NationStates Jolt Archive

It seems that many people are no longer seeking to create new and original proposals, but simply want to repeal past resolutions. My thoughts are this, Is it possible that the manifestations of "freedoms" work like an economy, at first expanding and growing, until the freedoms show possibilities of abuses, and then depressing, shrinking and redefining, to create less vague law, and more specific circumstantial freedoms. And I can understand this, for things like changing the scientific freedoms laws, for the purposes of ethical re-structuring. But it seems that this has gotten carried away, from repealing everything from free-education to Slavery.

As well, I think we have all begun to realize that the more laws and requirements we enact that less power we have over managing our own personal Nation States. And this is something to think about, creating laws as well as repealing at the expence of national soveriegnties. I think this game only works well, when view this as a sudo-realistic situation and take this somewhat seriously.

Summary: think carefully and reasonably about what resolutions you wish to repeal.

You don't like making new laws. You don't like getting rid of them. How must we please you? :p

I am only pointing to possible reasons for the excess of repeals, and why would shold be mindful about what we repeal and enact for that matter. Tis' merely and observation...not a criticism...

I have noticed that there is a tendency for legislation that repeals citizens rights. This is a cause for concern. We rather liked being a rather irrational "civil rights lovefest". Unfortunately, now I am a rather idealized and practical demagoguic organization-- The New York Times Democracy which is a cause of concern to me. Our citizens value our rights highly. This change is not good. Although we have a small right wing in our country, we do not want fascism, or too many corporate police states to creep into the UN.

Have you noticed that the proposal currently up for vote isn't a repeal?

ITS A REPEAL OF ARE CIVAL RITES!!!!1 *froth*

It really is...The "Anti-Terrorism" act, isn't a "repeal" is a certain sense, but its there to basicaly more or less stop any anti-revolutionary groups in the world, and it is part of the same agenda as all the people repealing rights, part of this same bloc of Nation-states, who want us to repeal the basic rights in the interests of "religious freedom." I mean repeal abortion rights? Come on. If u don't like abortions, DON"T HAVE ONE! that's my reccomendation, but don't try to ruin for everyone else....

If you don't like the UN policies, don't join...

Sorry, but the more proposals i see in UN, its like insane...hell there's repeals for resolutions that haven't even been passed yet...If I had enough of a group of ppl who disagreed, I would just just start a region for the purposes of stopping this insanity...

It really is...The "Anti-Terrorism" act, isn't a "repeal" is a certain sense, but its there to basicaly more or less stop any anti-revolutionary groups in the world, and it is part of the same agenda as all the people repealing rights, part of this same bloc of Nation-states, who want us to repeal the basic rights in the interests of "religious freedom." I mean repeal abortion rights? Come on. If u don't like abortions, DON"T HAVE ONE! that's my reccomendation, but don't try to ruin for everyone else....

Good to know I've got an agenda. I feel cool now. :cool:

It really is...The "Anti-Terrorism" act, isn't a "repeal" is a certain sense, but its there to basicaly more or less stop any anti-revolutionary groups in the world, and it is part of the same agenda as all the people repealing rights, part of this same bloc of Nation-states, who want us to repeal the basic rights in the interests of "religious freedom." I mean repeal abortion rights? Come on. If u don't like abortions, DON"T HAVE ONE! that's my reccomendation, but don't try to ruin for everyone else....

If you don't like the UN policies, don't join...

Sorry, but the more proposals i see in UN, its like insane...hell there's repeals for resolutions that haven't even been passed yet...If I had enough of a group of ppl who disagreed, I would just just start a region for the purposes of stopping this insanity...

Please stop. I already gave out the irrelevance award, don't make me regret my enthusiasm. Abortion rights in a terrorism thread??? For the love of God, think of the confused children!

Please stop. I already gave out the irrelevance award, don't make me regret my enthusiasm. Abortion rights in a terrorism thread??? For the love of God, think of the confused children!

And then blow them up. :p

It seems that many people are no longer seeking to create new and original proposals, but simply want to repeal past resolutions. My thoughts are this, Is it possible that the manifestations of "freedoms" work like an economy, at first expanding and growing, until the freedoms show possibilities of abuses, and then depressing, shrinking and redefining, to create less vague law, and more specific circumstantial freedoms. And I can understand this, for things like changing the scientific freedoms laws, for the purposes of ethical re-structuring. But it seems that this has gotten carried away, from repealing everything from free-education to Slavery.

As well, I think we have all begun to realize that the more laws and requirements we enact that less power we have over managing our own personal Nation States. And this is something to think about, creating laws as well as repealing at the expence of national soveriegnties. I think this game only works well, when view this as a sudo-realistic situation and take this somewhat seriously.

Summary: think carefully and reasonably about what resolutions you wish to repeal.


As the one who's trying to repeal our current End Slavery and get a better one enacted, I can tell you that that law severely HAMPENS our government's ability to lead. I have pointed out many problems within that resolution but the two main ones are the fact that it says anyone with a job can quit after two weeks. Many military members are using that to try to justify putting in their two week notice after getting heavy amounts of useful, real-world training, training our government needs to give them in order to be ready.
What should our government do? Give cheap or no training and send them against well-trained armies? Or work to replace the resolution?

Also, the resolution as it currently is allows for a "Grandfather" clause of slavery. It says you cannot sell or purchase slaves, but what about those who already owned slaves? They are perfectly legal right now, under that law.

By defining and reclarifying old laws with vague answers, we can BETTER lead our nations by taking less time ourselves to define poorly-worded resolutions.

It really is...The "Anti-Terrorism" act, isn't a "repeal" is a certain sense, but its there to basicaly more or less stop any anti-revolutionary groups in the world, and it is part of the same agenda as all the people repealing rights, part of this same bloc of Nation-states, who want us to repeal the basic rights in the interests of "religious freedom." I mean repeal abortion rights? Come on. If u don't like abortions, DON"T HAVE ONE! that's my reccomendation, but don't try to ruin for everyone else....

If you don't like the UN policies, don't join...

Sorry, but the more proposals i see in UN, its like insane...hell there's repeals for resolutions that haven't even been passed yet...If I had enough of a group of ppl who disagreed, I would just just start a region for the purposes of stopping this insanity...

If you read my repeal, I only wish to repeal slavery because of it's poor wording. Many other resolutions to repeal are along these same lines.

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I think this game only works well, when view this as a sudo-realistic situation and take this somewhat seriously.
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Take it somewhat seriously?:eek: Not me Mate, NYUK NYUK NYUK!!!

Actually think of all the repeals as spring cleaning starting early. We repeal 'em so y'all can write new bad ones.:p

Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla

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Take it somewhat seriously?:eek: Not me Mate, NYUK NYUK NYUK!!!

Actually think of all the repeals as spring cleaning starting early. We repeal 'em so y'all can write new bad ones.:p

Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla

OOC: You're killin' me, my brother Mountaineer! :D

I can tell you that that law severely HAMPENS our government's ability to lead.

OOC: Perhaps you meant "hampers"?

Trust me, you aren't the first victem of the spell-check-doesn't-work-on-all-caps-unless-you-tell-it-to phenomenon ;)

It seems that many people are no longer seeking to create new and original proposals, but simply want to repeal past resolutions.

Summary: think carefully and reasonably about what resolutions you wish to repeal.

When I've looked, there are a large number of new ideas in the proposal queue too ... but the UN Delegates seem to like endorsing repeals a bit more. In most cases, the repeals I've seen since Oct. 2004, have targetted resolutions that could stand a few improvements. I'm not saying I'm in favour of repeals, but I don't see them as entirely bad.

My suggestion is for nations that dislike repeals to contribute to *DRAFT* proposal discussions. Even helping an author by editing a few words, might be what it takes to take an OK idea and make it a really good one.

OOC: You're killin' me, my brother Mountaineer! :D


OOC: Thank you, you've been a wonderful audience, the next show's at ten. Try the veal, and remember to tip your waitress.:D

OOC: Perhaps you meant "hampers"?

Trust me, you aren't the first victem of the spell-check-doesn't-work-on-all-caps-unless-you-tell-it-to phenomenon ;)

Hampers? Why would my government need MORE baskets to throw dirty clothes in? ;)

The main reason we seek to repeal old laws is because they hamper us from making better laws. That being said, it doesn't make sense for us to add new laws only to have them repealed sometime in the future.

This anti-terrorism law makes a lot of sense. However, it has a few small holes in it that need to be fixed before we should pass it.

Also, you ask why we aren't just going ahead and making new laws. The only reason we should start making new laws are if the current laws aren't working or don't cover something that need to be covered. If you think we need to as a UN move forward on something, make it happen. Don't just stand in the back saying, why aren't we doing anything?

We've got a lot of resolutions in the books right now that we KNOW need to go, so that is why we are repealing. However, when we repeal a poorly written law, as responsible delegates, we should make sure that we fill that hole with a resolution that is 'perfectly' worded if possible.

Yours,

The Ambassador of Taurains

"Change is the Crutch of the Weak."

Regardless of whether it's the same pro-sovereignty bloc in NS getting the repeal to quorum, if most Nations still thought that the law currently being repealed was in the best interest of their nation/s, they could still stop the repeal by voting against it.