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i hearby bring up a new resolution to the un to prohibit countries and other nations for creating laws or allowing laws to be passed by promoting equal rights to gays and lesbians. i dont really think men are meant to be married to men. and women to be married to women. now believe or not im not trying to speak for other world leaders but i feel there maybe someone here today who feel the same way i do. im not trying to be judgemental. nor i hate to judge anyone. but right about now i just want to speak for my own nation. and i just wish someone needs to adress this issue. now i stand for some human rights but not all. when someone thinks its ok for the same sex to have sex and to get married and adopt a child in the same house hold. that person needs to seek help.

The words "puerile, bigoted nonsense" come to mind.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

now the name calling is not called for. i know this is 2006 and what not but who in there right mind would want to allow some gay person the right to marry there same sex. now im no racist. i love and respect everyone, now im just expressing my own opion. now can i do that with out be called a name.

The words "puerile, bigoted nonsense" come to mind.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

now the name calling is not called for. i know this is 2006 and what not but who in there right mind would want to allow some gay person the right to marry there same sex. now im no racist. i love and respect everyone, now im just expressing my own opion. now can i do that with out be called a name.

I applaud your delicious use of irony. You have made the case for homophobia, with the denial of all rights for homosexuals as your goal, whilst insisting that you love and respect everyone. I would call that irony in the most extreme sense of the word in fact.

And whilst I respect your right to express your opinion and do not normally engage in name-calling, I simply found your views sufficiently un-palatable to my sensibilities and those of my nation, that I expressed myself crudely. For what reason do you object to two people, adults and free citizens, being allowed to express their love for one another and take advantage of rights offered to all other law-abiding citizens. I find this befuddling, to be quite honest.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

if anything im not stopping anyone who love each other from marrying. if they are male and female thats cool. but there are people who have morals. there are people who have beliefs. and there needs to be a law to enforce such a ban to any nation of any part of the world who think gay men and women thinks its great to have kids and get married thats sick. and the un needs to stand up today to knock off any country or nation that permits laws that says its ok to marry a man and a man or a women and a man. what are people thinking. now if someone says its ok for a gay couple to marry then that person is sick in the head. now i stand for freedom and i support freedom. but freedom only goes but so far my friend.



I applaud your delicious use of irony. You have made the case for homophobia, with the denial of all rights for homosexuals as your goal, whilst insisting that you love and respect everyone. I would call that irony in the most extreme sense of the word in fact.

And whilst I respect your right to express your opinion and do not normally engage in name-calling, I simply found your views sufficiently un-palatable to my sensibilities and those of my nation, that I expressed myself crudely. For what reason do you object to two people, adults and free citizens, being allowed to express their love for one another and take advantage of rights offered to all other law-abiding citizens. I find this befuddling, to be quite honest.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

Bausch takes Otterby by the arm, and leads him away to the Strangers' Bar.

"So, how about that local sports team?"

It concerns me that the people of Milford New Jersey would elect or allow to be appointed such a manifestly incapable ambassador. I'm astonished that the individual in question stands before us and blithely trots out such contradictory and nonsensical justifcations for their position.

There are people in every country who perceive themselves to be a moral guardians, people with beliefs. Should the UN pander to every self-declared moral arbiter? I hope not, else Ecopoeia's Dorsa Brevian matriarchy are going to make our lives a living hell...

Mathieu Vergniaud
Deputy Speaker to the UN

OOC: yeah, I know, I should leave it...

i hearby bring up a new resolution to the un to prohibit countries and other nations for creating laws or allowing laws to be passed by promoting equal rights to gays and lesbians.
You have a resolution? Lets see it. I'm curious as to how it could possibly be legal.

oh yes i love that last message because it really is letting everyone know here who stands with me today that people like you and that other person where ever he or she is from that you both are supporters of gay and lesbians. now you say what caused my people to elect me well let me answer that for you. well milford believes in free speech witch im expressing today before you guys. and my country have very very solid strong beliefs that they follow that is why they chose me to be there leader. and if any leader feels that its ok for some gay man to marry his boy friend i will say it again the un needs to imeach or fire that world leader. wether he is a speaker or a president whatever his leadership role is. and i will condown anyone who trys to block this from going to the floor for a vote. because its been to long and to many years now that countries has been trying to get civil rights for dykes and faggots. and we need to make it hard for these people from getting anything out of live we the un need to tell them to learn morals and keep your personal feelings to yourself and not to expose them around other adults and children. and i feel sorry for the children who are being told its ok to be gay GIVE ME A BREAK.




It concerns me that the people of Milford New Jersey would elect or allow to be appointed such a manifestly incapable ambassador. I'm astonished that the individual in question stands before us and blithely trots out such contradictory and nonsensical justifcations for their position.

There are people in every country who perceive themselves to be a moral guardians, people with beliefs. Should the UN pander to every self-declared moral arbiter? I hope not, else Ecopoeia's Dorsa Brevian matriarchy are going to make our lives a living hell...

Mathieu Vergniaud
Deputy Speaker to the UN

OOC: yeah, I know, I should leave it...

The total justification you've produced boils down to "yuck...". That just isn't going to cut it. You may be surprised to note that the rest of the world has moved on. A significant majority of the UN, including this nation, is, as you put it, "sick in the head" and has voted over and over to secure freedom and equality, including the right to marry, for homosexuals in all UN countries (by the way, that means your nation too, because UN resolutions are absolute and binding).

now i stand for freedom and i support freedom. but freedom only goes but so far my friend.

As far as we're concerned, it goes as far as you like, until it starts hurting other people (unless, of course, they're into that kind of thing). Since I don't see relationships and marriages which happen to be between 2 people of the same sex hurting anyone else, as far as I'm concerned you have no case for violating their rights.

Your vacuous claims to be supporting freedom are laughable. Clearly, you're willing to abandon any kind of philosophical integrity as soon as an issue comes up where your gut tells you something different.

I challenge you to produce a coherent argument that doesn't involve notions like "that's just sick", an appeal to what is "natural" (if you want us all to live naturally, you shouldn't be here on the internet interacting socially with people on the other side of the world who you will most likely never see), or an appeal to your particular interpretation of a religion that many of us don't share.

because its been to long and to many years now that countries has been trying to get civil rights for dykes and faggots.
That's a bit much. Cool it.

--Scolo der Mod

The words "puerile, bigoted nonsense" come to mind.
because its been to long and to many years now that countries has been trying to get civil rights for dykes and faggots.
Actually, now the words "troll" and "flamebait" are coming to mind.

ok well said. since you want to take it there. i challenge you today. yes i challenge you to see what country and nation allows gay and lesbians laws. now i dont really recall the entire world allowing people to marry the same sex. i dont recall every nation or country allowing laws to be passed to gays and lesbians i dont reall every king or queen letting there people marry the same sex. i dont care what the un says or does. but if it does not apply to a ceartin leaders countrys you better beleive my friend that leader aint going to go for it. and if you can prove to me today and any other day that every country and nation allows gay and lesbians rights then i will shut up. but you cant. so you loose.


The total justification you've produced boils down to "yuck...". That just isn't going to cut it. You may be surprised to note that the rest of the world has moved on. A significant majority of the UN, including this nation, is, as you put it, "sick in the head" and has voted over and over to secure freedom and equality, including the right to marry, for homosexuals in all UN countries (by the way, that means your nation too, because UN resolutions are absolute and binding).



As far as we're concerned, it goes as far as you like, until it starts hurting other people (unless, of course, they're into that kind of thing). Since I don't see relationships and marriages which happen to be between 2 people of the same sex hurting anyone else, as far as I'm concerned you have no case for violating their rights.

Your vacuous claims to be supporting freedom are laughable. Clearly, you're willing to abandon any kind of philosophical integrity as soon as an issue comes up where your gut tells you something different.

I challenge you to produce a coherent argument that doesn't involve notions like "that's just sick", an appeal to what is "natural" (if you want us all to live naturally, you shouldn't be here on the internet interacting socially with people on the other side of the world who you will most likely never see), or an appeal to your particular interpretation of a religion that many of us don't share.

i hearby bring up a new resolution to the un to prohibit countries and other nations for creating laws or allowing laws to be passed by promoting equal rights to gays and lesbians. i dont really think men are meant to be married to men. and women to be married to women. now believe or not im not trying to speak for other world leaders but i feel there maybe someone here today who feel the same way i do. im not trying to be judgemental. nor i hate to judge anyone. but right about now i just want to speak for my own nation. and i just wish someone needs to adress this issue. now i stand for some human rights but not all. when someone thinks its ok for the same sex to have sex and to get married and adopt a child in the same house hold. that person needs to seek help.

You can't introduce a resolution that clashes with an earlier one until that earlier one has been repealed. There are currently something like four or five resolutions in force that guarantee equal rights to homosexuals, throughout all of the UN's members, no matter what any particular nation's government might think about the idea. This entire thread is therefore irrelevant.

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well said sir. i close out on this debate. but i just want to let these fag and dyke supporters know that if you and your people support laws that honor these people then you are not a true leader. if any leader loves for gays and lesbians to be around there children then you have a serious problem,. because thank god this is 2006 and not 1963 because it would be a whole diffrent story. to bad we cant bring back thoes good ol days huh., i would love that. i remember there were people fighting to get civil rights. huh.

You can't introduce a resolution that clashes with an earlier one until that earlier one has been repealed. There are currently something like four or five resolutions in force that guarantee equal rights to homosexuals, throughout all of the UN's members, no matter what any particular nation's government might think about the idea. This entire thread is therefore irrelevant.

everyone know here who stands with me today

Funny, I don't see anyone standing with you thus far in this thread. Face it, you might have a few allies, but there's no way you'll persuade the NSUN to turn against homosexuals, after we've passed so many resolutions protecting them (incidentally, you should read the game rules and the passed resolutions - before you could legally submit a resolution of the type you seem to be suggesting, you would need to repeal all of the previous ones that protect gays)

well milford believes in free speech witch im expressing today before you guys.

So do we. We support absolutely your right to express your bigoted and incoherent opinions.

and if any leader feels that its ok for some gay man to marry his boy friend i will say it again the un needs to imeach or fire that world leader.

Looks like we have a lot of work to do - that's a large majority of national leaders in the UN. Incidentally, what's your policy on leaders who actually are gay? _Myopia_ has had several prominent gay, lesbian and bisexual leaders in its history.

and i will condown anyone who trys to block this from going to the floor for a vote.

When you condone something, that means you let it go without protesting. Perhaps you meant "condemn" - but then, your condemnation is hardly going to stop anyone. I, for one, am proud to earn the disapproval of those who hold bigoted views.

dykes and faggots

Completely unwarranted offensive terminology. Please make an effort to maintain some kind of civility.

and we need to make it hard for these people from getting anything out of live

It's nice to see people in this world with such positive aims.

we the un need to tell them to learn morals

Whose morals? Mine? Yours?

and keep your personal feelings to yourself and not to expose them around other adults and children.

Can you produce any coherent reason why homosexual feelings should be subjected to this and heterosexual feelings shouldn't?

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ok well said. since you want to take it there. i challenge you today. yes i challenge you to see what country and nation allows gay and lesbians laws. now i dont really recall the entire world allowing people to marry the same sex. i dont recall every nation or country allowing laws to be passed to gays and lesbians i dont reall every king or queen letting there people marry the same sex. i dont care what the un says or does. but if it does not apply to a ceartin leaders countrys you better beleive my friend that leader aint going to go for it. and if you can prove to me today and any other day that every country and nation allows gay and lesbians rights then i will shut up. but you cant. so you loose.

True - the entire world doesn't allow gays and lesbians rights. But thankfully, every single UN nation, including yours, does, because UN law, passed by multiple majority votes, dictates that they must, and UN member nations cannot ignore UN laws.

freedom only goes but so far my friend.

This is quite possibly the only point that we would agree upon. People in general display a rather shocking lack of common sense and need the guiding hand that only extremely restrictive laws can provide.
However.
It is necessary to allow the people to do what they want so long as it does not interfere with the smooth workings of society. Which is why murderers, thieves, and poets are routinely rounded up and imprisoned in the Dominion. Or they were until the Artistic Freedom resolution.
If two men wish to fornicate to the point of exhaustion in their bedroom, that is their own business, so long as it does not cause disorder. They are not hurting other citizens, they are not exposing themselves to other citizens.
If anything, stripping them of their rights is more likely to cause disorder. You can take away elections and unions, but the moment you take away their pleasures, you've got a riot on your hands. And this is something the Ascetic Order will not abide.

Firstly, I would like to express my gratitude to my fellow Ambassadors and Delegates who have spoken out against the representative of Milford New Jersey's hateful and ignorant suggestions.

Secondly, I would like to ensure the representative of Milford New Jersey that the people of The Republic of Westenwales will have no part in allowing this proposal to come to vote as it must surely be illegal.

And finally, sir, your use of inappropriate language and blatantly baseless arguments lead me to believe you are acting merely to illicit a reaction from my fellow esteemed colleagues here. Not only do I find this offensive to my sense of decorum, but uninteresting.

On this note I would like to congratulate the representative of Milford New Jersey for inspiring both contempt and boredom from at least this particular individual simultaneously.

You still haven't told us WHY homosexuality is so bad, you've merely stated that anybody who thinks "fags" and "dykes" aren't criminals is sick in the head. Please tell us why you think this, so we can shoot you down more properly. And please, for the love of God, start using some capitalization and punctuation; your posts are giving me a headache.

well i aint giving up on the fight because its been to long now. and you people are still saying the the moajority of the countries supports gay rights. well thats a lie. you people are still saying the un sends laws out to countrys making them support gay rights. well i will say thats a lie. untill you can prove to me thats ture. right about now its all fiction. because aint no way in hell if you think a people is going to vote let alone support there leader to be gay. tell me what leader is married to the same sex,. please give me the name of that leader so i can study him or her and get online and find out about that leader and come in contact with the leaders government just to make sure. because all of what you are saying is in la la land. and i dont care who disagrees with me. if you dont like what i say then its cool. like most of you say you all love freedom of speech well so do i. and if you so called love freedom of speech them why dont you and the moderators let me say what the hell i want to say with out getting offended., now what am i dealing with here real people or fakes. who go back on there word.


Firstly, I would like to express my gratitude to my fellow Ambassadors and Delegates who have spoken out against the representative of Milford New Jersey's hateful and ignorant suggestions.

Secondly, I would like to ensure the representative of Milford New Jersey that the people of The Republic of Westenwales will have no part in allowing this proposal to come to vote as it must surely be illegal.

And finally, sir, your use of inappropriate language and blatantly baseless arguments lead me to believe you are acting merely to illicit a reaction from my fellow esteemed colleagues here. Not only do I find this offensive to my sense of decorum, but uninteresting.

On this note I would like to congratulate the representative of Milford New Jersey for inspiring both contempt and boredom from at least this this particular individual simultaneously.

Nice job with the double post there, e.e. cummings. :rolleyes:

well i aint giving up on the fight because its been to long now. and you people are still saying the the moajority of the countries supports gay rights. i will thats a lie. you people are still saying the un sends laws out to countrys making them support gay rights. well i will say thats a law. untill you can prove to me thats ture. right about now its all fiction.

Glad to oblige. The UN's history of reolutions can be found at http://www.nationstates.net/44516/page=UN_past_resolutions . Note that these resolutions all passed, indicating that a majority of the UN nations who voted supported them. Many of them have massive majorities in favour.

UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #7

Sexual Freedom
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Armstrongonia

Description: What goes on between two (or more) consenting adults in the privacy of their homes should not be the concern of the state unless it is neccesary to enquire about the afore mentioned activities for medical reasons (e.g. if the individuals wish to give blood etc.).

Votes For: 2,538
Votes Against: 318

Implemented: Thu Mar 13 2003

UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #12

Gay Rights
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Kundu

Description: WHEREAS it has been clearly witnessed there is an outspoken minority who wish to oppress gays.

We, the People's Republic of Kundu and the other peoples of the world wishing for the preservation of freedom and the respect of all hereby resolve that all member nations of the United Nations must pass laws protecting people from discrimination in all parts of life. We also resolve that gay marriages be protected and endorsed by law in the member nations.

Votes For: 12,705
Votes Against: 7,734

Implemented: Sat May 3 2003

UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #53

Universal Freedom of Choice
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Tactical Grace

Description: Aware that sometimes, all choices we face are an illusion, but nonetheless strongly believing that as humans, we are entitled to make them ourselves,

Reiterating that freedom of choice is a defining element of our very humanity and the inalienable right of all humanity,

Alarmed that there are those among us who seek to limit our ability to choose, including but not limited to political, educational and consumer choice,

Further alarmed that individuals can be influenced and their ability to decide limited through cultural conditioning,

Deeply disturbed that the practice of subliminal advertising appears to erode the fundamental human trait of free will,

Noting with concern that in the wider world, the populations of entire nations repeat non sequitors issued by the State and remain in profound ignorance of the world around them,

Recalling the Resolution "Universal Bill of Rights" and Articles 1, 2 and 3 in particular,

Approving of past Resolutions restricting personal freedoms in the interests of moral decency,

Stressing that humanity has an innate curiosity about the world, and welcoming all efforts to permit this curiosity to reach its full potential,

1) Urges all members of the United Nations to recognise that a populace granted the freedom to make choices in life is a happier, more content and more productive society;

2) Strongly encourages leaders to imagine how different the world could be, if from an early age, people were free to exercise genuine choice in what they read, watched and learnt;

3) Recognises that the most basic human characteristic is that of curiosity - the ability to wonder, ask questions, and seek answers, and affirms its belief that no State should limit its people's freedom to do this;

4) Expresses its conviction that individuals should not be judged by society for the decisions they make, provided these decisions meet the condition set in Clause 5a of this document;

5) Declares and enshrines in law the freedom of all people to make choices according to their own conscience, particularly with regard to their philosophy of life, social/cultural development and awareness of the world, without unreasonable interference from the State, subject to the following limitations:

a) The decisions taken do not directly inflict physical harm on the individual making them or physical or psychological harm on others; where this is the case, normal criminal law of the country in question applies,

b) The legal guardian of any minor or physically or mentally incapable individual, the latter as defined in the Resolution "Fair Treatment of Mentally-Ill", remains responsible to make informed choices and decisions on their behalf, in accordance with any applicable rights and health and safety legislation laid down by the State,

c) The right to choose with regard to services only extends to existing services, and does not mandate the creation of private health and education sectors in nations where provision of public services is a State monopoly, while the right of the State to later deregulate nationalised services, or choose not to do so, remains unaffected;

6) Declares a moratorium on the use of subliminal advertising pending independent internationally-coordinated research into its effects on the capacity of individuals and wider society to make rational decisions.

Votes For: 9,314
Votes Against: 8,213

Implemented: Fri Mar 26 2004

UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #80

Rights of Minorities and Women
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Amsterdam junior

Description: The UN should recognize that all people are created equal. The matter of race, sex, religion or sexual preference should not make anyone less equal. These are inalienable rights of all UN nation citizens.

ARTICLE I- No one race or culture is better than another.

ARTICLE II- Males and Females should be treated as equals. Whether it be in the workplace or at home.

ARTICLE III- Not a single religion or belief is better or more right than another.

ARTICLE IV- One should have the right to express their love for a member of the same sex.

Votes For: 12,055
Votes Against: 6,998

Implemented: Sat Nov 20 2004

UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #81

Definition of Marriage
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Vastiva

Description: Description: IN VIEW of the Universal Bill of Human Rights, and the Gay Rights resolution;

The UN HEREBY :

DEFINES marriage as the civil joining of a member of any nation with any other member of any nation, regardless of sex, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, color, or any other characteristic, with the exception of age;

RECOGNIZES age of the individual(s) as a just reason for not recognizing marriage, as per Article One of the Child Protection Act;

FURTHER RECOGNIZES all nation's right to expand this definition beyond species borders as the individual governments see fit.


Votes For: 11,904
Votes Against: 7,473

Implemented: Thu Nov 25 2004

UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #99

Discrimination Accord
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Belgrade-beograd

Description: The United Nations,

NOTING the precedent of international law towards greater human rights and equality for all,

RECALLING the sentiments of such documents as “Universal Bill of Rights”, “Definition of Marriage”, “Freedom and Equality”, and “Sexual Freedom” in the separation of governments from discriminatory practices and ideologies,

UPSET by the lack of previous legislation (at the time of this document’s composition) directly prohibiting governments from discriminatory practices,

CITING as a possible cause of such oversight the incorrect interpretation of the “Gay Rights” document, which in practice does virtually nothing to protect citizens’ rights:

RESOLVES upon protecting all persons and groups in member nations from discrimination by their respective member governments;

REQUIRES member governments to fairly and equally apply the following rights of citizens as they are upheld by international and national law:

1. The right to protection under law, especially protection from harassment and violence,

2. The right to participate in government,

3. The right to fair judicial proceedings and law enforcement application especially as guaranteed by international law,

4. Any social dividends paid out to or provided for persons or groups deemed by member national or international government to be in social need (unemployment benefits, health care, etc.), including, but not limited to, those social dividends secured by international law,

5. Any other rights granted citizens of a member government by requirement of international law;

COMMITS to fighting ignorance and prejudice, MANDATING member nations create or allow large-scale education programs of ethnic, racial, and cultural diversity;

ENCOURAGES all nations to work towards eliminating “hate crimes”, or violent, malicious crimes spurned on by a lack of tolerance of cultural, ethnic, racial, or other differences;

URGES regional awareness of cultural, racial, and cultural differences, given the often close ties of a nation’s diversity with its region’s diversity;

CLARIFIES the United Nation’s position by reiterating the following:

§ The UN condemns discrimination by governments, discrimination on the basis of differences in recognized religion, race, sex, sexual orientation, age, language, school of thought, or intelligence.

§ The UN disallows member governments from discriminating the previously described rights (protection under law, participation in government, etc.) based upon such differences.

§ The UN also recognizes the need, at times, for member governments to differentiate upon these difference during extreme security risks or other especial events or conditions, and allows for member governments to differentiate treatment to a reasonable degree (as can be justified by the risk), provided the treatment of all returns to an equal state once the risk or state of extreme condition has passed.

Votes For: 11,035
Votes Against: 6,347

Implemented: Thu Apr 14 2005

UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #115

Freedom of Conscience
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Ecopoeia

Description: We, the United Nations, recognise that freedom of conscience is a fundamental human right that transcends national borders and note with regret that the governments of some member states persecute and commit acts of violence against those who merely express beliefs or thoughts that are not state-approved.

Accordingly, we hereby:

1) DEFINE a ‘prisoner of conscience’ as a person who is detained or imprisoned, not for use of, nor encouragement to use, violence; not for openly supporting nor recommending hatred for racial, religious, sexual or similar reasons to provoke people to discriminate, or to be hostile or violent; but for their political, religious or other beliefs, or their ethnic origin, gender, sexuality, colour or similarly unjustifiable reasons; and accordingly

INSIST that all member states immediately and unconditionally release any prisoners of conscience they are currently detaining and

PROHIBIT member states from detaining prisoners of conscience in the future.

2) DEFINE a ‘disappearance’ as an instance when a person has been taken into custody by government authorities or by an armed political group, when this person’s whereabouts and wellbeing are kept secret without the full, informed, uncoerced consent of the individual in question; and accordingly

INSIST that any institution or group holding such an individual to reveal the whereabouts and condition of the ‘disappeared’ person.

3) CONDEMN extrajudicial executions by governments, killings caused by the unnecessary use of lethal force by law enforcement officials and killings of civilians in direct or indiscriminate attacks by governments or armed political groups.

Votes For: 9,892
Votes Against: 4,179

Implemented: Wed Aug 3 2005

UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #118

The Sex Education Act
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Love and esterel

Description: The United Nations,

DEEPLY DISTURBED that in many Nations:
-A- Sexual education is lacking
-B- Education about female sexuality is often unheard of and no mention is made of the clitoris, the statistically most erogenous zone for women, which is not directly correlated with reproduction
-C- Lack of quality sex education can lead, many times, to unplanned teen pregnancies and unnecessary abortion

OBSERVING that:
-D- Sex has two important functions: reproduction and pleasure
-E- Sexual activity is a common activity, contributing to the happiness of many people, worldwide

URGES:
-1- All Nations to organize and secure some sexual education courses for all, before the age of 18-years; and
-2- All Nations to include in these courses, information about male sexuality, female sexuality, opposite-sex relationships, same-sex relationships, masturbation, birth control methods, abortion right, AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases without any value judgment

Votes For: 10,048
Votes Against: 3,921

Implemented: Tue Aug 23 2005

UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #121

Adoption and IVF Rights
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Love and esterel

Description: The United Nations,

OBSERVING that
-A- Adoptions and births from IVF, in the same manner as natural births, contribute to the happiness of many adults and children, worldwide

REGRETTING that in some Nations:
-B- Same sex couples and non married couples are discriminated against, for they are not allowed to adopt children
-C- Couples cannot adopt children from a different nation, even if these couples respect the standards defined by the nation of which the child is resident
-D- Adoption is sometimes a front for the selling of a child for money

-E- IVF (In-Vitro fertilization) is forbidden

MANDATES all nations to allow:
-1- Same sex couples and non married couples to adopt children with the same standard that opposite-sex and married couples are held to.
Nations will be permitted to allow Biological Parents to indicate their preference of the adoptive parents' religion, marital status and/or sexual preference before signing their parental rights away. This shall only apply in the case, both the child was willingly given away by parents but not purposely abandoned

-2- Opposite-sex and same-sex couples, regardless of marital status, from other UN countries shall be allowed to adopt children if these couples meet the standards defined by the nation of which the child is initially residing in.
Nations will be permitted to give priority of adoption to a local couple over a non-local couple

URGES that in all nations:
-3- Only nationally accredited adoption organizations can conduct the adoption procedure; and
-4- Adoptive parents be forbidden to give money to this adoption organizations, to any person working in or related to this association, to the biological parents and to people related to the biological parents; adoptive parents are welcome to donate money to any adoption organizations that they did not use and are not attempting to use to adopt children

ENCOURAGES
-5- Scientific stem cell research in order that, in the future, sterile men and women can have gametes (spermatozoon and ovum) with their own genetic identity, these gametes being harvested from their own stem cells,

URGES:
-6- All UN Nations to allow IVF, whether the gametes concerned were naturally produced or produced in the way defined in paragraph [5]

Thanks to all Nations that helped edit and improve this proposal in the UN forum

Votes For: 7,926
Votes Against: 5,918

Implemented: Mon Sep 12 2005

because aint no way in hell if you think a people is going to vote let alone support there leader to be gay.

_Myopia_'s people have repeatedly elected gay leaders. Our current president does happen to be heterosexual, though.

i am going to end this and close out by saying. i dont care if i am a member of the uninted nations or not. let a law or a issue comes to milford that says i have to adopt a resolution to allow these freaks to marry. i will strike and kill that bill in a heart beat wether i am a member of the un or not. just let it. as long i am the leader of milford no gay person is getting any respect in my country,


Glad to oblige. The UN's history of reolutions can be found at http://www.nationstates.net/44516/page=UN_past_resolutions . Note that these resolutions all passed, indicating that a majority of the UN nations who voted supported them. Many of them have massive majorities in favour.





















_Myopia_'s people have repeatedly elected gay leaders. Our current president does happen to be heterosexual, though.

Look, I told you to read the FAQs. Please. Your ignorance pains me. Kindly read them, and you'll see that you DO have to comply with these resolutions.

:) i dont have to comply with anything now test me and see if im going to go by a law that says i have to follow or come in to agreement to permit a gay man or women to marry in my country. they going to have to impeach me or fire me in that case, that is the only way my government is going to show thoes gay people some respect is when im out of office,


The-Republic']Look, I told you to read the FAQs. Please. Your ignorance pains me. Kindly read them, and you'll see that you DO have to comply with these resolutions.

You didn't read them, did you?

Ill Read Them Later ;)

The-Republic']You didn't read them, did you?

Ill Read Them Later ;)

Hopefully, you'll be DEATed by then.

If this person's a troll, I really don't care if I'm feeding him entertainment, this will be my own entertainment taking his arguments to the cleaners

i hearby bring up a new resolution to the un to prohibit countries and other nations for creating laws or allowing laws to be passed by promoting equal rights to gays and lesbians.

Considering the dozen resolutions that deal with discrimination either in passing or as their main purpose, and considering that there are at least 2 that I can think of off the top of my head that specifically direct their attention at Gay Marriage, I think your proposal is about to die. BTW, why do I get the sense of Midland (was that the name) from yesterday came back?

Also, for future reference since this one is dead before it even began, it is considered to be polite to at the very least link your proposal or, even better, post it here.

i dont really think men are meant to be married to men. and women to be married to women. now believe or not im not trying to speak for other world leaders but i feel there maybe someone here today who feel the same way i do.

Congratulations, you have a belief, and you almost certainly are correct. Now, why are you trying to pass a resolution that tells the other world leaders that believe Gays should have equal rights that they must not give gays fair treatment. I'm not disagreeing with your approach (I do the same approach from the opposite position), but I'm curious as to what your logic is.

[QUOE]bit im not trying to be judgemental.[/QUOTE]

Nonono. They just deserve less rights even though they are just as worthy people as straight people

nor i hate to judge anyone. but right about now i just want to speak for my own nation. and i just wish someone needs to adress this issue.

The issue has been addressed by multiple resolutions and your team lost.

now i stand for some human rights but not all. when someone thinks its ok for the same sex to have sex and to get married and adopt a child in the same house hold. that person needs to seek help.

1984: Insanity is to be a majority of one.

Considering the vast majority of the UN believes that this is ok, is it possible that YOU are the one that might need to seek help?

now the name calling is not called for.

He didn't call you names. He called your ARGUMENTS "puerile, bigoted nonsense". He didn't say you were a bigoted bastard or anything. He said what you said was bigoted. Quite an important difference.

i know this is 2006 and what not but who in there right mind would want to allow some gay person the right to marry there same sex.

What's the problem with it? I see no issue.

now im no racist.

Alright, I'll agree with that statement. Thus far, you have yet to discriminate against anyone based upon what race they were. So?

i love and respect everyone,

Yet, you are not interested in granting rights to gays. Yes, you do indeed love everyone

now im just expressing my own opion. now can i do that with out be called a name.

You weren't called a name, and congratulations for saying your own opinion, but you made an argument and your argument is now available for criticism. Yes, if you make an argument, it will be criticized on this board. If you can't take the debate from it, why did you even come here in the first place?

if anything im not stopping anyone who love each other from marrying. if they are male and female thats cool.

No, you are stopping anyone, you just aren't stopping everyone. That's an important differance and I suggest you look up the definition differences when you get a chance.

but there are people who have morals. there are people who have beliefs. and there needs to be a law to enforce such a ban to any nation of any part of the world who think gay men and women thinks its great to have kids and get married thats sick.

I think it's sick that people carry walkmans around so they can listen to music. Should I ban people walking around with CD players? Just because I can't understand why anyone would want that doesn't mean that I shouldn't let them have it.

and the un needs to stand up today to knock off any country or nation that permits laws that says its ok to marry a man and a man or a women and a man.

How about the UN itself? It's done that several times

what are people thinking.

Love is more about marriage than whether a man and woman decide to marry.

now if someone says its ok for a gay couple to marry then that person is sick in the head.

Because all must think exactly as you do

now i stand for freedom and i support freedom.

I'd disagree

but freedom only goes but so far my friend.

Agreed, but I don't draw the line where you want to draw it

oh yes i love that last message because it really is letting everyone know here who stands with me today that people like you and that other person where ever he or she is from that you both are supporters of gay and lesbians. now you say what caused my people to elect me well let me answer that for you. well milford believes in free speech witch im expressing today before you guys.

And we're exercising our own right to free speech by criticizing your comments since it is the most ridiculous comments I've heard in a long time.

and my country have very very solid strong beliefs that they follow that is why they chose me to be there leader. and if any leader feels that its ok for some gay man to marry his boy friend i will say it again the un needs to imeach or fire that world leader.

The UN DOES NOT decide who runs individual countries, and the UN itself has passed laws forcing nations to allow gays to marry.

wether he is a speaker or a president whatever his leadership role is. and i will condown anyone who trys to block this from going to the floor for a vote.

Since it's illegal, that means you are condoning every single moderator. Oops

because its been to long and to many years now that countries has been trying to get civil rights for dykes and faggots.

Maybe because more and more people are realizing the old way of thinking was horrendously flawed

and we need to make it hard for these people from getting anything out of live we the un need to tell them to learn morals and keep your personal feelings to yourself and not to expose them around other adults and children.

Why? How are they hurting anyone

and i feel sorry for the children who are being told its ok to be gay GIVE ME A BREAK

Why? Do you have anything more substantial than "it's sick"? What makes you the high authority on morality? Where do your morals come from? What are they based upon? And most importantly, why do you expect me or any other member nation to follow your morals? Do you have any logical reasoning other than you think it's sick? (If NatSov fires a round at me for those statements, be warned, I have answers)

ok well said. since you want to take it there. i challenge you today. yes i challenge you to see what country and nation allows gay and lesbians laws. now i dont really recall the entire world allowing people to marry the same sex. i dont recall every nation or country allowing laws to be passed to gays and lesbians i dont reall every king or queen letting there people marry the same sex. i dont care what the un says or does. but if it does not apply to a ceartin leaders countrys you better beleive my friend that leader aint going to go for it. and if you can prove to me today and any other day that every country and nation allows gay and lesbians rights then i will shut up. but you cant. so you loose.

In this game? Every UN member is forced to accept it. Myopia already did the work on that, so I'll move on (we'll come back to it later)

In the real world. Belgium, Netherlands, Spain, SOUTH AFRICA (Jon Stewart: "Let me get this straight: South Africa is MORE progressive than the US"), and Canada to name the ones I know off the top of my head - and those are the nations that have made it ok to legally MARRY - it excludes those that have civil unions with the same effect (Britain, more than half of the American states)

well said sir. i close out on this debate. but i just want to let these fag and dyke supporters know that if you and your people support laws that honor these people then you are not a true leader.

Weren't you told to stop using those terms

Why?

if any leader loves for gays and lesbians to be around there children then you have a serious problem,. because thank god this is 2006 and not 1963 because it would be a whole diffrent story. to bad we cant bring back thoes good ol days huh., i would love that. i remember there were people fighting to get civil rights. huh.

Well guess what, gays are now fighting to get civil rights - and people like you keep bashing them back down. Again I ask, why?

well i aint giving up on the fight because its been to long now. and you people are still saying the the moajority of the countries supports gay rights. well thats a lie.

Actually, it's a fact. Considering that as recently as resolution 99, the last time such a resolution was permitted by moderators to reach quarom due to the rules of duplication, the UN voted overwhelmingly in favor of the resolutions. Dozens of repeal attempts for said resolutions have failed miserably at garnering the requested amount of support

you people are still saying the un sends laws out to countrys making them support gay rights. well i will say thats a lie. untill you can prove to me thats ture. right about now its all fiction. because aint no way in hell if you think a people is going to vote let alone support there leader to be gay.

Pfft, if I thought a person had good ideas, I couldn't give a shit if he was straight or not, nor would my gf, nor would my parents, brother, the vast majority of my friends (there's only two I'd be uncertain about), etc (well....my gf's parents probably wouldn't support a gay candidate, but oh well - can't please everyone)

tell me what leader is married to the same sex,. please give me the name of that leader so i can study him or her and get online and find out about that leader and come in contact with the leaders government just to make sure. because all of what you are saying is in la la land. and i dont care who disagrees with me. if you dont like what i say then its cool. like most of you say you all love freedom of speech well so do i. and if you so called love freedom of speech them why dont you and the moderators let me say what the hell i want to say with out getting offended.,

We're letting you say what you want to say - as are the moderators. However, this is a debate forum so you should expect people to debate against you and you have used offensive termonology which is not permitted. Additionally, this forum, being based in the UK and the game's creator being Aussie (or is it the other way around), does not, necessarily, have "freedom of speach" in the pure form. You can say just about anything, so long as it follows the rules. One of them is don't be offensive to others - and your rather rude slang terms violated that rule. A moderator popped in and didn't question this debate at all, just two words that you said. He's letting you continue to state your opinion, just as long as it isn't rude

However, we also have the same freedom to criticize your beliefs, so don't complain when we do.

now what am i dealing with here real people or fakes. who go back on there word.

I sure as heck hope I'm real

i am going to end this and close out by saying. i dont care if i am a member of the uninted nations or not. let a law or a issue comes to milford that says i have to adopt a resolution to allow these freaks to marry. i will strike and kill that bill in a heart beat wether i am a member of the un or not. just let it. as long i am the leader of milford no gay person is getting any respect in my country,

Well......it's a good thing that the UN Gnomes don't wait for you to allow them to change your laws before they change them. See that compliance ministry that charges through your region everytime a resolution is passed - that's the UN Gnomes, bringing you in compliance with the UN resolutions - with, or without, you wish to have them change your laws

i dont have to comply with anything now test me and see if im going to go by a law that says i have to follow or come in to agreement to permit a gay man or women to marry in my country. they going to have to impeach me or fire me in that case, that is the only way my government is going to show thoes gay people some respect is when im out of office,

Now we're going into godmodding territory - not, in itself necessarily illegal, but unwelcome and generally speaking a way to fast track yourself to being an ignored entity. You can't just make the rules up as they best suit you. We called that cheating when we were playing back on the playground. Now we call it godmodding

Jon Stewart: "Let me get this straight: South Africa is MORE progressive than the US"

OOC: Ah, good to see a comic genius finally getting some recognition on these forums.

So I'm a UN member. Now what?

The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest, like real nations do.)

We win; you lose. Your laws are being updated as we speak.

- UN Gnome in Charge of Backwater Hellholes
"You load sixteen tons and what do you get? / Another day older and deeper in debt"

It's sad to see that people like this still exist. They try and justify their opinions by saying it's not natural and it's not moral, but that's all according to their own twisted beliefs. I, personally, believe whole-heartedly in same-sex marriage, I refuse to deny people the right to basic rights that the majority of people have earned. You have repeatedly contradicted yourself in your arguments by saying that you loe everyone equally but exempt homosexuals from this. I think that by doing that, you're starting to challenge even more resolutions. It's obvious that you will not listen to reason as well as the fact that this resolution has absolutely no chance of reachin the floor so I'm not going to bother with this.

*snip*We stand in strident opposition to the "honorable" representative's outlandish and plainly illegal proposal. The mere thought that --

[His cell phone rings.]

Uhhh ... I'm sorry ... This'll be just a moment ...

[He puts the phone to his ear.]

What?! ... No, Mr. President, I'm busy ... I'm speaking to the UN! ... Oh, some moron wants to revoke gay rights, calling them "dykes and f*****s," or some shit like that ... No, Mr. President, I don't think so. ... No, really, Mr. President, I got it ...

[The voice on the other end grows louder: "Let me talk to him! ... Riley let me talk to that jerk-off!" Riley groans.]

All right, fine!! ... I'm terribly sorry, honorable delegates (and the Milfordian rep), but the Destructor wishes to speak.

[He holds the phone aloft, a loud, angry voice squawking from it: "If guys wanna do each other, that's fine with the Destructor; I just don't wanna hear about it! As for assholes like you, I got a different policy; I do not suffer you to go without a proper ass-beating!! Com'on, bitch, bring your little punk-ass to the ring!! I got a special 'rebuttal' prepared, just for you! ..." The sound of boxing gloves pounding together can be heard ... "I'll talk to you later, Jack." <click> Riley embarrassingly folds up the phone and slips it back in his pocket.]

Uhhhhh ... I'm sure what the Destructor meant to say was that we in the Federal Republic respect national sovereignty, and that includes preserving the right of nations to institute same-sex marriages, if they so desire (and in fact the Federal Republic prides itself in its liberal gay rights laws, which would be in effect even without the UN's insistence). It is not the place of the United Nations to force nations to deny human rights to their citizens.

That said, the Federal Republic intends to sponsor a repeal (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461407) of the Gay Rights bill the Mypoian ambassador was kind enough to cite -- not on the grounds that nations should be able to discriminate against gays, or that gays do not deserve rights, but just the opposite: Resolution #12 is an ineffective law that does not nothing to protect gay rights, and it in fact hampers the UN's objectives where the preservation of human rights is concerned. We hope the delegate nations assembled will see fit to support such a repeal.

Thank you for your time.

[And with that, Riley turns and strides up the aisle toward the exit, kicking a gnome as he goes.]

you people
Honestly. "Honourable Delegates", or "Other Nations" or even "guys/girls" would have been more preferable than "you people". That is the kind of talk that people give to those they think are below them. Surely you didn't mean that everyone who opposes you (by that, I mean "everyone so far in this thread as well as the majority of nations in the UN") is below you? As well, I believe that people such as yourself are in the minority these days.

because thank god this is 2006 and not 1963 because it would be a whole diffrent story. to bad we cant bring back thoes good ol days huh., i would love that. i remember there were people fighting to get civil rights. huh.

First off, remeber back to your early english teachings, young Padawan. "NEVER START A SENCTENCE WITH THE WORD "because". I don't know about the country where you are from, but here, that is pounded into children's heads.

Secondly...capitals

Thirdly, whatever happened to "Equal rights and Justice"? Everyone deserves his/her/their own rights. As well, a leader needs to be impartial, not bring in his/her/their beliefs to influence the running of thei country. Also, "fighting to get civil rights" like Negroes, Jewish etc. These people continue to fight for civil rights and their case is constantly strengthened by nations that support their cause. However, people such as yourself continue to push them back because they believe that they are "below them" and don't deserve civil rights.

Next point - Who cares?

If a man likes/loves another man or a woman likes/loves another woman, it is not his/her fault. They are not hurting anyone else, so leave them alone.

I rest my case.

To paraphrase Jon Stewart:

"I'm a little worried about this whole gay marriage thing. I mean, are they gonna make us marry the gay people? Like, is the government going to make me marry a gay man? Because I really don't think my wife would like that, me being required to marry a gay man. I don't know, I just can't support gay marriage if we have to marry the gays. I mean, I'm assuming that's what this is all about, making us people do things, because otherwise... why would anyone care?"

"Ban... human rights for gays and lesbians"

Are you hearing yourself? What if we had a gay ruler who wanted to impose a ban on heterosexual marriage? You wouldn't want that, and you'd be against it. Gays and lesbians are in the same positions.

Banning human rights of homosexuals is completely unjust. It takes away their HUMAN rights for something beyond their control. At least criminals have a choice to make. Some homosexuals don't have that choice. Denying them human rights would be like denying someone on the street at random human rights for having a Nokia cell phone as opposed to a Cingular, or for wearing black pants instead of white ones. It's completely unacceptable, in the sense that it is remarkably sexist and very descriminatory of homosexuals.

"Hey, you're friends with a criminal, I'm arresting you."
That is the logic you're using. Hey, they're gay, they don't deserve human rights. It's a completely unjust, stereotypical generalization.

~ Johnothan Gaye, Head of the Homosexual Rights Department.

OOC: What are the odds that this is actually some fluffy liberal having fun at our expense?

:) i dont have to comply with anything now test me and see if im going to go by a law that says i have to follow or come in to agreement to permit a gay man or women to marry in my country. they going to have to impeach me or fire me in that case, that is the only way my government is going to show thoes gay people some respect is when im out of office,

You seem to be labouring under a misapprehension. The NSUN has in its employ a large number of gnomes, which are responsible for enforcing UN resolutions. You may be under the impression that yours is a sovereign government with the power to pass any laws it likes over its territory - in fact, like the rest of us, you are at the mercy of the gnomes, which have the power and authority to re-write any law passed by your legislature and override any order issued by your executive or judgement handed down from your courts if it is deemed to contravene UN law.

They don't have to fire or impeach you. They can just edit every one of your laws and instructions. You're powerless to stop the implementation of equal rights for gays and lesbians, short of quitting the UN.

OOC: What are the odds that this is actually some fluffy liberal having fun at our expense?

Ok, maybe:

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um excuse me i already done re wrote a few un laws that has came to my nation so aint no big thing. this isnt new to me.


You seem to be labouring under a misapprehension. The NSUN has in its employ a large number of gnomes, which are responsible for enforcing UN resolutions. You may be under the impression that yours is a sovereign government with the power to pass any laws it likes over its territory - in fact, like the rest of us, you are at the mercy of the gnomes, which have the power and authority to re-write any law passed by your legislature and override any order issued by your executive or judgement handed down from your courts if it is deemed to contravene UN law.

They don't have to fire or impeach you. They can just edit every one of your laws and instructions. You're powerless to stop the implementation of equal rights for gays and lesbians, short of quitting the UN.

I don't know why this came to mind this morning, but I realized it would look perfect on this thread.

Movie: Pocahontuas
Song: Colors of the wind

"You think the only people who are people
are the people who think and look and think like you
but if you walk the footsteps of a stranger
you'll learn things you never knew you never knew"

um excuse me i already done re wrote a few un laws that has came to my nation so aint no big thing. this isnt new to me.

No, sorry, you have it the wrong way round. The UN rewrites your laws. You're powerless to ignore UN law.

well whatever it really dont matter to my party and my government. because we operate on one accord. me being the speaker of the house my power go along way. and i descide what laws my country goes by. and you better believe i monitor all actions in the communites in west milford. so right about now its tons of gays and lesbians still fighting to be heard in my country. if the un is doing so mutch to protect these people they aint doing a good job. because for the past 8 years since i been in power these gays folks is still fighting for civil rights and they shure aint getting the love and respect from the milford government.:)

No, sorry, you have it the wrong way round. The UN rewrites your laws. You're powerless to ignore UN law.

No, sorry, you have it the wrong way round. The UN rewrites your laws. You're powerless to ignore UN law.

He's screwing up the distinction between gameplay and roleplay aspects of this game.

ALRIGHT!

Here's how this works. In a resolution, you have the title, category, strength and text of the resolution. The category and strength are gameplay issues, the title and text are ENTIRELY roleplay issues. All daily issues are entirely gameplay, though you have the option of attaching them to roleplay IF when you attach them, you are actually following the understood rules of roleplay (in which case, you can't contradict UN laws). The name of your nation is the only thing in your nation's description that's roleplay by default. Every other aspect of your nation you can opt to bring into roleplay, so long as it follows the rules of roleplay (again, you can't contradict the UN). The way the roleplay realm works, if you do pass legislation that contradicts the UN, the UN Gnomes go in and change those laws so they no longer contradict the UN. There are no if, buts, ors, whatever in there. You can pass laws that abuse loopholes, but you have to give an explanation to the UN Gnomes that they understand, can see and agree works as a loophole. Starting to use the french dictionary to interpret UN resolutions does not work.

If you start writing resolutions, you MUST remember that the text and title of the resolution is TOTALLY governed by the rules of roleplay - which includes the Most Glorious Protocols. All of the "you can't contradict the UN" is completely in the roleplay round because in the gameplay round, you've only had a handful of stat changes.

so right about now its tons of gays and lesbians still fighting to be heard in my country. if the un is doing so mutch to protect these people they aint doing a good job. because for the past 8 years since i been in power these gays folks is still fighting for civil rights and they shure aint getting the love and respect from the milford government.

Hmm. Maybe the gays and lesbians, like you, haven't noticed that the UN gnomes have edited every single one of your bigoted laws to give them equal rights. No matter, the _Myopia_ offices of the Campaign for International Tolerance and Equality have been notified of this and the organisation is setting up an information campaign to let your people know that you're actually unable to oppress them. You believe in freedom of speech, right?

well whatever it really dont matter to my party and my government. because we operate on one accord. me being the speaker of the house my power go along way. and i descide what laws my country goes by. and you better believe i monitor all actions in the communites in west milford. so right about now its tons of gays and lesbians still fighting to be heard in my country. if the un is doing so mutch to protect these people they aint doing a good job. because for the past 8 years since i been in power these gays folks is still fighting for civil rights and they shure aint getting the love and respect from the milford government.:)

The UN has only existed for 3 years.

:) it dont matter what you say on this matter. the house of reps is countrolled by my party. the senate is controlled by my party. whatever investigation that you tried to do. etc. or whatever law that has come before my country or my house all my party is going to do is come with a bill to overturn the law. and keep it over turn. and if it dont work we will do it our way. like i say again if the gays and lesbians new that they were being protected then how come they are in front of my captial still crying out to get there human or civil rights that they need. or if they new the un were protecting them then why are they in front of my capitial and not in front of the un. if anything america has not given any laws to gays and lesbians and i am talking about the american federal government now the un aint making america do anything. and ill be damn is they going to make my country do anything,


Hmm. Maybe the gays and lesbians, like you, haven't noticed that the UN gnomes have edited every single one of your bigoted laws to give them equal rights. No matter, the _Myopia_ offices of the Campaign for International Tolerance and Equality have been notified of this and the organisation is setting up an information campaign to let your people know that you're actually unable to oppress them. You believe in freedom of speech, right?

Oh dear. You did realise this is a game right? The NSUN laws consist of resolutions passed by the players, of course they aren't enforced on the real USA. And what I said was, maybe the reason that the gays and lesbians are protesting in your nation is that they, like you, haven't realised that the NationStates UN has absolute power over its members, and re-wrote all your laws the moment you joined to give them rights. That situation is currently being rectified.

:) it dont matter what you say on this matter. the house of reps is countrolled by my party. the senate is controlled by my party. whatever investigation that you tried to do. etc. or whatever law that has come before my country or my house all my party is going to do is come with a bill to overturn the law. and keep it over turn. and if it dont work we will do it our way. like i say again if the gays and lesbians new that they were being protected then how come they are in front of my captial still crying out to get there human or civil rights that they need. or if they new the un were protecting them then why are they in front of my capitial and not in front of the un. if anything america has not given any laws to gays and lesbians and i am talking about the american federal government now the un aint making america do anything. and ill be damn is they going to make my country do anything,
Okay, fella, here's the thing: Any law passed in-game by the in-game UN affects your in-game country. If you're a member of the UN, then you'll recieve a telegram from the UN after a resolution is passed, notifying you of the changes in your laws.

This is a game. Any law passed by the UN affects all UN members. If you want to be a bigotted nation, by all means, remain outside of the UN. 'Course, then you can't really be expected to pass legislation very well from out there, now can you?

:) it dont matter what you say on this matter. the house of reps is countrolled by my party. the senate is controlled by my party. whatever investigation that you tried to do. etc. or whatever law that has come before my country or my house all my party is going to do is come with a bill to overturn the law. and keep it over turn. and if it dont work we will do it our way. like i say again if the gays and lesbians new that they were being protected then how come they are in front of my captial still crying out to get there human or civil rights that they need. or if they new the un were protecting them then why are they in front of my capitial and not in front of the un. if anything america has not given any laws to gays and lesbians and i am talking about the american federal government now the un aint making america do anything. and ill be damn is they going to make my country do anything,

Here's an illustration of the power structure for UN nations:

http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/8395/unillustration0rp.png

And also, remember that the NSUN shares not much more than two initials with the RL UN.

This argument has gone on and on and on! Why not just post a proposal to repeal rights for gays and lesbians, and let the UN decide? That way, it's settled.

But just out of curiosity... what do you think to bisexuals?

um excuse me i already done re wrote a few un laws that has came to my nation so aint no big thing. this isnt new to me.
If you want to talk about the United States of America, the UN that has headquarters in New York City, and your behavior with regards to gays in those circumstances, move to the General forum.

If you want to talk about the NationStates UN, which you get to via teleportation, and whose membership includes talking penguins, otters, and dolphins, and in which the rights of gays have been enshrined in about half a dozen resolutions, stick to the rules of the game.

If you are unable to separate the difference between the two UNs (Real world and Game world), I'd be delighted to releive you of the confusion by ejecting your Game nation from the NSUN. Let me know how I can be of service.

Nice chain of being there, Ceorana, but I'm pretty sure the distinction between the top two is pretty fuzzy. ;)

The-Republic']Nice chain of being there, Ceorana, but I'm pretty sure the distinction between the top two is pretty fuzzy. ;)

Yup. The top one actually represents not just God, but rules of nature, laws of physics, etc. Just that I would have had to use a smaller font size. ;)

it dont matter what you say on this matter. the house of reps is countrolled by my party. the senate is controlled by my party. whatever investigation that you tried to do. etc. or whatever law that has come before my country or my house all my party is going to do is come with a bill to overturn the law. and keep it over turn. and if it dont work we will do it our way. like i say again if the gays and lesbians new that they were being protected then how come they are in front of my captial still crying out to get there human or civil rights that they need. or if they new the un were protecting them then why are they in front of my capitial and not in front of the un. if anything america has not given any laws to gays and lesbians and i am talking about the american federal government now the un aint making america do anything. and ill be damn is they going to make my country do anything,

Before I unleash a pack of my nation's vicious Tiger Otters upon, I beg you to read the responses posted to your text. This is the NSUN, we have full power over your laws, should we choose to do so, it's both a plus and a minus of the game. Now please, understand us (or at least better than we understand you).

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

Here's an illustration of the power structure for UN nations:

http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/8395/unillustration0rp.pngHmm. That's all very interesting. This (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/teddygrahams113/KennyUN1.jpg) is our conception of the UN power structure.

:) it dont matter what you say on this matter. the house of reps is countrolled by my party. the senate is controlled by my party. whatever investigation that you tried to do. etc. or whatever law that has come before my country or my house all my party is going to do is come with a bill to overturn the law. and keep it over turn. and if it dont work we will do it our way. like i say again if the gays and lesbians new that they were being protected then how come they are in front of my captial still crying out to get there human or civil rights that they need. or if they new the un were protecting them then why are they in front of my capitial and not in front of the un. if anything america has not given any laws to gays and lesbians and i am talking about the american federal government now the un aint making america do anything. and ill be damn is they going to make my country do anything,

This is the most hilarious post I've read to-date on these forums.

Hmm. That's all very interesting. This (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/teddygrahams113/KennyUN1.jpg) is our conception of the UN power structure.

Well, then it's a good thing Kenny keeps dieing.

Well, then it's a good thing Kenny keeps dieing.... And always comes back.

"I Think" isn't an arguement. The Empire of Quaon is ending all diplomatic ties with your nation.

And let me tell you something: YOU CAN NOT RESIST THE UN. IF YOU TRY, YOU WILL FAIL OR BE EJECTED.

And let me tell you something: YOU CAN NOT RESIST THE UN. IF YOU TRY, YOU WILL FAIL OR BE EJECTED.

I disagree. So does my signature.

And these are the kind of people that run our RL government, kinda sucks if you think about it... But I guess he still doesn't understand the rules of the game and thinks that his measly little country can stop the might of the UN's WMD's: Pen and Paper. It's obvious that he still thinks that he can ignore UN laws though. Oh, here's a good quote I heard in a song I'm listening to as I write this:

"You're wrong if you think I'll be just like you"


http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/values.jpg

Medoubts the author of this thread listens to TDG.

I disagree. So does my signature.
I really don't understand why someone would join the UN if they wanted National Soveriegthy. If you want to opress homo-sexuals, don't join the UN.

I really don't understand why someone would join the UN if they wanted National Soveriegthy. If you want to opress homo-sexuals, don't join the UN.One does not necessarily follow the other.

I really don't understand why someone would join the UN if they wanted National Soveriegthy. If you want to opress homo-sexuals, don't join the UN.

What has the first got, remotely, to do with the second? It's worth noting Gruenberg is based around the Wenaist faith, the goddess of which...is a lesbian. We're not, generally, into oppressing those who created - and, by extension, can change their minds - the world. A homophobic nation really shouldn't join the UN, and I can assure you that I, and the other members of the NSO, and sovereigntists in general, have no intention, nor desire, to oppress homosexuals. Nonetheless:
i. I feel excessive exclusion of states from the international forum the UN has the potential to be weakens the cultural diversity of that group, and its overall strength;
ii. I also feel that we need to trust member states. If we don't trust them to govern equitably, then there's little point writing resolutions which we want them to act on.

My nation at one point would not allow Star Bellies marry non-star bellies....until one day this dude came to town and F'd everything up.


Now everyone has 50 stars on their bellies...it's obscene...

The ambassadors of the nation of Pastafaristan, speaking on behalf of our people, believe that no just and freedom-loving nation can possibly support this proposed resolution, so our opposition goes without saying. Due to the nature of this proposal, we are withdrawing any and all ambassadors from the nation of "Milford New Jersey" until such time as its government sees fit to issue a withdrawal of the proposal along with an official apology.

Along with the content of the proposed resolution itself, another statement from the ambassadors of "Milford New Jersey" is of deepest concern to the people of Pastafaristan: the assertion that civil rights for gays and lesbians run contrary to "morals" and "beliefs." The beliefs of the esteemed ambassador may stand against civil rights, but the moral and spiritual code of the Flying Spaghetti Monster welcomes homosexuals and homosexual relationships as readily as their heterosexual equivalents; indeed, it welcomes any romantic relationships in which participants are in no way forcibly coerced to enter or stay in the relationship.

Pastafaristan officially extends an invitation to any citizens of "Milford New Jersey" who oppose their government's tyrannical viewpoints, that we will welcome and even aid any efforts you may make to emigrate to Pastafaristan. The ambassadors of Pastafaristan implore any and all freedom-loving nations to extend similar offers toward the oppressed citizens of "Milford New Jersey." And may its tyrannical government be Touched by His Noodly Appendage.