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Banning Barbaric and Inhumane Capital Punishment
A resolution to end all barbaric inhumane practices of capital punishment

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: The Federation of Saorse

Description: The United Nations:

RECOGNIZING that there are many forms of barbaric and inhumane capital punishment

FURTHER RECOGNIZING that these forms of barbaric and inhumane capital punishment deny the person being executed human rights

DEFINING barbaric and inhumane forms of capital punishment as any type of capital punishment that is not lethal injection

ALARMED BY the possibility of using barbaric and inhumane capital punishment:

1. SUPPORTS beliefs that barbaric and inhumane capital punishment is a violation of human rights

2. CONDEMNS the use of barbaric and inhumane capital punishment in all member nations

3. MANDATES that all nations have the responsibility to ensure that barbaric and inhumane capital punishment is not used in their nation

DEFINING barbaric and inhumane forms of capital punishment as any type of capital punishment that is not lethal injection
Why don't you just call it "Mandating Lethal Injection" then? This clause needs to be changed: it is micromanagement, some nations don't use lethal injection, and there are other perfectly humane methods of capital punishment. I like the idea, but you are limiting things too much.

Well, the thing is I'm not wanting to mandate humane capital punishment so much as I am wanting to mandate not using inhumane capital punishment. I was unsure how to define humane methods, and I figured that the lethal injection is definitely our most humane method to date, so we should keep it to just that one method, if capital punishment were to be instituted at all. A death is a death in the end, and lethal injection just appears to be the most humane way if need be!

I would be open to having it amended later in in favour of adding more humane methods of capital punishment, if that was approved, as my main goal is simply to outlaw the most barbaric means, and this is how I am helping to define what constitutes as barbaric. What sorts of methods did you have in mind? The most humane one I discovered was via lethal injection.

I was unsure how to define humane methods, and I figured that the lethal injection is definitely our most humane method to date, so we should keep it to just that one method, if capital punishment were to be instituted at all.

Debatable. There are methods using poisonous gas that doesn't involve those pesky, inhumane needles. :D

I think a more apropriate definition of "inhumane means" is something like:

DEFINING barbaric and inhumane forms of capital punishment as any type of capital punishment that induces unneccessary and/or prolonged pain to the subject receiving the punishment,

We think: if you consider $method barbaric, don't use. Let us kill our citizens as we want.

Those darned needles! :p

The only problem I had when I did a little check-up on using poisonous gas is that there were recorded instances of it not killing subjects right away, and eye witness accounts of people being executed by poisonous gas suffering severe pain, curling of their veins, discolouration of their eyes, and many instances like these, and the gas even sometimes leaked out to the spectators. The lethal injection was much more incident free, as it had only one incident that I could find where three injections were needed, and the bulk of the extra pain he suffered was actually simply from the poking of the needles themselves.

It is debatable, as is everything! Makes our world great. :D

We think: if you consider $method barbaric, don't use. Let us kill our citizens as we want.

This is the exact reasoning as to why we want to pass such a resolution: to kill citizens (criminals is a better selection of word given my own context) barbarically goes against current UN resolutions that are passed, so this is to ensure that instances like these are banned as well, in addition to the current Universal Bill of Rights the UN has passed. :)

I would like to thank the UN delegates that have offered their support so far, and I hope to see even more. This thread is open for all discussion, for or against! :)

Er...

Isn't this covered by END BARBARIC PUNISHMENT or whatever it's called?

Nope; good eye though! That's in the process in a trial and leading up to it. This relates directly to capital punishment. :)

OOC: Isn't there currently a fuss being raised in the USA about claims that the lethal injection method used there is actually painful & therefore inhumane?
There are definitely quicker & more humane methods, such as hanging [using the proper "hangman's knot", which kills just about instantaneously instead of leaving the executee to suffocate slowly] or the guillotine...

Past-tech nations may not be able to use lethal injections.
Future-tech nations might have even "better" methods.
Some nations' populations include sapient robots, for whom lethal injections [presumably] just wouldn't work...

I have to date only been able to find claims that lethal injection is the most humane method to date. Again, should it be discovered later on that another method, hanging for instance, is more humane, or for more advanced civilizations, more effective, then laws and resolutions are always open to be evolved and improved upon. :)

I have to date only been able to find claims that lethal injection is the most humane method to date. Again, should it be discovered later on that another method, hanging for instance, is more humane, or for more advanced civilizations, more effective, then laws and resolutions are always open to be evolved and improved upon.
No, they're not. Resolutions are pretty much iron-shod. They can't be amended without a direct repeal. Which is why getting your facts straight before submitting proposals is advised.

Either way, I am still confident in my proposal that lethal injection is the most humane form of lethal injection to date, and that its proceedings should be affordable for nations who want to adopt the death penalty. If it were passed and someone wanted to repeal it and then adapt it to fit more humane methods, I'm sure they could try to do this!

Either way, I am still confident in my proposal that lethal injection is the most humane form of lethal injection to date, and that its proceedings should be affordable for nations who want to adopt the death penalty. If it were passed and someone wanted to repeal it and then adapt it to fit more humane methods, I'm sure they could try to do this!
So why submit it? Get it right first, then submit it and it saves us time, energy, and repeals.

I express again that I am fully confident in my proposal. If others want to repeal it to fit what they think is best as times goes on, then it's a free UN. I'm simply stating that for now, lethal injection seems to be the most humane way. In a month's time, if it were passed, maybe we'd want that changed!

Now you're just being stubborn...without facts, you will just upset the community...That is what is being said you seem to ignore it. I would listen to them as this will not even get off the floor without revisions and facts to some extent...

I have been more than welcome to all, and I'm not sure if it was in this thread or the first one, I stated that I had looked into it, found many complaints about many other forms of barbaric punishment, such as problems with the electric chair and gas chambers, yet could only find one such complaint about the lethal injection, which led me to the conclusion for this resolution that it is indeed the most humane method. :)

OOC: It's my understanding that lethal injection is excruciating for the victim. I've seen it described (presumably not from experience...) as being like "being paralysed while acid is poured through your veins".

From more research I did to see about this, I discovered that the "founding father" of the lethal injection actually ensures no pain, and while the process is longer simply because of the setup required, if all goes to plan, the only pain one may feel is from inserting the catheders: the injection itself is said to cause no pain, and the feeling is actually described (presumably again not from experience) as feeling drowsy, aware that they are becoming tired, and then they become unconscious. Sometimes, when a proper vein cannot be found, a small incision is made, although this is done pain-free of the executee, and those watching it are not even aware that it has occurred.

I have yet to find a description as horrible as that one, although I would imagine if it went wrong, it could happen very easily, just as any execution stands the risk of going astray!

OOC: Hmm, well... maybe. Thing is, I/Ecopoeia would support action to reduce the barbarity of the death penalty as far as possible, but if a resolution mandating or even preferring the method of lethal injection does so at the exclusion of potentially 'better' alternatives, then I can't offer my/Ecopoeia's support.

Erm... Is today really bad for me or something?

I am struggling to find something agreeable with my iews and then I spot this.

I'm not going to support it. In fact, I'm going to use Barbaric Capital Punishment on my prisoners straight away. They should suffer for what they've done. As the bible says, An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

DEFINING barbaric and inhumane forms of capital punishment as any type of capital punishment that is not lethal injection

I should point out that there are many people who still have a morbid fear of needles. Clearly needles are barbaric and inhumane! Next you will want to have classical music and panormaic displays of wildlife along with the lethal injection.

I like the idea but just wanted a broader act.

talking about lethal injection, why do you ned to sterilize the needle? It's not like you're ging to stab the wrong person. The're lethal, so you could save money. Anyway, repeal all opposition to cruel and unusual punishment. It stands between optischer and progress.

talking about lethal injection, why do you ned to sterilize the needle? It's not like you're ging to stab the wrong person. The're lethal, so you could save money. Anyway, repeal all opposition to cruel and unusual punishment. It stands between optischer and progress.

No, lack of a brain does.

If I did not have a brain I wouldn't be alive. If I did not have a brain, I wouldn't have an opinion. If I didn't have a brain, I'd be like you.

Oh, you are back. I wonder if you will do something strange and get banned again. (Not hope, just wonder if. Hope would be nasty.)

Oh, you are back. I wonder if you will do something strange and get banned again. (Not hope, just wonder if. Hope would be nasty.)

I'm hoping.

I'm planning on not getting banned, but I'm feeling I have an idea of why I was. And thank you for you're rather nice comment. It's nice to know some states have manners.

I'm hoping.
:mad: How nice of you Cluichstan. I thought you were decent, with manners. And I'm going to make sure I find out exactly why and who requested I be banned. I'm not going to take action, and I'm not threatening anyone. I just want to find out the true reason why I was banned.

:mad: How nice of you Cluichstan. I thought you were decent, with manners. And I'm going to make sure I find out exactly why and who requested I be banned. I'm not going to take action, and I'm not threatening anyone. I just want to find out the true reason why I was banned.

Okay, fine, I'll be nice and make a helpful suggestion: try posting that question in the Moderation forum.

Thanks for being nice. Wasn't that hard was it. I got an official reason for banning. I'm not sure that's why though.

Thanks for being nice. Wasn't that hard was it. I got an official reason for banning. I'm not sure that's why though.

Oh? Please, do tell...

I'd tell gladly without the fear of the spanish inquisition breathing down my neck. I might tell you in other ways though.

I'd tell gladly without the fear of the spanish inquisition breathing down my neck. I might tell you in other ways though.

Whoops! Too late, it seems!

http://www.qrz.com/uploads/post-7-71517-Monty_Python_Spanish_Inquisition.jpg

Very funny. Although, that was before my time, I remember that most famous time. Half of england hearing "OH ------!" Ah, good times watching decent tv. 011011010111100100100000 %52%65%61%73%6F%6E%00 111163 01001001 %74%68%69%6E%6B%00 146141166157165162151164151163155.

Ah, everyone impatiently awaits the spanish inquisition.

OOC: Did anyone watch the documentary about it on UKTV History? I found it pretty eye opening to the corruption of the vatican. Not that we didn't know it was corrupt.

IC: Againoppose this decision which like most infringes upon national sovereignity. Who is the UN to decide who get's to kill and who doesn't?