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The United States of Brians Room has drafted an important proposal that we wish to see debated before the United Nations. It has been introduced, and we are asking our fellow heads of state for support.

The resolution is as follows:

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A RESOLUTION to recognize the evolution and importance of motorsports.

WHEREAS on March 26, 1903, an automotive race was held on a beach in Voluptua County, Floridiatopia, United States of Brians Room, inaugurating 100 years of motorsports;

WHEREAS 100 years later, motorsports are the fastest growing sports in that country;

WHEREAS races occur at hundreds of motorsport facilities in all 5 provinces of that country;

WHEREAS racing fans can enjoy a wide variety of motorsports sanctioned by organizations that include USBR Championship Auto Racing Teams (CART), Grand USBRian Road Racing (Grand US), USBR Indy Racing League (IRL), International Motorsports Association of the World(IMSAW), National Association for Stock Car Automobile Racing of the USBR (NASCARU ), National USBRian Hot Rod Association (NUHRA), Sports Car Club of North America (SCCNA), and United States of Brian's Room Auto Club (USAC);

WHEREAS the research and development of vehicles used in motorsports have directly contributed to improvements in safety and technology for the automobiles and motor vehicles used by hundreds of millions of Brians Roomians;

WHEREAS 13,000,000 fans will attend NASCARU races alone in 2003;

WHEREAS fans of all ages spend days at motorsport facilities participating in a variety of interactive theme and amusement activities surrounding races;

WHEREAS motorsport facilities that provide these theme and amusement activities contribute millions of dollars into local economies;

WHEREAS motorsports make a significant contribution to the national and regional economy; and

WHEREAS tens of billions of people across the globe enjoy the excitement and speed of motorsports every week: Now, therefore,

BE IT RESOLVED, That the United Nations recognizes the evolution of motorsports and honors those who have helped create and build this great pastime.

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We thank you for your support.

WHEREAS on March 26, 1903, an automotive race was held on a beach in Volusia County, Florida, United States of America, inaugurating 100 years of motorsports;

RL references = illegal

OOC: I like americans. I deeply dislike self-centered ignorant americans. If you want to make outrageously illegal RL proposals, at least pretend that this is an international organisation, representing all the world.

OOC: I like americans. I deeply dislike self-centered ignorant americans. If you want to make outrageously illegal RL proposals, at least pretend that this is an international organisation, representing all the world.

Outrageously illegal RL proposals?

I believe you're taking the hyperbole a bit too far.

I apologize for the oversight and will redraft the resolution to fit the "requirements".

Outrageously illegal RL proposals?

I believe you're taking the hyperbole a bit too far.

I apologize for the oversight and will redraft the resolution to fit the "requirements".

I don't know why you're putting it in inverted commas: they really are requirements. And do we *really* need a redraft? Motorsports may be fun, but I don't see the point in the UN 'honouring' those who partake in them.

I would also suggest that you contact a mod and request removal of your proposal from the proposals list to avoid potential consequences. It's always better to ask for removal yourself than to wait for a mod to remove it because someone reported your proposal as being illegal.

RL references = illegal
not to mention the first motor race actually happened in 1894 in europe.....

I don't know why you're putting it in inverted commas: they really are requirements. And do we *really* need a redraft? Motorsports may be fun, but I don't see the point in the UN 'honouring' those who partake in them.

If you don't consider the resolution to be worthwhile, then you do not need to request your delegate to support it.

NASCAR is an important component of the United States of Brian's Room's economy, and we believe that this justifies recognition in the United Nations.

I don't believe we *really* need a resolution that regulates marriage within the member states, but there is one in queue.

not to mention the first motor race actually happened in 1894 in europe.....

Where is Europe?

Where is Europe?
:eek: :headbang:

OOC: and this just adds to one of the many reasons I'm not at all proud to be American...


IC: Do you plan to submit a request on the mod forum for your proposal to be removed?

In addition to what I've said about the first draft, your proposal is still illegal due to the following text:

WHEREAS racing fans can enjoy a wide variety of motorsports sanctioned by organizations that include Championship Auto Racing Teams (CART), Grand American Road Racing (Grand Am), Indy Racing League (IRL), International Motorsports Association (IMSA), National Association for Stock Car Automobile Racing (NASCAR ), National Hot Rod Association (NHRA), Sports Car Club of America (SCCA), and United States of Brian's Room Auto Club (USAC);WHEREAS 13,000,000 fans will attend NASCAR races alone in 2003;

I have emboldened the illegal portions.

:eek: :headbang:

OOC: and this just adds to one of the many reasons I'm not at all proud to be American...


IC: Do you plan to submit a request on the mod forum for your proposal to be removed?

OOC: Irony is apparently lost on you.

IC: This has already been submitted, and we thank you for your bringing this suggestion to our attention.

Where is Europe?
OOC: a big place across what you call the Atlantic Ocean. It is where, in RL, the automobile was invented. and actually, i will correct myself: the first race was in 1895, the first automobile was made in 1894. if anyone else can correct those dates (except Brians Room), they can. i just dont have the book on me atm

In addition to what I've said about the first draft, your proposal is still illegal due to the following text:

I have emboldened the illegal portions.

Thank you for your continued aid in the drafting of these resolution.

I look forward to your support once the final draft has been submitted.

OOC: a big place across what you call the Atlantic Ocean. It is where, in RL, the automobile was invented. and actually, i will correct myself: the first race was in 1895, the first automobile was made in 1894. if anyone else can correct those dates (except Brians Room), they can. i just dont have the book on me atm

OOC: Thanks for the history lesson. However, my comment was designed to be funny. The juxtaposition of being knocked for failing to conform my resolution to the game world, and then being attacked for failing to recognize that auto racing began in Europe I found amusing.

IC: In response to those who claim that this benefits only the USBR and only recognizes our auto racing industry, we admit that this is the case. However, we feel that this industry is important enough to our over 6 billion citizens that it warrants a UN resolution.

OOC: Irony is apparently lost on you.

IC: This has already been submitted, and we thank you for your bringing this suggestion to our attention.
I didn't realise you were being ironic... In case you haven't noticed, it's really hard to tell when someone's joking and when they really are that unintelligent unless you put some kind of indicator on what you post.

Also, I assume that since you requested removal of the first draft, you also requested removal of the second draft, in which case, I take my leave of this debate and wish you good luck. *curtseys without knowing how to spell "curtsey", and leaves*

Every now and then a Proposal crops up that, for lack of a more tactful description, is stupid. This is clearly a judgment call, but if you're going to mandate that all cars be pink, you're gonna have a dead proposal on your hands. This includes things that are unworthy of UN consideration (such as mandating allowances for children who eat their vegetables).

Now, I am not a mod, but I think you risk deletion on this basis, even if you change the RL references. The UN does not pass resolutions about individual nations.

Alright, you've obviously changed a bit here and there but you still need to get the living crap kicked out of this proposal before you get yourself deleted for submitting illegal proposals.

The United States of Brians Room has drafted an important proposal that we wish to see debated before the United Nations. It has been introduced, and we are asking our fellow heads of state for support.

The resolution is as follows:

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A RESOLUTION to recognize the evolution and importance of motorsports.

Define: category, strength. There is no such category that deals with motorsports. I'll give my suggestion at the end.

WHEREAS on March 26, 1903, an automotive race was held on a beach in Voluptua County, Floridiatopia, United States of Brians Room, inaugurating 100 years of motorsports;

Branding, metagaming. The late Demon Lord Enigma was playing with a nation in about the 2750s. You are pushing the concept that it is merely 2003 - even MT people might have issues with that one.

WHEREAS 100 years later, motorsports are the fastest growing sports in that country;

:rolleyes: I can't remember which category it is, but that also is illegal

WHEREAS races occur at hundreds of motorsport facilities in all 5 provinces of that country;

*sighs. Guess I better look it up
(checks)

Metagaming, possibly branding

WHEREAS racing fans can enjoy a wide variety of motorsports sanctioned by organizations that include USBR Championship Auto Racing Teams (CART), Grand USBRian Road Racing (Grand US), USBR Indy Racing League (IRL), International Motorsports Association of the World(IMSAW), National Association for Stock Car Automobile Racing of the USBR (NASCARU ), National USBRian Hot Rod Association (NUHRA), Sports Car Club of North America (SCCNA), and United States of Brian's Room Auto Club (USAC);

Ditto

WHEREAS the research and development of vehicles used in motorsports have directly contributed to improvements in safety and technology for the automobiles and motor vehicles used by hundreds of millions of Brians Roomians;

Branding

WHEREAS 13,000,000 fans will attend NASCARU races alone in 2003;

Metagaming for sure, possible branding

WHEREAS fans of all ages spend days at motorsport facilities participating in a variety of interactive theme and amusement activities surrounding races;

Again, branding or metagaming

WHEREAS motorsport facilities that provide these theme and amusement activities contribute millions of dollars into local economies;

Good

WHEREAS motorsports make a significant contribution to the national and regional economy; and

add a "can" and it'll be good

WHEREAS tens of billions of people across the globe enjoy the excitement and speed of motorsports every week: Now, therefore,

Metagaming

BE IT RESOLVED, That the United Nations recognizes the evolution of motorsports and honors those who have helped create and build this great pastime.

Unworthy of the UN's time/Just plain stupid/Joke

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We thank you for your support.

Alright:
category: Free Trade
strength: mild

ludicrosity factor: extreme

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Even if you could make this a high quality proposal and were able to repair it, even if by some amazing miracle you can make it so that it passes the "stupidity/joke/unworthy of UN's time" section (I seriously doubt that's possible), I will not support it. First, your proposal is basically asking the UN to honor a sport because of its success in YOUR nation, without a single care about what any other nation does with it. The only exception is the 10 billion comment (which, in itself, is abysmally small as the population of NS is in the trillions to begin with). That deals with why it probably goes under one of those 3 clauses for deletion no matter how you deal with it.

However, even if 50% of the population of the UN watched it, I still would not support your proposal. I won't be supporting something where we honor guys racing around a 2 mile track for 500 miles burning up as much fuel as possible over and over and over again. BASEBALL is more exciting, and that's another game I don't watch. The only cool thing about racing is that race crashes are fun to watch, but you get smacked for thinking that because "the driver might have been killed" (actually, I really love the games for that reason - all the demolition, none of the potential death). So no, good sir, I shall not support your proposal

IC: In response to those who claim that this benefits only the USBR and only recognizes our auto racing industry, we admit that this is the case. However, we feel that this industry is important enough to our over 6 billion citizens that it warrants a UN resolution.

In Malclavia, next year we will be celebrating the 500th anniversary of the first couch to be reupholstered within our lands, a critical moment in our Furniture Restoration industry. Yet, despite its importance to Malclavians everywhere, we are not planning to ask the U.N. for a resolution honoring those brave reupholsterers, who decided to refurbish that legendary divan rather than replace it.

Should your proposal be enacted... just what impact will that have on the international community? Here in Malclavia, we're much too busy preparing for next year's Reupholstery Festival to be occupied celebrating a mere sport of which only a small minority of our nation is even aware.

In Malclavia, next year we will be celebrating the 500th anniversary of the first couch to be reupholstered within our lands, a critical moment in our Furniture Restoration industry. Yet, despite its importance to Malclavians everywhere, we are not planning to ask the U.N. for a resolution honoring those brave reupholsterers, who decided to refurbish that legendary divan rather than replace it.

Should your proposal be enacted... just what impact will that have on the international community? Here in Malclavia, we're much too busy preparing for next year's Reupholstery Festival to be occupied celebrating a mere sport of which only a small minority of our nation is even aware.

Fonzoland wishes to send warm congratulations to the people of Malclavia on this memorable occasion. We will celebrate a national Reupholstery day in tribute, and take this opportunity to express our desire to import fine Malclavian used furniture. If it pleases the honorable representative, we will also offer the services of our world-famous flying blind mimes for the festival. Our mimes practice a dangerous, entertaining, yet unpaid service to all nations, so it is with great regret that we find them unprotected by the UN.

OOC: It is refreshing, but unfortunate, to have my proposal so eloquently shot down by the forum posters here.

My resolution is, indeed, ludicrous, and I have already made the decision to not repair the issues and replace it with a new submission.

This was my attempt, obvious quickly conceived and poorly executed, to bring to light the absolute absurdity of some of the resolutions debated by the United Nations, particularly the one that will soon be before us, by introducing a suitably absurd resolution regarding an issue of nominal concern to states - NASCAR happened to be the closest I could come up with.

I then proceeded to review resolutions passed by the US House of Representatives and US Senate and found this one. I assumed, obviously incorrectly, that as long as my resolution offended no one and was spelled correctly, it stood a pretty good chance of making it in the UN. Next time, I'll post one that has passed a European governmental body instead.

For those who want to see the US version, its H.Con.Res.320 from the 108th Congress.

IC: Thank you all for your assistance in the drafting of this resolution. We have made the determination that it is inappropriate to continue work on it at this time. Thank you all for your consideration.

This was my attempt, obvious quickly conceived and poorly executed, to bring to light the absolute absurdity of some of the resolutions debated by the United Nations, particularly the one that will soon be before us, by introducing a suitably absurd resolution regarding an issue of nominal concern to states - NASCAR happened to be the closest I could come up with.

I then proceeded to review resolutions passed by the US House of Representatives and US Senate and found this one. I assumed, obviously incorrectly, that as long as my resolution offended no one and was spelled correctly, it stood a pretty good chance of making it in the UN. Next time, I'll post one that has passed a European governmental body instead.

Oh, come on, it's no fun like that. How can you fool the idiots if you warn them of your cunning, devious plans beforehand? Might I suggest you propose something in Greek for a refreshing new challenge?

Oh, come on, it's no fun like that. How can you fool the idiots if you warn them of your cunning, devious plans beforehand? Might I suggest you propose something in Greek for a refreshing new challenge?

I'm sure that if I had proposed something regarding soccer, it would have passed overwhelmingly.

Foiled again!

I'm sure that if I had proposed something regarding soccer, it would have passed overwhelmingly.

Foiled again!

Well, I'm sure you are wrong.

1. Not all the people who opposed you are evil europeans. At least I noticed I&A is american.

2. The resolution you so vehemently oppose, currently at vote, is there after long scrutiny and discussion. It is not a consequence of herd behaviour. You have the right to oppose it, and you did it politely and eloquently in the other thread. I am sure everyone appreciates your contribution to the debate.

3. However, you do NOT have the right to assume that everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot who votes without thinking. Before you kindly shared your real motives with us, I labelled you self-centered and ignorant. I was wrong at that occasion, but you skilfully made your case again in this post.

I have yet to see a piece of real life legislation/resolution make it to quarom - most never makes it past drafting. The problem is the very nature of the UN is extraordinarily different than what the RL UN and any nation to date has.

Further - you're comparing right of divorce to NASCAR? As the coauthor of Right to Divorce, I find that insinuation nothing short of insulting.

Well, I'm sure you are wrong.

1. Not all the people who opposed you are evil europeans. At least I noticed I&A is american.

2. The resolution you so vehemently oppose, currently at vote, is there after long scrutiny and discussion. It is not a consequence of herd behaviour. You have the right to oppose it, and you did it politely and eloquently in the other thread. I am sure everyone appreciates your contribution to the debate.

3. However, you do NOT have the right to assume that everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot who votes without thinking. Before you kindly shared your real motives with us, I labelled you self-centered and ignorant. I was wrong at that occasion, but you skilfully made your case again in this post.

Again, the above post was made in jest and not as an attempt to spark an America/Europe debate.

I oppose the divorce resolution as I have all resolutions that infringe upon state sovereignty, and I've been doing that on behalf of my region for over two years. It wasn't until I saw this resolution that I felt compelled to experiment and see exactly what kind of proposal that I felt was ridiculous that I could get a significant number of endorsements for. Obviously, I should've taken more time and picked a topic more esoteric - instead of simply choosing something I felt was ridiculous from the US Congress, instead.

I do not assume that everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot. Quite the contrary. But the immediate "this is illegal", and other random comments that I viewed as completely unconstructive annoyed me - I generally have a problem with people on forums who act condescending for no apparent reason, and there is quite a bit of that in this thread. Granted, the written word is difficult to interpret, and I grant you that, but at the same time I also think that in general its better to be polite and assist someone than to jump on them and make judge their character without having a sufficient background with that person to make an educated judgement.

I've been playing this game almost since it launched, have been a delegate for a 100+ state region for almost three years, but rarely have gotten involved in these forums because of the lack of respect that is so prevalent.

I wish my half-hearted attempt to make a point about the UN had gone over better - it might have convinced me that my previously established opinion on the forums was wrong.

I have yet to see a piece of real life legislation/resolution make it to quarom - most never makes it past drafting. The problem is the very nature of the UN is extraordinarily different than what the RL UN and any nation to date has.

Further - you're comparing right of divorce to NASCAR? As the coauthor of Right to Divorce, I find that insinuation nothing short of insulting.

I'm not making that comparison at all.

I was drawing an analogy - the US Congress passing a resolution saluting NASCAR is a waste of resources and, in my opinion, unnecessary. I feel that this UN resolution is similiar.

I mean no offense to you, as the co-author. I simply don't believe that this resolution is appropriate territory for the UN to be proposing legislation about.

I'm not making that comparison at all.

I was drawing an analogy - the US Congress passing a resolution saluting NASCAR is a waste of resources and, in my opinion, unnecessary. I feel that this UN resolution is similiar.

I mean no offense to you, as the co-author. I simply don't believe that this resolution is appropriate territory for the UN to be proposing legislation about.

A poor analogy. The US congress has several bills going at any given time that they continually debate. The UN is a massive body but it sees very few issues to contend with. Currently, Right to Divorce is the only proposal in queue. As far as I'm concerned, if there's nothing else to do, then how can you claim that it is a "waste of resources"? Personally, I never buy that debate because, quite frankly, this UN debates up to 2 dozen proposals on any given day and we still seem to find time were a large portion of our extraordinarily active membership can discuss as many proposals as needed - and often put up half a dozen "these are today's dumb submissions" on top of that.

Add on that this bill in question is about entertainment and lifestyle, while the proposal soon to be at vote is about human rights, even if we were both to agree that they wasted the time of the respective bodies that voted on them, it would still be a terrible analogy. If you want a good Human Rights "why the heck are we discussing this", look at the tractor proposal that we beaned down last night.

While I respectfully disagree with you regarding jurisdiction of the UN regarding divorce and, well, the UN period, I request that you try not to draw such....frustrating parallels.

A poor analogy. The US congress has several bills going at any given time that they continually debate. The UN is a massive body but it sees very few issues to contend with. Currently, Right to Divorce is the only proposal in queue. As far as I'm concerned, if there's nothing else to do, then how can you claim that it is a "waste of resources"? Personally, I never buy that debate because, quite frankly, this UN debates up to 2 dozen proposals on any given day and we still seem to find time were a large portion of our extraordinarily active membership can discuss as many proposals as needed - and often put up half a dozen "these are today's dumb submissions" on top of that.

Add on that this bill in question is about entertainment and lifestyle, while the proposal soon to be at vote is about human rights, even if we were both to agree that they wasted the time of the respective bodies that voted on them, it would still be a terrible analogy. If you want a good Human Rights "why the heck are we discussing this", look at the tractor proposal that we beaned down last night.

While I respectfully disagree with you regarding jurisdiction of the UN regarding divorce and, well, the UN period, I request that you try not to draw such....frustrating parallels.

I apologize for frustrating you.

I am of the opinion that the UN, based on the types of resolutions it has frequently passed, best serves the member states when it is NOT actively debating a resolution. For every good resolution that passes, we have dozens that are inappropriately broad and infringe upon the rights of member states.

Thus, a UN doing nothing is a UN doing no harm - and that is about the most we can ask from it, given its history of doing harm so often, despite the best intentions of many.

Again, your proposal happened to be the straw the broke this camel's back, which is what drew me over here, when I normally do not post here unless I absolutely must.

OOC:

I find the UN and how it's structured to be almost a crucial part to my enjoyment of NationStates. Here we debate the issues of the day, discuss why we believe them, discuss the reasoning on why these beliefs are flawed, etc. It is a political body. We get a taste of the workings of the lawmakers do as we quibble about what we support, what we don't support, and why. We discuss wording, reasoning, quality of arguments, rules, what impact previously passed laws have, etc. As such, the times I hate the most is when there is nothing lined up for vote, and the times I love best is when the quorum is nearly a page long. I thrive on the debate and I see passed resolutions an indicator, a marker, of our progress. It's why I absolutely despise the NatSov proposals that go through (with exception to the Taxation set from PC). I want to see progress.

I believe this is why Max Barry set up the UN, and more importantly, set it up the way he did. I think he chose it this way because then you'd actually have to play politics, rather than just being the supreme dictator of your nation for life. Those that want to, its fair game for them to enjoy themselves as they do that. But I dislike the illusion of reality that comes from such a thing.

I have yet to see a piece of real life legislation/resolution make it to quarom - most never makes it past drafting. The problem is the very nature of the UN is extraordinarily different than what the RL UN and any nation to date has.
I believe the closest was L:aw of the Sea, which was illegal at the time under the Enodian Protocols, and still illegal under the Most Glorious Protocols. RL legislation doesn't work in the NSUN.

Again, the above post was made in jest and not as an attempt to spark an America/Europe debate.

I oppose the divorce resolution as I have all resolutions that infringe upon state sovereignty, and I've been doing that on behalf of my region for over two years. It wasn't until I saw this resolution that I felt compelled to experiment and see exactly what kind of proposal that I felt was ridiculous that I could get a significant number of endorsements for. Obviously, I should've taken more time and picked a topic more esoteric - instead of simply choosing something I felt was ridiculous from the US Congress, instead.

I do not assume that everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot. Quite the contrary. But the immediate "this is illegal", and other random comments that I viewed as completely unconstructive annoyed me - I generally have a problem with people on forums who act condescending for no apparent reason, and there is quite a bit of that in this thread. Granted, the written word is difficult to interpret, and I grant you that, but at the same time I also think that in general its better to be polite and assist someone than to jump on them and make judge their character without having a sufficient background with that person to make an educated judgement.

I've been playing this game almost since it launched, have been a delegate for a 100+ state region for almost three years, but rarely have gotten involved in these forums because of the lack of respect that is so prevalent.

I wish my half-hearted attempt to make a point about the UN had gone over better - it might have convinced me that my previously established opinion on the forums was wrong.

First of all, I do think I was overly harsh and unconstructive in my posts, and I apologise for that. I retreat from any comments which might be construed as personal attacks.
However, I suggest that your attempt to make a point about the UN, especially about the small minority who regularly post here, by showing that a ludicrous proposal would easily achieve support/quorum, is in itself condescending and disrespectful. Many took your initial proposal seriously, and wasted their time trying to be helpful (a lot more than me ;)), just to find out you were playing some dubious practical joke. And that was what got me worked up in the latter stages.

OOC: It is refreshing, but unfortunate, to have my proposal so eloquently shot down by the forum posters here.

My resolution is, indeed, ludicrous, and I have already made the decision to not repair the issues and replace it with a new submission.

This was my attempt, obvious quickly conceived and poorly executed, to bring to light the absolute absurdity of some of the resolutions debated by the United Nations, particularly the one that will soon be before us, by introducing a suitably absurd resolution regarding an issue of nominal concern to states - NASCAR happened to be the closest I could come up with.

I then proceeded to review resolutions passed by the US House of Representatives and US Senate and found this one. I assumed, obviously incorrectly, that as long as my resolution offended no one and was spelled correctly, it stood a pretty good chance of making it in the UN. Next time, I'll post one that has passed a European governmental body instead.

For those who want to see the US version, its H.Con.Res.320 from the 108th Congress.

IC: Thank you all for your assistance in the drafting of this resolution. We have made the determination that it is inappropriate to continue work on it at this time. Thank you all for your consideration.

Nevertheless, it was illegal. You've been told before that these joke proposals are not acceptable, yet you still submit them. If you're going to make a joke proposal, post it here, have a laugh, and don't submit it. You're ruining your own record.

I'm sure that if I had proposed something regarding soccer, it would have passed overwhelmingly.

Foiled again!
I think you'll find it's called football, my dear.

G Galloway
Delegate for Yanqui-Baiting