NationStates Jolt Archive


1st Draft for Comment: Free General Health Care

Saorse
06-02-2006, 03:50
Any constructive comment is a useful comment. :)


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Free General Health Care
Proposed by The Federation of Saorse

EMPHASIZING the need for readily available general and emergency health care in terms of ambulatory service and out patients service for general ailments for all citizens

TAKING INTO ACCOUNT the cost that can be attributed in some nations to ambulatory service and out patients service in hospitals

BELIEVING that not all citizens should have to pay for emergency ambulatory service in their greatest time of need and out patients service for more minor health concerns

KEEPING IN MIND that more advanced forms of health care outside of ambulatory service and out patients service for general ailments are at higher costs and therefore, at a nation's discretion, may still have to be paid for by all citizens requiring such care

AUTHORIZES that emergency ambulatory service and out patients service for general ailments should be free of charge to all citizens

FURTHER REMINDS that costs for more advanced forms of health care outside of ambulatory service and out patients service for general ailments may, at a nation's discretion, be at the cost of all citizens requiring such care
Gruenberg
06-02-2006, 04:00
So long as you agree to pay for this for Gruenberg as well as Saorse - and for any other nations who have no desire to have a welfare state forced upon them - we'll happily approve.
Cluichstan
06-02-2006, 13:25
So long as you agree to pay for this for Gruenberg as well as Saorse - and for any other nations who have no desire to have a welfare state forced upon them - we'll happily approve.

Indeed, we'll gladly accept sizable donations from Saorse.
Saorse
06-02-2006, 14:52
Saorse feels that the amount of money that would already be produced in nations through more advanced types of health care, such as costly surgeries, certain scans, and extended intensive care would still offset the money that may be lost to ambulance and out patients bills to make better health easier to obtain for all nations' citizens.
Gruenberg
06-02-2006, 15:08
Saorse feels that the amount of money that would already be produced in nations through more advanced types of health care, such as costly surgeries, certain scans, and extended intensive care would still offset the money that may be lost to ambulance and out patients bills to make better health easier to obtain for all nations' citizens.
Good. Because you're paying for it.
Groot Gouda
06-02-2006, 16:31
AUTHORIZES that emergency ambulatory service and out patients service for general ailments should be free of charge to all citizens

I like the idealism from this resolution, but I'm afraid it won't work. There should be a barrier to healthcare so people won't use it too easily. For example, going to hospital with a minor cut that's already dried up by the time they arrive. And that's a very real example. I think it would be better to make sure everybody can afford healthcare than to simply make it free. That would be a massively expensive operation, from which the rich profit too (and they can easily afford healthcare).
Optischer
06-02-2006, 21:03
Why not just give everyone a card, which'll explain what level of importance the injury they've got is, and what action to take. That way people will always hve the advice of a doctor in their pockets.
Southeast Antarctica
06-02-2006, 21:12
how about limit it to the first day of emergency care and that anything after that needs to be paid for?

you can just come up with a list of serious injuries and limit it to emergencies only. I don't want somebody to have a bleeding nose, call 911, and get his medical care paid for by the country.

Trust me when I say I want to stick with emergencies. I lived in Canada and the hospital(Hopital Mont-Royal) there was so inefficient.:(
Cluichstan
06-02-2006, 21:36
http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/sofluffy7tp.jpg
Optischer
06-02-2006, 21:55
Or instead you could brainwash the masses to teach them what is and is no emergency material. Hypnotisation works just as good.
Commonalitarianism
07-02-2006, 02:59
Free health care is great for your own citizens. But this allows anybody who needs ambulatory healthcare service. Sick people may immigrate in droves and flood your emergency rooms. Don't laugh it is happening in many places. You would have to put in place safeguards so only your own citizens could use the emergency room. It would be a mess.

Also people could use this as a way to get free medicine if they were poor. Go to the hospital emergency room for anything it is free.

Putting in a basic public health initiative would be better. Clean drinking water, basic cleanliness training, basic sanitation, basic nutrition. It would save more lives initially.
Ceorana
07-02-2006, 03:03
Free health care is great for your own citizens. But this allows anybody who needs ambulatory healthcare service. Sick people may immigrate in droves and flood your emergency rooms. Don't laugh it is happening in many places.
Yes, but under this resolution, their home nation will also have that care.

Of course, I suppose that suggestion would be useful to account for non-UN nations.