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Repeal "UN Educational Committee"

A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution


Category: Repeal


Resolution: #54


Proposed by: New Titania

Description: UN Resolution #54: UN Educational Committee (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: REALIZING that "UN Educational Committee" takes the freedom away from independent nations to control their education system;

UNDERSTANDING that a world-government school system could eventually decompose into the brainwashing of the whole world into one system or train of thought;

SEEING that the UNEC could not possibly handle all of the various educational problems that are in national public schools,

IT IS EVIDENT that "UN Educational Committee" be repealed and that a better compromise be reached giving each NationState the freedom to govern their own school systems.

Approvals: 1 (Noctaurus)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 128 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Thu Dec 1 2005
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If you have any questions, please ask!
New Titania

You may want to include in your repeal text a mention of the misplaced apostropie which makes it so that the author's nation is technically recieving all of the benefits.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

You may want to include in your repeal text a mention of the misplaced apostropie which makes it so that the author's nation is technically recieving all of the benefits.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Rofl, lol, and lmao cannot possibly express my current state of mind. That is fucking HILARIOUS. Hadn't spotted that one before.

Rofl, lol, and lmao cannot possibly express my current state of mind. That is fucking HILARIOUS. Hadn't spotted that one before.
Most people don't notice that one until someone points it out.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

You may want to include in your repeal text a mention of the misplaced apostropie which makes it so that the author's nation is technically recieving all of the benefits.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative
But if we repeal it, what will become of the little children of Hersfold?

Well, if we dont' repeal it, then all of the world's kids could be brainwashed into one world order, world religion, or other catastrophe like that.

Of course, a follow up bill to this is to attempt to make higher standards for the national schools.

Well, if we dont' repeal it, then all of the world's kids could be brainwashed into one world order, world religion, or other catastrophe like that.

Of course, a follow up bill to this is to attempt to make higher standards for the national schools.

I'd support a repeal. But that's because I oppose UN meddling in education. Which is exactly why I wouldn't support such a follow-up.

I'd support a repeal. But that's because I oppose UN meddling in education. Which is exactly why I wouldn't support such a follow-up.
Ditto.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Hmmm. That's a good point. I suppose the UN would STILL be in the school's affairs. Well, I'm convinced...I won't try to do a follow up bill, then.

Is there a resolution proclaiming the right to education, other than this one? You can encourage countries to give basic education without imposing a unified syllabus. Anyway, I will support the repeal.

Is there a resolution proclaiming the right to education, other than this one? You can encourage countries to give basic education without imposing a unified syllabus.

Arguably Free Education (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=27).

Thanks, guys for your support! This is a really important issue, although it unfortunately only has 2 votes for it. That definitely won't cut it!

Anybody want to help publicize this bill? I've sent TGs to countless delegates, although you and I both know that this almost never works because nobody reads them. I was a delegate once, and only read about 5 of the hundreds of messages i recieved. Does anyoe have any ideas?

you have our support. anything to get the UN out of the education system. the only one we support is 'Education for All'. other than that, they should leave it alone

Thanks, guys for your support! This is a really important issue, although it unfortunately only has 2 votes for it. That definitely won't cut it!

Anybody want to help publicize this bill? I've sent TGs to countless delegates, although you and I both know that this almost never works because nobody reads them. I was a delegate once, and only read about 5 of the hundreds of messages i recieved. Does anyoe have any ideas?

Yes, aim at small region delegates (as they don't receive as much) and send a hell of a lot of TG's (about 500)

T'is the only way of getting them to quorum

Thank you, friends! :D
I've TGd about 200 now....only 300 more to go...lol

Please continue your support and tell your delegate friends!!!

Any questions on it?
New Titania

Approvals: 3 (Noctaurus, NewTexas, Fonzoland)

And you will soon get WZ Forums, I bet.

Awesome! Every endorsement counts!!

I've sent about 3/4 of my messages (I'll probably end up sending more than 500), but I think I'll save them until the morrow.

If you have any questions about this proposal or ideas about getting it publicized, please send me a wire!

New Titania

you have my support TD.

Could you perhaps provide a link to this proposal?

May the blessings of our otters be upon you

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

i have endorsed this repeal as well. the author of the act may have meant well but since the funding for this act comes from each governments own funds surely responsibility for their education systems still lies with them.

The UN already influences the education in a nations schools with other resolutions but is it really their job to micromanage each school in the 30,000+ member states?

I don't think so.

UN Educational Committee



A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Hersfold

Description: NOTICING, that the condition of many educational facilities worldwide lack the ability to properly teach thier children, in that:

Classrooms are falling into disrepair;

Teachers are unable to properly educate their students due to poor training:

And, schools do not have sufficent funds to purchase better equipment to replace old, broken and/or out-of-date materials;

SEEING that a student's mental welfare and self-esteem can be greatly improved through extra-curricular activities, which many schools can not afford or do not fund sufficently;

FINDING that the food served in many school cafeterias is not healthy, and tastes revolting besides;

SHOCKED by the fact that many school systems lack sufficent security systems to keep their students safe from dangerous trespassers and, in some cases, themselves;

HEARING that many countries cut the budget for education before anything else to aid funding for other programs;

HAVING PASSED the resolution "Free Education" on August 19th of the year 2003;

AND REALIZING that today's children are tommorrow's future, and without proper education of these children, our future will fail;

THE NATIONSTATES UNITED NATIONS shall form the United Nations Educational Committee, or UNEC, which shall resolve all of these problems in our nation's educational systems by providing funding to these systems, so they may repair unsafe schools, purchase security systems to protect our students from harm, provide extra-curricular activities to help our children's mental and physical state of being, provide them with healthier school lunches, provide a better learning environment for our children by training teachers and purchasing more up-to-date materials for the students, and overall ensuring our world's future to be a prosperous one.

Votes For: 11237

Votes Against: 7167

Implemented: Fri Apr 9 2004


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here we go :)

actually, after reading the resolution, my stance has changed from for to against. i see no problem with this. it doesent interfere with curiculum or any thing like that, it just ensures that they have a good learning environment, which to us is a good thing, not a bad thing. maybe you should have gone for repealing the more curiculum interfering resolutions than this one.

THE NATIONSTATES UNITED NATIONS shall form the United Nations Educational Committee, or UNEC, which shall resolve all of these problems in our nation's educational systems by providing funding to these systems, so they may repair unsafe schools, purchase security systems to protect our students from harm, provide extra-curricular activities to help our children's mental and physical state of being, provide them with healthier school lunches, provide a better learning environment for our children by training teachers and purchasing more up-to-date materials for the students, and overall ensuring our world's future to be a prosperous one.

Lynx, i've got a few issues with this paragraph.

the funding comes from the nations own pockets. Isn't that what you told me about UN funding last night. Its not the UN providing the funding, its the governments themselves and therefore is the governments responsibility.

Kirisubo wasn't in the UN until fairly recently and i seen nothing like the state of affairs described in the act while my brother, sister and myself were at school.

this is also vague. it dosen't specifiy what the UNEC does on the ground. Does a UN gnome have to reside in every school so they can help the head teacher out or is it a committe made up with local people in the same way as a board of govenors or a PTA group?

the act may mean well but its nannying.

Kirisubo wasn't in the UN until fairly recently and i seen nothing like the state of affairs described in the act while my brother, sister and myself were at school.
well, that means you dont have to fund much of it then. on the other hand, in other nations it can be well sub-standard. if your education facilities are up to scratch, you dont need to worry about this resolution. whilst i agree that it is up to governments, even they need reminding from time to time.

If people are so interested in making so mircomanage doesn't occur, they should join the United Nations Educational Committee, and therefore, infulence it to have no contorl over UN members' school.

It seems the less messier approach. No need for repeals.

If people are so interested in making so mircomanage doesn't occur, they should join the United Nations Educational Committee, and therefore, infulence it to have no contorl over UN members' school.

It seems the less messier approach. No need for repeals.
i agree that there should be less micromanagement, but i do think there should be a standard set for learning environments

the way i see this there shouldn't be any micro management in the first place.

we covered similar ground to this this in the debate on the IT education act. Not all nations may have top of the line equipment but they make do with what they have. Some schools may not even have access to electricity and teachers use the technology thats available to them. A blackboard and chalk are still very effective tools.

we can't apply our standards to everyone and I wouldn't dream of trying to even if i had the chance.

In my opinion, and as the author of this bill, I think that we must protect the independence of each State of the UN. I mean, if we can't even decide how to educate our own children, what's next?

In my opinion, and as the author of this bill, I think that we must protect the independence of each State of the UN. I mean, if we can't even decide how to educate our own children, what's next?
i see nothing in the resolution that tells us how to educate out children, which is quite a surprise. it is just maintaining standards for the learning environment. you can teach you children anything you want, but if the learning environment is unfit, it wont help them learn

THE NATIONSTATES UNITED NATIONS shall form the United Nations Educational Committee, or UNEC, which shall resolve all of these problems in our nation's educational systems by providing funding to these systems, so they may repair unsafe schools, purchase security systems to protect our students from harm, provide extra-curricular activities to help our children's mental and physical state of being, provide them with healthier school lunches, provide a better learning environment for our children by training teachers and purchasing more up-to-date materials for the students, and overall ensuring our world's future to be a prosperous one.


This bill resolves the "problems" in our nation's educational systems by "provid[ing] extra-curricular activities to help our children's mental and physical state of being" I believe that this has a great deal to do with 'taking over' our schools--the UN is deciding the kids' after-school fun...

"training teachers and purcahsing more up-to-date materials for the students and overall ensuring our world's future to be a prosperous one." I, for one, am NOT comfortable with the United Nations training teachers in MY nation or buying curriculum for that matter. It leaves us too succeptable to an attempt to "brainwash" kids into one way of thinking and could destroy national culture and compromise national security.

i see nothing in the resolution that tells us how to educate out children, which is quite a surprise.

Yes, it does direct how our children will be educated. It directs every aspect of it from security systems to extra-curricular activies, to the training of teachers, to the selection of curriculum... (read above for my thoughts on that...)

Sry for posting twice here, everyone.

thats the way you read it, picking one little bit out of a whole section. i read the section as one piece in that they provide funding so that teachers have the proper training, not that the UN itself trains the teachers. again, it is all down to interpretation.

Yes, but when the UN 'provides funding', they usually have a say in the happenings of that money.

We can make this debate even simpler by saying that I believe that the United Nations should have no role, whatsoever in public education.

Yes, it does direct how our children will be educated. It directs every aspect of it from security systems to extra-curricular activies, to the training of teachers, to the selection of curriculum... (read above for my thoughts on that...)
first off, as i have stated this provides funding to ensure they are there, not decides what is and isnt there. second, there is no mention what so ever in the proposal about influence over selection of curriculum. please stop your scare mongering over that section because it is irrelevent

as for un having say in what happenes with that funding, there are a few resolutions that provide funding that dont decide how it is spent, just that it is given

All right, then.

Let's use your argument about the funding. It says that it will provide funding for these projects, but it doesn't give a way of enforcing that the money gets used FOR education. This money given by the UNCEF (I believe that's the name of it) is intended for these projects, but could be used by the more corrupt governments for 'other' purposes.

Second, just where is the UN getting all of this money? A world tax that I don't know about?

whilst they dont decide how it is spent, i see the commities as ensuring it is spent on educational facilities. secondly, funding comes from the governments themselves, as it usually does. why is it that people have to dig into resolution like they have hidden agendas? to me, it is only on face value alone, and if it does provide grey areas, i assume that is the 'nation takes over from here' section. normally, yes, i do not support UN involvement in what we can and cannot teach, but in this case, it isnt what we teach, it is making sure the environment in which we teach is up to scratch, and that the teachers have the ability to teach in the first place. how is a kid going to learn if the teacher cant teach their way out of a paper bag, they are hungry because the school food is insubstantial, and the building is all but falling down around them?

Second, just where is the UN getting all of this money? A world tax that I don't know about?

I believe the UN gets it's funding entirely from bring and buy sales

after looking over some more of the points raised we've came back to the funding issues and the role of the UNEC.

I asked earlier what the UNEC did on the ground and got no answer. for all i know just maybe a gnome lives in a little house in the grounds of each school and sits on the board of governors. I would like to see this clarified so we can see exactly how much involvement they have in day to day affairs.


since it is the nations own money providing funding for this act the UNEC has no reason to be involved in the matter of the choice of a school playing rugby union or baseball.

in a non-un nation the job of the UNEC would be carried out by government based schools inspector. why should it be in any different in the UN?

since it is the nations own money providing funding for this act the UNEC has no reason to be involved in the matter of the choice of a school playing rugby union or baseball.
from my understanding, the UNEC isnt involved in the choice of playing RU or Baseball, it is just there to ensure they, or something like them are available for students. also, i dont see this as setting up one UNEC per school, i would probably say one UNEC per nation. again, i think it is over-reaction and trying to look too deep, trying to find hidden agendas

As of yesterday, the proposal failed, but I will be re-submitting it soon! Fear not, my supporters! ;)