinsic to a cultural value system,
ACKNOWLEDGING the value of the death penalty as a deterrent to acts of criminal damage in some nations:
DECLARES that all nations have the right to use the death penalty as punishment for infringements of national laws they decide are capital crimes, and to determine the means of execution.
The author would like to thank Texan Hotrodders for their assistance.
Gruenberg
13-02-2006, 11:47
Quick FAQ
What does this do?
Allows us to kill our citizens.
Why?
It's funny.
Linky linky clicky clicky (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_proposal1/match=fair%20sentencing%20act)Apart from the proposal title being fairly inaccurate, it's pretty good. I'd like to see the availability of appeals being mandatory when the death penalty can be implemented, but I appreciate that it is a national issue.
Groot Gouda
13-02-2006, 15:33
Quick FAQ
What does this do?
Allows us to kill our citizens.
Why?
It's funny.
Nice summary.
Obviously I'm against it. I want to keep the option open of outlawing capital punishment throughout the UN.
St Edmund
13-02-2006, 15:43
Nice summary.
Obviously I'm against it. I want to keep the option open of outlawing capital punishment throughout the UN.
Except capital punishment for the crime of being an unborn child whose mother has decided that she doesn't want to bear it to term...
Ecopoeia
13-02-2006, 15:59
Except capital punishment for the crime of being an unborn child whose mother has decided that she doesn't want to bear it to term...
A potential, not actual child. There is no equivalence.
Mathieu Vergniaud
Deputy Speaker to the UN
Cluichstan
13-02-2006, 16:09
A potential, not actual child. There is no equivalence.
Mathieu Vergniaud
Deputy Speaker to the UN
As we've stated repeatedly, that is a matter of opinion.
Gruenberg
13-02-2006, 16:10
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=465009 <-- The thread for talking about abortion
Please, take it outside. I'd like to keep this thread confined to:
1. Discussing how great I am.
2. Complimenting my hair.
3. Making jokes about beheading people.
4. Saying that no, really, I am just so awesome.
Thank you.
(And seriously: this isn't about abortion; it's about capital punishment. The two are distinct; keep them separate please kids.)
Ecopoeia
13-02-2006, 16:21
OOC: Sorry, I should've ignored it. You know my position on this proposal anyway...
Fonzoland
13-02-2006, 16:31
Please, take it outside. I'd like to keep this thread confined to:
1. Discussing how great I am.
2. Complimenting my hair.
3. Making jokes about beheading people.
4. Saying that no, really, I am just so awesome.
Thank you.
Hmmm... something like this?
"Your hair is great, but would look even more awesome on the other side of a guillotine blade!"
Gruenberg
13-02-2006, 16:32
Hmmm... something like this?
"Your hair is great, but would look even more awesome on the other side of a guillotine blade!"
That sort of thing.
Groot Gouda
13-02-2006, 17:10
I'd like to keep this thread confined to:
1. Discussing how great I am.
2. Complimenting my hair.
3. Making jokes about beheading people.
4. Saying that no, really, I am just so awesome.
No, really, I am just so awesome.
Gruenberg
13-02-2006, 19:07
Alright, now a slightly more serious explanation of what this does: it's designed to prevent the UN from banning capital punishment. Much as with Nuclear Armaments, there are plenty of 'loopholes', and plenty the UN can still do (all of which we'll oppose, but the option is nice), but basically, the UN can't tell us not to disembowel people for speeding. Yay!
Gruenberg
13-02-2006, 21:56
This should also protect the right to execute children, the mentally-ill, and disproportionate amounts of minorities. And, come tomorrow, abortionists.
Imperiux
13-02-2006, 22:03
Imperiux is all for it.
Zeldon 6229 Nodlez
14-02-2006, 04:19
Apart from the proposal title being fairly inaccurate, it's pretty good. I'd like to see the availability of appeals being mandatory when the death penalty can be implemented, but I appreciate that it is a national issue.
I agree this one is not clear as think that your mandatory apeals would be included in the APPLAUDE nations line... some place in real fine print...
I don't think the UN should require nations to use any set form of capital punishent but leave the form of punishment up to each individual nation. If they want to stuff them in a prison cell and serve bread and water then so be it, those that want to stake them to ant beds so be it, then as we do just find a good rope and hang them.... but the form should be up to each individual nation not mandated by some UN proposal. As for fair trails when we see murders done in a fair manner we will know how to have a fair trail. As we often forget the victums of crimes and give more rights to criminals thus making more victums out of their actions of honest citizens who follow the laws of the land.