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good morning or good evening fellow un members where ever part of the world you are from. me myself i am representing the great country of milford new jersey where everyone old and young believes in family values and hard work. that is why they elected me to high office because my people share the same common goal. if most of you go and take a peek at my countrys map you will see what our government stand for. but i know many countries have welfare laws enforced espechially the united states. but i did my home work on last night and i just finished it up on this morning and i was searching the un archives to see if anyone had already came up with a law or a resolution concearning this topic but i didnt see anything. but i know 70% of the people who is apart of this body are someone libreal 100% so i know its going to be alot of heat raised but i care less. ladies and gentelman i feel its time that we take welfare reform to countries that have people collecting billions of tax payers dollars from there government once or twice a month just for staying home and doing nonthing. and most of these people are able bodied. now if the country has a booming economy like mines then why should the un sponsor or have that countrys government support billions of dollars to people who are able. now mind you if someone dont have any skills well thats no excuse the un can support billions of dollars to the countrys poor by creating job training programs and day cares for the children if the mother wants to work or learn a trade. now i support that,
but its people who has been on welfare or government assistiance for ages and that is all they know is a free hand out. i mean these hard working tax payers shouldnt have to work 80 hours or 40 hours a week working 2 jobs and they have break there back around tax time just to pay taxes to there government when the government is taking the tax money and giving it to people who doing even beleive in work. fellow un members today is the day that we need to come up with ideas of letting these people know that its time to move from welfare to work., if they are not up in the age 65 or older then they can work. if they are not sick in the head or have a serous mental problem then they can work. i see nonthing wrong with learning a skill every day, but if they want to stay on welfare what they could do is work in a program in order to continute to receive cash benefits, but they have to work 80 hours a month. now this law will prohibit un wed monthers who have kids out of wed lock to apply for welfare. but if they want to apply what the mother would do is she would have to leave the father.
but i yeild back my time on this matter for now.

Ok, a few points

1) PLEASE use some capitalization. I can let go poorly constructed sentances, misspelt words, poor wordchoice, etc because there's enough ESL people on here. However, you need to put in some capitalization. Thank you

2) Welfare is not necessarily in existance in all nations, so you might want to take that into account when you draft your resolution.

3) I definately would encourage you not to defend it using those who work 80 hours a week. That's just asking to be broiled.

I can assure you that I will not support it, but I will be more than willing to debate any draft you put forward.

PARAGRAPH.

Please. Break it up for us a little.

Bear in mind, though, Gruenberg has no social welfare provisions at all; there are many other UN nations like us.

This sounds like a national issue to me. Ceorana wishes to reserve the right to give our citizens as much welfare as we please.

We'll read it once you get your shift, comma, and period keys fixed. Thanks.

Wel... fare...?

Is that like a Ren Faire? I like those, cause, you know, women in bodices kick ass.

- Dargan Zaraad
Office of Unofficial Official Statements
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

In regards to this proposal, Pastafaristan adopts the positions expressed here by Forgottenlands.

Welfare Reform 5 Year Term Limit

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good morning or good evening fellow un members where ever part of the world you are from. me myself i am representing the great country of milford new jersey where everyone old and young believes in family values and hard work. that is why they elected me to high office because my people share the same common goal. if most of you go and take a peek at my countrys map you will see what our government stand for. but i know many countries have welfare laws enforced espechially the united states. but i did my home work on last night and i just finished it up on this morning and i was searching the un archives to see if anyone had already came up with a law or a resolution concearning this topic but i didnt see anything. but i know 70% of the people who is apart of this body are someone libreal 100% so i know its going to be alot of heat raised but i care less. ladies and gentelman i feel its time that we take welfare reform to countries that have people collecting billions of tax payers dollars from there government once or twice a month just for staying home and doing nonthing. and most of these people are able bodied. now if the country has a booming economy like mines then why should the un sponsor or have that countrys government support billions of dollars to people who are able. now mind you if someone dont have any skills well thats no excuse the un can support billions of dollars to the countrys poor by creating job training programs and day cares for the children if the mother wants to work or learn a trade. now i support that,

I'd like to make a few points on behalf of the Republic of Compadria to the honourable delegate.

1). Firstly, though you might differ, a lot of the people who you seem to think are liberal are in fact either Libertarians, Social Democrats (like myself), Democratic Socialists and Communists. Liberal is a term used to describe groups who traditionally have focused on the preservation of individual liberty and of freedom of persons from undue interference. Thus, they tend to be somewhat on the left for social issues and somewhat to the right on economic ones, which doesn't fairly encompass the ideologies of all those who oppose your ideals.

2). Blaming poor people who've received a bad education for their own state is fairly awful, indeed rather crass. If you want to provide them with education then by all means go ahead, but limiting their welfare access isn't going to help. If you're worried about people making false claims, then get your records in order, which will probably be more effective. Furthermore, if your country goes into a long-term recession, after five years everyone gets kicked off welfare and has nothing apart from crime or other un-savoury activities to support themselves with. It seems that this would be the opposite of what you intend to achieve.

3). Please demarcate your sentences.

but its people who has been on welfare or government assistiance for ages and that is all they know is a free hand out. i mean these hard working tax payers shouldnt have to work 80 hours or 40 hours a week working 2 jobs and they have break there back around tax time just to pay taxes to there government when the government is taking the tax money and giving it to people who doing even beleive in work. fellow un members today is the day that we need to come up with ideas of letting these people know that its time to move from welfare to work., if they are not up in the age 65 or older then they can work. if they are not sick in the head or have a serous mental problem then they can work. i see nonthing wrong with learning a skill every day, but if they want to stay on welfare what they could do is work in a program in order to continute to receive cash benefits, but they have to work 80 hours a month. now this law will prohibit un wed monthers who have kids out of wed lock to apply for welfare. but if they want to apply what the mother would do is she would have to leave the father.
but i yeild back my time on this matter for now.[/QUOTE]

I can't even understand this bit properly, apart from using a rather unrealistic example as a case of typical employment in the nations of the U.N. (i.e. two 40 hour a week jobs).

And please, pretty please demarcate your sentences better.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

Wel... fare...?

Is that like a Ren Faire? I like those, cause, you know, women in bodices kick ass.

- Dargan Zaraad
Office of Unofficial Official Statements
The Federated Technocratic Oligarchy of the Most Glorious Hack

The people of Cluichstan concur, and if this proposal includes a requirement that women wear bodices, we will support it.

A resolution limiting the scope of social welfare is not only distasteful to the sensibilities of the people of the Federation of Questionable Industries but also appears to be patently outside the jurisdiction of reasonable NSUN action. Why does the NSUN care how the exorbitant tax-revenue of Questionable Industries (our citizens pay upward of 50% income tax) is spent and what does it gain by getting involved in individual states' budget planning?

As it is framed, the resolution that the Gentleman from Milford New Jersey has outlined would fall under what category of Proposals? If anything, it most resembles the inverse of a Social Justice Proposal ("A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare."). That it is so outside the scope of standard categorization is a clear indication that, while an individual state may well choose to impose limits on welfare, this Proposal has no place within the NSUN.

As a final note, Troi T. Tennier, official cartographer of the Federation of Questionable Industries has expressed some curiosity as to the location of this "United States" to which the Gentleman from Milford New Jersey has refered. It does not appear on any maps in our possession.


Maximillian Tweedpot
Acting NSUN Representative
Federation of Questionable Industries

As it is framed, the resolution that the Gentleman from Milford New Jersey has outlined would fall under what category of Proposals? If anything, it most resembles the inverse of a Social Justice Proposal ("A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare."). That it is so outside the scope of standard categorization is a clear indication that, while an individual state may well choose to impose limits on welfare, this Proposal has no place within the NSUN.

'Moral Decency', perhaps?

Didn't they eject you? Because your propasels really are just discriminating and (to use a right wing term made lefty) righty nonsense. No offence to you, my friend, but for one, please stop using "family values" as a tool push propasels. You realize the UN has God darned ALIENS, for Lord's sake! I mean, do you the Empire of Quaon's allies, the Bendacks, have the same moral values as humans, for God's sake?

Please, my friend, learn grammer, and start thinking carefully before you propose something that just doesn't make much sense.

Before you start tackling the issue of welfare, you may want to start with a more fundamental topic such as education. Your lack of proper grammar and punctation is a clear indication that the root of your welfare problem is squarely centered on the poor education your society receives. Once your citizens can read and write, they may be prepared for the workplace and have no need for welfare!

Try this thread for starters:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463099

cheerio!

The author doesn't seem to be coming back, I think we're done here.

Let's Try and Translate this:
Good morning or good evening fellow UN members, whatever part of the world you are in. I am representing the great country of Milford New Jersey where everyone old and young believes in family values and hard work. That is why they elected me to high office. Me and my people share the same common goal.

If you go and take a peek at my country's map you will see what our government stands for. I know many countries have welfare laws enforced especially the United States. I did my home work for last night and i just finished it up this morning. I was searching the UN archives to see if anyone had already come up with a law or a resolution concearning this topic, but i didn't see anything. I know 70% of the people who are a part of this body are somewhat liberal, so I know there is going to be alot of heat raised but I could care less.

Ladies and gentelman, I feel it's time that we take welfare reform away from countries that have people collecting billions of tax payers dollars from there government once or twice a month just for staying home and doing nonthing. Most of these people are able-bodied. Now if the country has a booming economy like mine, then why should the UN sponsor or have that country's government pay billions of dollars to people who are able-bodied? Now mind you, if someone doesn't have any skills that's no excuse for the UN supporting the spending of billions of dollars to the country's poor. They should help by creating job training programs and day care programs for the children if the mother wants to work or learn a trade. now I support that,but its people who has been on welfare or government assistiance for ages, should not be given a free hand out. I mean these hard working tax payers shouldn't have to work 80 hours or 40 hours a week working 2 jobs and then have to break their backs around tax time just to pay taxes to their government when the government is taking the tax money and giving it to people who don't even beleive in working.

Fellow UN members, today is the day that we need to come up with ideas to let these people know that it's time to move from welfare to work; if they are not up to the age 65 or older then they can work. If they are not sick in the head or have a serous mental problem than they can work. I see nothing wrong with learning a skill every day, but if they want to stay on welfare what they could do is work in a program in order to continute to receive cash benefits, but they have to work 80 hours a month. Now this law will not prohibit un-wed monthers who have kids out of wedlock to apply for welfare, but if they want to apply what the mother would do is she would have to leave the father.

I deleted the last sentence because it simply is not saveable.

See, now you can read it. You can also realize what a load of stupidity this is.

Hey, dude! It's a game! There is no US! There is no Britian! Oh, I've been wondering how a person still in school was elected an ambassador. So, c'mon, roleplay a little, and stop with these propasals that make no sense.

For fuck's sake, he's been deleted already. Can't we let this die, instead of trying to prove how 'above' him we are by picking at his grammar?