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It occurred to me that meteorology is a field in which international cooperation can really make a difference, without violating national sovereignity, and that I don't recall seeing any previous resolutions on the matter: Here's my first draft for a proposal _

METEOROLOGICAL COOPERATION

Description: A proposal to improve international cooperation in the sharing of meteorological and climatological information.

Category: Free Trade
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: St Edmund

Argument: The United Nations,

NOTING that accurate forecasting of the weather and of changes in the climate can be very useful for the agriculture, fishing, tourism and transport industries, as well as for nations’ populations in general;

NOTING that weather patterns are unlikely to fit neatly within national borders, especially when types of weather with potentially serious effects are involved, and that climate changes can have world-wide effects;

NOTING that the more information is available the more accurately weather-forecasting models can be designed and used;

REALISING that nations may be reluctant to share information about their current and predicted weather when they are at war, because that information might be of use to their enemies;

ESTABLISHES the ‘UN Meteorological Agency’ [or ‘UNMA’] to collect information about weather, climate changes, and methods for forecasting these; to help develop better forecasting methods; and to disseminate this information to any cooperating UN member-nations whose governments request it;

STRONGLY URGES the governments of UN member-nations to cooperate with UNMA by supplying it with all of the relevant information that they possess;

STRONGLY URGES any governments of UN member-nations who choose to restrict the spread of relevant information during wartime to cooperate with UNMA by saving that information so that it can be sent to UNMA for research purposes after those hostilities have ended;

OFFERS the services of UNMA to any nations that are not members of the UN whose governments are willing to pay a negotiated contribution towards its expenses and to send it all relevant information that they possess, except for any such nations that are at war with any UN member-nations.

REQUIRES that any information which UNMA has supplied to national governments is only passed to subsequent users free of charge, rather than sold by those governments or by anybody else.

Sounds sensible; not too relevant but much better than Causality Records. I may pick on it later if I have the time.

Looks good on first glance. I can't see Ecopoeia withholding support should this come to vote.

Mathieu Vergniaud
Deputy Speaker to the UN

We believe this is an excellent proposal. It has our full support. It is always gratifying to see a proposal that has considerable potential for good and is clearly within the proper scope of interest of an international organization.

Patrick T. Olembe
Minister for Foreign Affairs

Pazu-Lenny Kasigi-Nero concurs with Patrick T. Olembe and Mathieu Vergniaud and will probably support this move.

That said, we would like to emphasize the problem of the UN budget, the UN had many agency now and we wonder where the money comes from, as the UN doesn’t tax anything and doesn’t get any revenues. Did the UN borrow it to finance these agencies?

After "International Meteorological Cooperation", LAE would prefer a solution to be agreed on for the UN budget before we will approve some more legislation creating UN agencies.

Yelda will support this.

Like it!

This resolution will have the support of Wyldtree & the Sea Of Madness. Well done.

I like it. I'll add some more constructive comments later; however, for now:

NOTING that accurate forecasting of the weather and of changes in the climate can be very useful for the agriculture, tourism and transport industries, as well as for nations’ populations in general;

This, I assume, is the justification for the category - Free Trade? (That's not a criticism or a rhetorical question - it's an actual question.)

This, I assume, is the justification for the category - Free Trade? (That's not a criticism or a rhetorical question - it's an actual question.)

Basically, yes, as there unfortunately isn't a 'Science' category...
(Is there?)

I've thought of a few potential loopholes that I'd like to close, but don't have time to do so now...

From reading this, it seems like a great proposal to unify the member nations of the United Nations while still involving those outside of the UN who should choose to become involved.

I will support it.

Basically, yes, as there unfortunately isn't a 'Science' category...
(Is there?)
No, there's not. It's a shame, because I think a 'science' category would lessen the burden of the Environmental category. I think it makes sense, then, to use Free Trade.

Looks pretty good to me.

Ladies and gentlemen,

As an archipelagic nation, we in Hou Mian are often very concerned about weather. We need as much warning as we can get before hurricanes and typhoons. Therefore we will fully support this measure.

I must ask, fellow UN members, whether anything similar has been created for seismological events? We have had tsunamis in our past, as I'm sure other nations have had. Beyond those, there are also, of course, earthquakes and volcanos, which can sometimes straddle national boundaries. Should we establish something for this as well?

I will gladly help in drafting any such proposal.

Fu Huangdi
Khaghan of Hou Mian

Well there is the Tsunami Warning System (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=89) and the Natural Disaster Act. (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=99) Would those resolutions cover it for you?

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I've just edited the draft slightly, to try & close a couple of potential loopholes, so that UNMA wouldn't be obliged to supply data to nations who refused to reciprocate (although of course there are still no minimum levels of meteorological research expected of the nations involved); & [ii] governments that have obtained data from UNMA can't undercut UNMA by selling it on to non-UN nations for less than UNMA would have charged them. [i]The changed & added bits are in italics.

I see no problem with this, it could save lives in the long run.

My only concern was about in war situations but am satisfied the resolution has noted it.

"REALISING that nations may be reluctant to share information about their current and predicted weather when they are at war, because that information might be of use to their enemies;"

Well there is the Tsunami Warning System (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=89) and the Natural Disaster Act. (http://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=99) Would those resolutions cover it for you?

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

*sheepish look*
Sorry, forgot about those resolutions. Yeah, I'm good.

Fu Huangdi

*sheepish look*
Sorry, forgot about those resolutions. Yeah, I'm good.

Fu Huangdi
Don't worry about it, with almost 120 resolutions passed it can be hard to remember them all.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Sounds sensible; not too relevant but much better than Causality Records. I may pick on it later if I have the time.

OOC: Actually the RL UN has a World Meteorological Organization (WMO) which on first reading serves a very similar purpose.

IC: My government supports this proposal and would be willing to provide additional grants to the UN organization so that it might pass that money along to poorer nations that wish to record historical meteorological data to provide to the UN.

OOC: Actually the RL UN has a World Meteorological Organization (WMO) which on first reading serves a very similar purpose.

IC: My government supports this proposal and would be willing to provide additional grants to the UN organization so that it might pass that money along to poorer nations that wish to record historical meteorological data to provide to the UN.

I wasn't clear. The "sounds sensible" part was a declaration of support. I would only pick on it for minor improvements.

I wasn't clear. The "sounds sensible" part was a declaration of support. I would only pick on it for minor improvements.

Cool! :)

Okay, as nobody's put forward any criticism, I'm thinking in terms of submitting it next Monday. The first attempt will have to be without a telegram campaign, because [for various reasons] I won't be able to get online on a computer that lets me open NS itself rather than (as is the case for this one, which I can use during my tea-breaks at work) just the forums, but it will be interesting to see how well it does like that...

Oh, one question for you: I'm wondering whether to change the name of the body that's to be created from 'UN Meteorological Agency' to 'International Meteorological Organisation', to reflect the fact that although it's run by the UN it offers its services to non-member nations as well, so which of those names do you prefer?

Might be a question of what the title field prefers: I'm not positive "International Meteorological Cooperation" fits. You might have to play around, to see what you can get in. I'd suggest, if it is too long, either going for 'Agency' or for 'World'.

Just drop the word "International." I had to do that to get the title for my anti-terrorism proposal to fit.

Pazu-Lenny Kasigi-Nero concurs with Patrick T. Olembe and Mathieu Vergniaud and will probably support this move.

That said, we would like to emphasize the problem of the UN budget, the UN had many agency now and we wonder where the money comes from, as the UN doesn’t tax anything and doesn’t get any revenues. Did the UN borrow it to finance these agencies?

After "International Meteorological Cooperation", LAE would prefer a solution to be agreed on for the UN budget before we will approve some more legislation creating UN agencies.


Doesn't it run on the profits from the Strangers' Bar? ;)

Might be a question of what the title field prefers: I'm not positive "International Meteorological Cooperation" fits. You might have to play around, to see what you can get in. I'd suggest, if it is too long, either going for 'Agency' or for 'World'.

H'mm, Mikitivity says that 'World Meteorological Organisation' is the name of an equivalent agency that's run by the RL UN: Do you think that using the RL name for the proposed version here in NL would be a good idea or a bad one?

And anyway, aren't there actually multiple worlds involved in the NS-UN?

Just drop the word "International." I had to do that to get the title for my anti-terrorism proposal to fit.

Thanks for the advice.

Thanks for the advice.

No problem. Besides, putting "International" in the title is a bit redundant. It's a UN proposal, so by definition, it's international. ;)

Doesn't it run on the profits from the Strangers' Bar? ;)

That and Blue Peter Bring and Buy sales.

That and Blue Peter Bring and Buy sales.
I heard that the management was selling training packages to raise money.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

There is a new draft resolution concerning funding.

I heard that the management was selling training packages to raise money.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative
Actually Mr. Flibble, we sell those training packages to cover our expenses which have gone up dramatically ever since the Gnomes discovered our paper clip supply.

William Smithers
Senior VP, UN Building Management

H'mm, Mikitivity says that 'World Meteorological Organisation' is the name of an equivalent agency that's run by the RL UN: Do you think that using the RL name for the proposed version here in NL would be a good idea or a bad one?

And anyway, aren't there actually multiple worlds involved in the NS-UN?
I would think of 'world' in terms of an idea, rather than a planet. The WMO isn't exactly contiguous to what you're proposing...but World Meteorological Organization is actually a pretty clear title. Your call, really.

As long as it's always raining somewhere else we're all for it. Are crayons allowed?

Okay, I've just submitted the following version of thsi proposal to see how well it does _

METEOROLOGICAL COOPERATION

Description: A proposal to improve international cooperation in the sharing of meteorological and climatological information.

Category: Free Trade
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: St Edmund

Argument: The United Nations,

NOTING that accurate forecasting of the weather and of changes in the climate can be very useful for the agriculture, fishing, tourism and transport industries, as well as for nations’ populations in general;

NOTING that weather patterns are unlikely to fit neatly within national borders, especially when types of weather with potentially serious effects are involved, and that climate changes can have world-wide effects;

NOTING that the more information is available the more accurately weather-forecasting models can be designed and used;

REALISING that nations may be reluctant to share information about their current and predicted weather when they are at war, because that information might be of use to their enemies;

ESTABLISHES the ‘International Meteorological Organisation’ [or ‘IMO’] to collect information about weather, climate changes, and methods for forecasting these; to help develop better forecasting methods; and to disseminate this information to any cooperating UN member-nations whose governments request it;

STRONGLY URGES the governments of UN member-nations to cooperate with the IMO by supplying it with all of the relevant information that they possess;

STRONGLY URGES any governments of UN member-nations who choose to restrict the spread of relevant information during wartime to cooperate with the IMO by saving that information so that it can be sent to the IMO for research purposes after those hostilities have ended;

OFFERS the services of the IMO to any nations that are not members of the UN whose governments are willing to pay a negotiated contribution towards its expenses and to send it all relevant information that they possess, except for any such nations that are at war with any UN member-nations.

REQUIRES that any information that the IMO has supplied to national governments is only passed to subsequent users free of charge, rather than sold by those governments or by anybody else.


Unfortunately I can't spend long enough online for a TG campaign, but I am asking any of you here who are regional delegates to endorse this proposal and any of you who aren't delegates to ask your delegates to do so. (If there's more than one of you from any particular region then maybe, to avoid any possible accusations of spamming, you'd better coordinate things through this thread so that no delegate egst asked more than once). I'll handle asking 'Aramek', who's the delegate for the 'Conservative Paradise' region...

If this doesn't make it through this time, I might have time to organise a TG campaign of sorts. I think this is a good proposal, and would like to see it pass. Would you be interested in some TG help?

If this doesn't make it through this time, I might have time to organise a TG campaign of sorts. I think this is a good proposal, and would like to see it pass. Would you be interested in some TG help?

Yes please.


Only 26 approvals so far...

I have to log-off of the computer now, and won't be able to check again before the proposal runs out of time: 48 approvals so far, so only a bit over a third of the way to quorum: Worth trying again, I think...

My thanks to _ Richard2008, Bunglord, Jey, Hou Mian, Flibbleites, Yeldan UN Mission, Kleinekatzen, Alexandrian Ptolemais, Elghinn, Gaiah, Republic of Freedonia, Manussa, Mandlandia, Greenpeoples, Novo Sibirsk, Faerie-Sprite, Love and esterel, Fredonistan, Stroma Nova, Garlandistan, Westenwales, Baudrillard, New Hamilton, ELDupree, Egalitarians, Triple R, Pope John Paul III, Phernblattistan, Manflemingdon, Aramek, Heazyuus, James_xenoland, Davane, Trinidad n Tobago, Valori, Benfinan, RodSilvaland, Medicalis, Delhar, MarkDiamantia, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, The County of Worksop, Octavie, Elastigirl, Deadcross, Palentine UN Office, The Three-Toed Sloth, Haapalinna.

The people of Karlania will also support this bill.

The Citizens Assembly of the Commonalitarianism supports this bill.

I'm surprised that this resolution still doesn't mention the Tsunami Warning System and the Natural Disaster Act, two resolutions which have set up agencies which already work together with meteorological offices throughout the UN.

I'm surprised that this resolution still doesn't mention the Tsunami Warning System and the Natural Disaster Act, two resolutions which have set up agencies which already work together with meteorological offices throughout the UN.

H'mm. That's a reasonable point. I might add a clause about IMO cooperating with other relevant UN agencies, but I'd want to avoid a potential HoC problem...

H'mm. That's a reasonable point. I might add a clause about IMO cooperating with other relevant UN agencies, but I'd want to avoid a potential HoC problem...
It's only a HoC violation if your resolution depends on the earlier resolution to function. You could mention Tsunami Warning System and the Natural Disaster Act (start the clause with RECOGNIZING, HONORING, APPLAUDING, etc.) and then talk about "cooperating with other relevant UN agencies". Just make sure to word it so that your resolution can still stand on it's own should those be repealed.

Exactly. It shouldn't depend on those resolutions, but the least it could do is recognize their existence and cooperate with them as long as they exist.

After having a look at this resolution I beleive that there is a way to allow sharing of Meteorological data between UN Agencya with out actusally requireing the agencies to exist.

RECOGNISING the potential Benefits of making Meteorological data collected by the IMO available to other UN agencies or comittees. Agencies or committee's that might make use of this data include agencies dealing with tsunami's or weather-based natural disasters.

We beleive this achieves the objective of allowing other UN agencies to use the data collated by the IMO without requireing any agencies to actually be in existance.

Your Sincerly, John McKay

This is small. This is tiny. This is microfuckingscopic. But...

IMO = In My Opinion

I just can't help associating it whenever I read the text. I don't think it'll matter, but maybe you could change it to a different TLA? IMA, for example, (agency).

This is small. This is tiny. This is microfuckingscopic. But...

IMO = In My Opinion

I just can't help associating it whenever I read the text. I don't think it'll matter, but maybe you could change it to a different TLA? IMA, for example, (agency).

I thought of that one. Then I thought of people potentially mis-reading or mis-hearing it [whether accidentally or deliberately] as "I'm a"... ;)

Okay, here’s a revised draft that takes account of the main suggestion that some people have made since I submitted the earlier one: The one added clause, & the altered bits, are in italics _


METEOROLOGICAL COOPERATION

Description: A proposal to improve international cooperation in the sharing of meteorological and climatological information.

Category: Free Trade
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: St Edmund

Argument: The United Nations,

NOTING that accurate forecasting of the weather and of changes in the climate can be very useful for the agriculture, fishing, tourism and transport industries, as well as for nations’ populations in general;

NOTING that weather patterns are unlikely to fit neatly within national borders, especially when types of weather with potentially serious effects are involved, and that climate changes can have world-wide effects;

NOTING that the more information is available the more accurately weather-forecasting models can be designed and used;

REALISING that nations may be reluctant to share information about their current and predicted weather when they are at war, because that information might be of use to their enemies;

ESTABLISHES the ‘International Meteorological Organisation’ [or ‘IMO’] to collect information about weather, climate changes, and methods for forecasting these; to help develop better forecasting methods; and to disseminate this information to any cooperating UN member-nations whose governments request it;

STRONGLY URGES the governments of UN member-nations to cooperate with the IMO by supplying it with all of the relevant information that they possess;

STRONGLY URGES any governments of UN member-nations who choose to restrict the spread of relevant information during wartime to cooperate with the IMO by saving that information so that it can be sent to the IMO for research purposes after those hostilities have ended;

INSTRUCTS the IMO to cooperate with any other UN agencies that might also have an interest in the subject, such as [for example] the Natural Disaster Assessment Organisation or the Tsunami Emergency Warning Centre, within any limits set by the resolutions which created those agencies;

OFFERS the services of the IMO to any nations that are not members of the UN, if their governments are willing to pay a negotiated contribution towards its expenses and to send it all relevant information that they possess, except for any such nations that are at war with any UN member-nations;

REQUIRES that any information that the IMO has supplied to national governments shall only be passed to any subsequent users free of charge, rather than sold either by those governments or by anybody else.


I plan to re-submit it on Monday morning, because I’ve got next week as a holiday from work which means that I’ll actually be able to spend some time (although probably no more than an hour or two per day, because of how the public-access computers in my local library are run) campaigning for it this time. Are there any volunteers to help with the campaign?

OOC: I'm no use for TG campaigns, but I wish you the very best. This deserves to pass.

I might be able to help. I'm TGing for my own proposal that day, but I guess I could do some.

I suggest spelling out NDAO and TEWC.

INSTRUCTS the IMO to give any relevant information to any other UN agencies that might also have an interest in the subject, such as [for example] the NDAO or the TEWC.

May I suggest:

INSTRUCTS the IMO to cooperate with any other UN agencies that might also have an interest in the subject, such as [for example] the Natural Disaster Assessment Organisation or the Tsunami Emergency Warning Centre.

I suggest spelling out NDAO and TEWC.

H'mm, I suppose that that might be a good idea in case some people (not you, obviously) might get confused otherwise... and that should still leave me within the maximum number of characters allowed... so "okay".

May I suggest:

INSTRUCTS the IMO to cooperate with any other UN agencies that might also have an interest in the subject, such as [for example] the Natural Disaster Assessment Organisation or the Tsunami Emergency Warning Centre.

I agree that that looks better, but to me the term cooperate implies a two-way relationship and the wording of the resolution creating TEWC doesn't actually seem to say anything about it cooperating with other UN agencies (although the resolution creating NDAO can be read as doing so) which to my mind makes using the word a bit problematic.

I might be able to help. I'm TGing for my own proposal that day, but I guess I could do some.

Thank you: I'll get in touch about this later...

I prefer cooperation over just giving information. The NDA talks about cooperation (Coordinate international cooperation on this field, in scientific research and in practical solutions,), and as the writer of it I can say that the intention has always been cooperation - I think nothing in the resolution prevents that.

I prefer cooperation over just giving information. The NDA talks about cooperation (Coordinate international cooperation on this field, in scientific research and in practical solutions,), and as the writer of it I can say that the intention has always been cooperation - I think nothing in the resolution prevents that.


The NDA does, I agree, but 'Tsunami Warning Systems' doesn't -- as far as I can see -- which means that if I suggest TEWC should cooperate with the IMO (and if any of the Mods feels like getting as pedantic as I sometimes do...) I might be seen as trying to amend that resolution & thus get my proposal deleted.
H'mm.
Draft amended, again.

I would be happy to help campaign for this resolution. On behalf of Wyldtree I supported this and thought it should've gone through the first time. This is a well thought out resolution.

On a personal note, sometimes it seems as though any resolution which doesn't cause some controversial stir, IE Abortion & Terrorism, doesn't get it's proper due. I hope the delegates of the UN can be shown that matters such as this should be important to everyone. I see only benefits from cooperation on this matter.

OOC: I'm off work next week too so I can do some good campaigning on this one.

Can we stop with the scientific info sharing resolutions please? I don't want to give my scientific knowledge to the rest of the universe. Figure it out for yourselves. Stop spending so much on military or whatever it is you are spending all your money on that doesn't allow you to spend some to keep your science going. Don't depend on the rest of the world to teach you about everything.

Can we stop with the scientific info sharing resolutions please? I don't want to give my scientific knowledge to the rest of the universe. Figure it out for yourselves. Stop spending so much on military or whatever it is you are spending all your money on that doesn't allow you to spend some to keep your science going. Don't depend on the rest of the world to teach you about everything.

Prepare for invasion. :p

Can we stop with the scientific info sharing resolutions please? I don't want to give my scientific knowledge to the rest of the universe. Figure it out for yourselves. Stop spending so much on military or whatever it is you are spending all your money on that doesn't allow you to spend some to keep your science going. Don't depend on the rest of the world to teach you about everything.
We regard our knowledge as a gift to the rest of humanity. It's a shame that you think differently, my faux leftist friend.

LC

I would be happy to help campaign for this resolution. On behalf of Wyldtree I supported this and thought it should've gone through the first time. This is a well thought out resolution.

On a personal note, sometimes it seems as though any resolution which doesn't cause some controversial stir, IE Abortion & Terrorism, doesn't get it's proper due. I hope the delegates of the UN can be shown that matters such as this should be important to everyone. I see only benefits from cooperation on this matter.

OOC: I'm off work next week too so I can do some good campaigning on this one.

Thank you. I'll be in touch by telegram later on today.

St Edmund, in the version you just submitted, you put 'members of the N', instead of 'members of the UN', in the penultimate clause.

St Edmund, in the version you just submitted, you put 'members of the N', instead of 'members of the UN', in the penultimate clause.

I noticed that just after submitting it. How that happened, when it definitely said 'UN' originally and that clause wasn't one of the ones modified, I don't know. I suppose I'll have to ask the Mods to remove it from the list, so that I can re-submit with the error corrected... :-(

Update: I had to go offline for a while, because of how the public-access computers here at the library are run, but have now posted a request for the Mods to delete the flawed version so that I can post a corrected one instead.

Okay, the flawed draft has just vanished from the list so I'll resubmit a corrected version now...

Only 59 approvals so far, and so -- although that's 11 more than the previous attempt managed to acquire, & there's still a day left -- reaching quorum seems unlikely. Not controversial enough, I suppose...
I didn't have the time for a major TG campaign, but did try a more limited one targeting some delegates whom I thought might have specific reasons for approving this proposal (such as ones who approved the previous attempt, or their successors; ones from "oceanic" regions, for whom weather forecasts seemed particularly useful; ones for "British" regions because of the British climate's unpredictability; ones who'd approved the 'Earth Science Satellites' proposal that's also on the current list, because of its related theme; & a few others, for one reason or another...): This has nettted me 4 more approvals for about 70 TGs, so far... What sort of response-ratio do larger-scale TG campaigns seem to manage?

OOC:
97 approvals so far, with another one promised for later on today. Quorum still looks unlikely, but I'm collecting those nations' names so that I can seek support from them [or from their replacements as delegates for the same regions] again next time around...
I've just tried targetting the delegates who'd approved Love and esterel's resolution, pointing out that L&e has already approved this one too, and that's what brought in several of the latest supporters (update: including all but one or two of the thirteen added since I originally posted this entry).

Can any of you tell me exactly what time of day it is when proposals that have failed to make quorum get deleted from the list? I'll have to log off at about 7.15pm GMT today, so I won't see the names of any delegates who approve it in between then & the deadline: If any of you feel like checking the list just before the proposal's dropped, and posting the names of any nations that have added their approvals after 'Jellydom' (which is the latest addition so far, as of 6.59pm: I may update this detail again even closer to logging-off time) here, then I'd be grateful.

The NDA does, I agree, but 'Tsunami Warning Systems' doesn't -- as far as I can see -- which means that if I suggest TEWC should cooperate with the IMO (and if any of the Mods feels like getting as pedantic as I sometimes do...) I might be seen as trying to amend that resolution & thus get my proposal deleted.
H'mm.
Draft amended, again.
As the sponsor of record of the Tsunami Warning System resolution, I have to point out that TWS resolution does call for voluntary sharing of information and analysis with other sources outside of any information that the TEWC collects directly. This can be gleaned from numbered clauses 2 through 6 of TWS. There is similar language in the NDA to a similar effect. Any mention of the TEWC and the voluntary collection of information in this proposal would, in my opinion reinforce rather than indirect amend TWS.

As the sponsor of record of the Tsunami Warning System resolution, I have to point out that TWS resolution does call for voluntary sharing of information and analysis with other sources outside of any information that the TEWC collects directly. This can be gleaned from numbered clauses 2 through 6 of TWS. There is similar language in the NDA to a similar effect. Any mention of the TEWC and the voluntary collection of information in this proposal would, in my opinion reinforce rather than indirect amend TWS.

I could see where TWS mentioned cooperation with nations, but not where it said anything about cooperation with other UN agencies, and felt it best to err on the side of caution.
The version of the proposal that I submitted this time around (and that nearly made quorum...) included a clause saying _

INSTRUCTS the IMO to cooperate with any other UN agencies that might also have an interest in the subject, such as [for example] the Natural Disaster Assessment Organisation or the Tsunami Emergency Warning Centre, within any limits set by the resolutions which created those agencies;

Can you accept that as adequate?

So, can anybody tell me how close to quorum the proposal finally got? It was 31 approvals short when I had to log out yesterday evening, and Kenny sent a TG later on saying that it was only 18 approvals short by then, but did it get any closer?

The approvals that I know it got were from _
Richard2008, Wyldtree, Gaiah, The Weebl, Fredonistan, Flibbleites, Yeldan UN Mission, Kalibara, Novo Sibirsk, Jey, Love and esterel, Palentine UN Office, Marxist Rhetoric, Xarvinia--Wurtemburg, Hou Mian, Valori, Desert Storm Iraq, Peace and Relaxation, Scotts and Lyon, James_xenoland, Kleinekatzen, Alexandrian Ptolemais, The Wandering Nomads 2, Afzengard, Benfinan, Fedelopia, Flamebaittrolls, Elengwaith, Outer Cuffeovia, Aramek, Haugestan, TezC, Biotopia, Randomplaceland, Omni-Palonie, Zutroy Atlanticus Prime, Ronrovia, Concordare, Nukingtons, Of Cascadia, Open sourcerer, The Beltway, Caer Rialis, Afinogenov, Mouldivia, Yissing Scalies, Oiseaux Rochers, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, Bronzeland, Delibird, Marry Jane, Davane, Agramerland, Tarmsden, Malihople, Baron Murat, Garontaton, Chelucia, Westenwales, Ashohir, Montana Rojo, Greater Roanoke, Trinidad n Tobago, Calabran, New Hamilton, Korinekia, The Maddox Clan, Petisolandia, Tau Ceta, Gunfreak, Allied Alien Planets, Worldia555, Papertrays Returns, Isle Of Hags, The EGI, Aaronakia, Barca mi vala, Fernetti, Isis Rakael, Picman165, Ville Marie, Greater Tirana, Severidom, Trajasistan, Frestonia, Lotsa Touchie, Bowlation, Northern-Chittowa, Priggdom, Neo Ozia, Nos Feratu, Merapi, Gateborg, HP Obsessors, Of Stoner Goners, and Jellydom...

Can any of you add any more names to that list, so that I know who it should be worthwhile to contact next time around?

I approved it, and the last I saw, it was 4 short :(

I approved it, and the last I saw, it was 4 short :(

Thank you.
Only 4 short, h'mm. I really should have started telegramming earlier, but I just didn't have the time or the energy...

Thank you.
Only 4 short, h'mm. I really should have started telegramming earlier, but I just didn't have the time or the energy...
OOC: I know the feeling... this is well worth another shot when you're ready.

Well when you decide to resubmit it, telegram me, and I would be happy to help with the TG campaign for this. I'm sure 4 more approvals can be found.

Can you accept that as adequate?

I have no problem with it. As I said in my earlier post, I view it as re-inforcing TWS rather than as an amendment of it. It's the same approach Groot Gouda and I essentially worked out in connection with the NDA.

As to approvals for the next submission, approach Antrium, who is now the elected Delegate from the Internaional Democratic Union. I would have entered an approval before I left that Delegacy, but my elected term had expired, and the IDU was in the midst of transition to the new Delegate.