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I beleive someone who has sufficient endorsements should propose a resolution addressing the following items:

1. I beleive that member nations should expel their criminal to an island. This would releive the burden they place on a governments economy, while also deterring future crimes.

2. Nations should be able to expel, euthenise, or otherwise eliminate the burden elderly place on the economy or seize their surplus assets for the good of the nation

3. All citizens over the age of 16 who are not currently enrolled in academics must be a member of the work force. If work is not found the government may employ them at minumum wage.


Just some thoughts

1. I beleive that member nations should expel their criminal to an island. This would releive the burden they place on a governments economy, while also deterring future crimes.

I disagree. It's much cheaper just to kill them. Fun, too.

I'm fairly certain that your second provision is rather illegal. As a matter of fact, your entire premise might be illegal. However, I wouldn't mind seeing what statements you would make to back up your opinion. Remember, when you make a proposal you're not just telling people what you want them to do. You're also persuading them that they want to do it too. Others may disagree with me on this, but that's pretty much what it seems like to me.

My economy is not in danger. We neither need nor want to take these perverse measures.

Rose
Acting Senior UN representative,
The Black New World,
Delegate to The Order of The Valiant States

I beleive someone who has sufficient endorsements should propose a resolution addressing the following items:

1. I beleive that member nations should expel their criminal to an island. This would releive the burden they place on a governments economy, while also deterring future crimes.

2. Nations should be able to expel, euthenise, or otherwise eliminate the burden elderly place on the economy or seize their surplus assets for the good of the nation

3. All citizens over the age of 16 who are not currently enrolled in academics must be a member of the work force. If work is not found the government may employ them at minumum wage.


Just some thoughts

This must be one of the most horrific set of proposals I've seen for improving global economies. Perhaps the author is wishing to satirise a particular trend in this regard, but if so, may I register my opinion that such a method is tasteless when expressed in proposal form.

Expulsion of criminals to an island will not reduce the burden on the economy stemming from crime because it won't resolve the issues creating crime and the maintenance of such a structure would be highly costly to fund.

Seizing assets and forcibly euthanising the elderly is beneath our contempt.

The mandatory work clause is well intentioned, yet fails to address the root causes of unemployment as well as creating a large number of useless jobs which, ironically, would burden the national economy even more than if nothing had been done. Works programmes are good, but only if followed up by a broad and coherent strategy, not as a knee-jerk measure for fiscal reasons.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

Well certainly my second item is not allowed in nation states. Well at least not the killing part. But perhaps if we could go about either eliminating or else reducing and completely removing the older populus from the nipple of the government we could make our economy thrive and with a stronger economy we could provide a better life for our citizens. I particularly think that the seizing of assets may work. It would make people spend their money on more goods...hopefully products that are produced in our nation, thus sending the economy up...up..and away. In short all citizens should contribute to the government more than they receive from it.

some thoughts... ?

Good point on the government jobs..... although you missed my point on the island...no funding or upkeep...they would be like australia of the past. They would have to completely rely on their self.



This must be one of the most horrific set of proposals I've seen for improving global economies. Perhaps the author is wishing to satirise a particular trend in this regard, but if so, may I register my opinion that such a method is tasteless when expressed in proposal form.

Expulsion of criminals to an island will not reduce the burden on the economy stemming from crime because it won't resolve the issues creating crime and the maintenance of such a structure would be highly costly to fund.

Seizing assets and forcibly euthanising the elderly is beneath our contempt.

The mandatory work clause is well intentioned, yet fails to address the root causes of unemployment as well as creating a large number of useless jobs which, ironically, would burden the national economy even more than if nothing had been done. Works programmes are good, but only if followed up by a broad and coherent strategy, not as a knee-jerk measure for fiscal reasons.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

My thoughts are: this is not an international issue. If you want to run your country like this, fine. Good luck. It's just not going to sell at the level of a proposal.

I'm really not certain how you would go about doing such without appearing to discriminate against a group on basis of age. I'm also rather confused as to what it is you're trying to do exactly... Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're trying to create Compulsory Consumerist States out of all the UN nations, and I know for a FACT that's illegal.

I am not saying that all these measures should be enforced ...or passed.. but I think a proposal ..perhaps not as radical as mine, could be useful. This may not be an international issue, but I would have to resign from the UN due to many of its current Resolutions that outlaw these items. I am looking to have people look a little closer at these and perhaps appeal these or provide provisions that would make a certain level of these actions legal.

Good point on the government jobs..... although you missed my point on the island...no funding or upkeep...they would be like australia of the past. They would have to completely rely on their self.

I think it's worth pointing out that Australia did receive support in the form of reasonably regular arrivals of fresh convicts, as well as the supply of materials for ensuring that the convicts didn't run wild and to suppor the administration of the new territory. It should more accurately be described as 'semi-isolated due to geographic circumstances', not intentionally so.

Furthermore, if you put all these criminals on an island and leave them to fend for themselves, what's to say they won't start committing piracy, or causing trouble for other nations in the vicinity? It seems a little unfair to them (the neighbouring nations) should this be the case.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

I am not saying that all these measures should be enforced ...or passed.. but I think a proposal ..perhaps not as radical as mine, could be useful. This may not be an international issue, but I would have to resign from the UN due to many of its current Resolutions that outlaw these items. I am looking to have people look a little closer at these and perhaps appeal these or provide provisions that would make a certain level of these actions legal.


Well, if you're going to resign....
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you're right. that is a nice desk :)

1 and 3 are legal under current laws - no repeals would have to be passed.

#2 is debatable legality, and I think I saw someone get a proposal along that lines through a full drafting process, but didn't submit due to the fact that everyone said "WTF?".

Thank you all for your thoughts

I beleive someone who has sufficient endorsements should propose a resolution addressing the following items:

1. I beleive that member nations should expel their criminal to an island. This would releive the burden they place on a governments economy, while also deterring future crimes.

2. Nations should be able to expel, euthenise, or otherwise eliminate the burden elderly place on the economy or seize their surplus assets for the good of the nation

3. All citizens over the age of 16 who are not currently enrolled in academics must be a member of the work force. If work is not found the government may employ them at minumum wage.


Just some thoughts

1) Did you get the island idea from me or, did you just now think of it? Iv'e been doing this for years. And yes, this would save government hundreds of millions of their country's currency.

2) This is sick and absurd! How about euthenising all drug users, homosexuals, prostitutes, pedophiles, rapists, murderers, thieves (even those petty children stealing candy), politicians, lawyers, all corrupt people, all sinners..... Wait, Stop! We should all be euthenised, that should solve the problem!

3) Slavery? Bigger government? I don't think so!

Actually no......but if you had it first I like it...An island was the easiest way I could think of segregating the criminal populaiton without costing the nation money. If you would like to propose option 1 I would support it and I am sure I could get at least a few other nations on board :)

An island was the easiest way I could think of segregating the criminal populaiton without costing the nation money.
How do you get them there?

Rose,
Acting Senior UN representative,
The Black New World
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How do you get them there?

Rose,
Acting Senior UN representative,
The Black New World
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Ok so some money would be spent to ship them away, but no where near the price of keeping these creeps in jails, feeding them, clothing them, etc..

Ok so some money would be spent to ship them away, but no where near the price of keeping these creeps in jails, feeding them, clothing them, etc..

Ok this won't work in Cuation: We do not have a spare island or any land to do so. To impliment this, we would have to chuck some people off it, thus annoying whoever was in poower there. Then we get plunged into civil war. Now this obvoiusly does not help us gain money so I'm wondering if GunnersShoe goverment will fight the war for us and for any damages?

Back to general matters on this:

How do you get them back if then found not guilty due to new evidence? What happens when these people become a seperate nation or a group of pirates(such like) who hate your nation? What about those made unemployed? So a youth steals once, is cuaght and is forced to live on another island rather then be imprisoned, learn and released to find a job thus helping the country?

Here is an idea:
4) all GunnersShoe goverment people must work for free and can not take any expenses from thier own nation. They will do this from a seperate island where nobody has to feed them and they mus look after themselves. They can never be put with normal people

I think this will save more money then your three idea's.

1. I beleive that member nations should expel their criminal to an island. This would releive the burden they place on a governments economy, while also deterring future crimes.

2. Nations should be able to expel, euthenise, or otherwise eliminate the burden elderly place on the economy or seize their surplus assets for the good of the nation

3. All citizens over the age of 16 who are not currently enrolled in academics must be a member of the work force. If work is not found the government may employ them at minumum wage.

I just had a thought: Have you considered solving the three problems in one go, Battle Royale style?

OK..
1. petty criminals are not who I am targeting. I did not lay out my idea as a resolution. I merely voiced a loose idea. As for the land my country would donate a small island for use. Picking at little things I did not mention is a waste as it is not a resolution. I would hope that the readers of this forum would see it OBVIOUS that such provisions would have to be stated if someone wanted to put this for a vote. It would not completely eliminate detetion centers either as I do not intend to send people to an island only to hunt them down for court. Only after convicted for Felonies or severe crimes would they be transported to the island.

2. Yes I like to have a small efficient government. Why waste money on useless government programs, whose return does not equal the input.

3. But I would say that my other 2 ideas are more for a country to decide for themselves rather than the UN

4. Battle Royale...I like...I assume you could do something like the romans did. That would be interesting.

I'm intrested in what would count as severe in your country? What do you do for petty thiefs and such like?

I hope you plan to sell tickets for the Battle Royale... how much for three tickets?

Cuation's goverment might impliment the battle royale for major crimes if conviction was beyond doubt(or my lord feels like it), thank you for the idea

Sun Loyals
Diplomat

here's an idea GunnersShoe, send the criminals and the elderly to Optischer, if they are no longer a member of the UN. you have gotten rid of them, and what Optischer does with them wouldnt reflect on you