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It is.



How can it not be?


We must abolish it.





OK, That's just my opinion.

Please tell me how it can be justified.



How God could agree.

Sin.

surely thats a judeo-christian concept and we can leave religious debates for a while.

I believe my nations position on capital punishment is well known, even if its rarely used.

Capital punishment is a nations way of dealing with treason, murder and other very serious crimes.

sometimes a criminal needs to be executed so that the people can see justice being done and a rabid animal put out of its misery for the good of the nation.

Never has there been a person who said I will stop because of the the laws.






We speak because of our alders. Stand strong. If you think that killing people will make people not kill people



Well...you lose me.

Sin is just another word for fun

Capital punishment







is a good thing





and I do not believe we should ban it.



As has been pointed out, 'sin' is a Christian concept (as is your appeal to





God)


so it has little relevance anyway to



nations like mine




which are not


Christian.

Yeah…

I don't care.

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Please tell me how it can be justified.
How God could agree.

If you are refering to a GOD that flooded the earth and killed all but 8 then he is all for capital punishment.. So what is your point here... Go read about the number of times GOD killed... for GOD's so called cause.... Plagues on cities and groups of people all sorts of events where people were killed by GOD...

I don't care





what you consider





a "sin."

Capital punishment is a sin.Hath you not perused the Mosaic Laws, oh enlightened one? They were supposedly instituted by God, and they command capital punishment for all kinds of offenses.

We speak because of our alders.OK let me get this straight, you speak because of your trees.
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Stand strong. If you think that killing people will make people not kill people



Well...you lose me.
I've never seen a dead person kill anyone, have you?

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I've never seen a dead person kill anyone, have you?
Do the undead count? How about zombies?

Rose,
Acting Senior UN representative,
The Black New World
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Do the undead count? How about zombies?

Rose,
Acting Senior UN representative,
The Black New World
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Ah, I knew someone would bring up zombies, you see they don't count as they are considered undead.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Ah, I knew someone would bring up zombies, you see they don't count as they are considered undead.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative
I didn't know zombies counted as undead. I thought only vampires count (badum bum).

Rose,
Acting Senior UN representative,
The Black New World
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My carriage





return key is




broken.


But it










makes my posts



longer.

It is. How can it not be?

How do I submit something for the "Best supportive argument of the year" award?

Well I believe that if someone killed my mother I would be at ease to know that the demon behind her demise is going to be killed by the government. Also I would like to point out the old saying of "...an eye for an eye..." I am pretty sure that was in the bible seeing as though I have read it in there. So if its a sin then why would the Creator assign such a thing?

Also many nations are ruled by the idea of secularism. seeing that secularism seperates holy law from their government laws(for the most part) then why would the government consider it a sin they(the government) is just liquidating a murder. But for those nations who are theorcacies(that I know of) they inforce the "an eye for an eye" saying. Basically, I believe that capital punishment is not a sin. Plus to me I don't care if it doesn't work for making murders stop. All I would want is to know that the person who had killed my mother is no longer allowed to breath, eat, laugh, cry, sleep, ect anymore just as my mother wouldn't be able because of her/him.

To answer Bob Flibble I can't say that I have seen a dead person kill anyone. Except for in the movies when the zombies were going on rampages, but it was just that...a movie.

Please tell me how it can be justified. How God could agree.Not to start a wildfire debate here, but God seems just fine with death. While I could certainly give a long list (http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=put+to+death&x=0&y=0) of references, let's just stick with one:

He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.

I'd just like to point out that that was the bloke who had the job before me… I'm more about compassionately encouraging sin.

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OK, That's just my opinion.
and this is where you fall short. the inherent lack of substantial argument, would make us ignore you, but this statement at the end propts one statement from me: dont force your morals on us. whilst you believe this is true, and is your opinion, it is neither a shared or a universal opinion. in actual fact, The Most Glorious Hack has proven it to be utterly wrong.

I've never seen a dead person kill anyone, have you?

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Well...ok...it was 3 years ago in Vegas...Johnny just died of an unknown STD about 20 minutes ago...and Wendy (high out of her mind) thought he was still alive. She had always liked Johnny, and seeing him "passed out" on the floor made her feel...........................

in actual fact, The Most Glorious Hack has proven it to be utterly wrong.

And as we know, The Most Glorious Hack is in close competition with The Black New World for the position of God around here... ;)

And as we know, The Most Glorious Hack is in close competition with The Black New World for the position of God around here... ;)
yeah, thats true.... and she had the gall to say I was acting all high and mighty

And as we know, The Most Glorious Hack is in close competition with The Black New World for the position of God around here... ;)
Well there's the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. I'm the fourth half of the trinity and Knoot is Satan. I'm afraid our organisation just doesn't have many deity positions left.

However, if Mr Hack would like to apply in the supernatural entities category I'm sure we could find something for him to do.

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"An eye for an eye". Is that in the bible?

But then again, judge not lest ye be judged is also in there.

Well...ok...it was 3 years ago in Vegas...Johnny just died of an unknown STD about 20 minutes ago...and Wendy (high out of her mind) thought he was still alive. She had always liked Johnny, and seeing him "passed out" on the floor made her feel...........................Hmm...

Johnny wants a plane
Johnny wants to suck on a Coke
Johnny wants a woman
Johnny wants to think of a joke
Uh-uh-uh uh, uh, uh-uh uh-uh-uh
Johnny's in America
Uh-uh-uh uh, uh, uh-uh uh-uh-uh
I'm afraid of Americans
I'm afraid of the world
I'm afraid I can't help it
I'm afraid I can't
I'm afraid of Americans
Johnny's in America
Uh-uh-uh uh, uh, uh-uh uh-uh-uh

Well there's the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. I'm the fourth half of the trinity and Knoot is Satan. I'm afraid our organisation just doesn't have many deity positions left.

However, if Mr Hack would like to apply in the supernatural entities category I'm sure we could find something for him to do.

Well, if the trinity already has four halves (wonderful mystical statement, I might add), why don't you make it Father, Son, Big Brother, and the Holy Ghost? That way you could have a trinity of four, where you are the fifth half, and all are One.

However, if Mr Hack would like to apply in the supernatural entities category I'm sure we could find something for him to do.Roar.

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Sweetheart, I'm God I don't need to explain myself. Mr Hack can either take a position as a supernatural entity or go on with his everyday life.

Edit: Welcome to The Corporation Mr Hack.

Sweetheart, I'm God I don't need to explain myself.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. This is the sort of attitude that gets threads like this started in the first place... :rolleyes:

Well I believe that if someone killed my mother I would be at ease to know that the demon behind her demise is going to be killed by the government. Also I would like to point out the old saying of "...an eye for an eye..." I am pretty sure that was in the bible seeing as though I have read it in there. So if its a sin then why would the Creator assign such a thing?


There are those who would argue that "an eye for an eye" is not what you must take, but the most you are permitted to take. It does not call for vengence, but instead prevents someone from going way over the top whilst seeking it.

"...an eye for an eye..."
That was meant as a cap, so that you could not punish someone by killing them, if they themselves did not kill.

We find this arguement moot, as we do not have capital punishment, we find the use of religion as cause to do anything, as most repugnant.

We would also like to point out, that it is not the UNs job to discuss religion in any way, shape or form.

We would also like to point out, that it is not the UNs job to discuss religion in any way, shape or form.

This isn't the RL UN. We can discuss religion all we like; we even passed a resolution on it.

There are those who would argue that "an eye for an eye" is not what you must take, but the most you are permitted to take. It does not call for vengence, but instead prevents someone from going way over the top whilst seeking it.It's the most you can take provided only an eye is gouged...

He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee.
But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.
And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.Yes, that's right. Tell your parents to fuck off, and it's killin' time.

As for "eye for an eye" specifically, we skip a bit:

(emphasis added)[/size]"]And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.
And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

Well look at that. Life for a life. Now can we finally agree that Old Testament Law was fully and completely in favor of capital punishment and move on?

Personally I perfer Gandhi's explaination of the "eye for an eye" saying.

*points down to blue line in her sig*

We have just abolished the death penalty in Waterana but not because we think its a sin. That sort of religious concept has no place in our government decisions. What other nations do within their nations to their criminals is their own business however.

Well look at that. Life for a life. Now can we finally agree that Old Testament Law was fully and completely in favor of capital punishment and move on?

You don't think that we finally established was the Old Testament was written by lunatics who should be put down for the good of all people?

This isn't the RL UN. We can discuss religion all we like; we even passed a resolution on it.
We are deeply agrieved at this.
OOC, well colour me secular.

在地该被替换成遗传的实验的全部上的死刑。以及如果任何你中能够理解我说的，我庆贺你。唷是很能干的和值得我的兴趣。
您好。
Optischer

在地该被替换成遗传的实验的全部上的死刑。以及如果任何你中能够理解我说的，我庆贺你。唷是很能干的和值得我的兴趣。
您好。
Optischer
in english, please?

New Hamilton, I'm absolutely shocked that you presented your arguments in the way you did. I had hoped your time off would've let you reflect upon the failings of your arguments and the way you present them. You don't give arguments, you give opinions. An opinion is a statement indicating a position. An argument in an opinion back by reasoning. It has often been proven that trying to use religious values is about as stupid as you can get with reasoning - and I'm certain you have the experience by now to know this. So why do you continue to post this tripe on the forums with so little actual arguments?

in english, please?
What Optischer is trying to say is: "I'm a Troll. Please pay attention to me."

What Optischer is trying to say is: "I'm a Troll. Please pay attention to me."

:D

Style: 8.7
Accuracy: 9.9
Anti-troll effectiveness: 1.2

this is the translation through babelfish.com
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still makes no sense

this is the translation through babelfish.com

still makes no sense
I'd go so far as to say that it makes even less sense.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative