NationStates Jolt Archive


Draft proposal: Universal wage

Lake Pahoe
28-11-2005, 03:44
Our nation would like to submit the following proposal for feedback, opinions, and corrections. In particular, input would be appreciated on the following subjects:
1. If necessary, a way to adapt the following to similar legislations in member states, such as prior minimum wage laws, to avoid countries using it to lower their standards.
2. A way to replace or rephrase point III. which should not be necessary, and was for the most part taken from another resolution, for lack of an alternative.
3. Comments on the feasability of such a proposal, and ways to adapt it if needed, hopefully not tainted by too much hostile ideology, which it will most likely face greatly once suggested to the UN itself.

We welcome input on this thread or by telegram.

Membrake, first secretary of the Socialist Party
United Socialist States of Lake Pahoe.

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The United Nations,

RECOGNIZING that the world produces enough wealth to suppress once and for all hunger, poverty and misery,

REALIZING that local legislations have not been able to face the challenge of providing a decent living to their less priviledged citizens,

CONSIDERING that millions die of hunger, thirst or poverty even in the most thriving economies,

REALIZING that countries with large disparities between wages are more responsible than others for this problem,

DEFINING the following notions:

"Universal Wage" as the average of minimum wages in all member
countries that have adopted such a legislation, adapted if needed
to a duration of one year, following local legislations concerning
work duration.

"Income disparity" of a country as the total of differences between
salaries and the average wage in a country (the Average Deviation
between wages, times the population of the country, in statistical
terms).

"Total disparity" as the sum of income disparities in all member
countries.

"Total population" as the sum of the population in every country member
to the UN.

NOTE (1): People with no income, retired, or underage, are also included when calculating the above income disparity.
NOTE (2): Calculations performed above are made using a virtual currency, which is calculated again every year, and does not have any value in itself.
NOTE (3): The four values above will be calculated again every year to adjust for variations in populations, wages, and in the currency market.

The members of the United Nations agree to abide to the following:

I. Each country will receive from the United Nations a subvention equal to their population times the Universal wage as defined above, on the condition that they initiate a minimum subsistance wage for every citizen, regardless of employment, age or any other consideration, equal or superior to said Universal wage.

II. To make the above possible, each country agrees to participate to the UN budget every year to a degree proportional to their impact on total disparity and the required sum, as such:
((Income disparity)/(Total disparity))*(Universal Wage)*(Total Population)

III. If a nation does not comply with I. or II., UN members are free to impose trade sanctions on the offending nation, except for sanctions previously banned by the UN, until the nation comes into compliance.
Forgottenlands
28-11-2005, 04:14
Woah! I thought you were originally discussing about funding for the UN, not making a standardized minimum wage. Minimum wage has thousands of more complexities to it than UN funding - starting from merely the situation of the nation in question (some nations, the people can live quite happily and healthily on a dollar a day, other nations - such as the US, the people would be dead after a week for that price).
Gruenberg
28-11-2005, 04:16
Yeah, when I gave support to your idea, it was to the idea of funding the UN...not funding a global wealth distribution program. Sorry.
Lake Pahoe
28-11-2005, 04:26
Minimum wage has thousands of more complexities to it than UN funding - starting from merely the situation of the nation in question (some nations, the people can live quite happily and healthily on a dollar a day, other nations - such as the US, the people would be dead after a week for that price).
Thus the request for suggestions for a clause making sure it does not interfere with local minimum wages laws and other social welfare laws. It might not matter much to countries with high levels of wages, but it would improve the conditions throughout the UN, without affecting adversely countries with a high level of welfare and protection for the poorest.
Forgottenlands
28-11-2005, 04:45
Thus the request for suggestions for a clause making sure it does not interfere with local minimum wages laws and other social welfare laws. It might not matter much to countries with high levels of wages, but it would improve the conditions throughout the UN, without affecting adversely countries with a high level of welfare and protection for the poorest.

No, actually. You need to have it based upon the capabilities of the nation's people - what would be considered a reasonable standard of living within the country. I am not going to let one nation live like millionaires off my funds because the cost for a product in their country is so low that the international minimum wage works horrendously to their benefit - its not good for me and it isn't good for their country - though they probably don't have any personal qualms about it.

The proposal you have submitted is first-world centric and it fails to understand the advantages of the conditions in those nations that are not so developed. It fails to realize that giving them an international level of money is ludicrous. On the other hand, if you make it so that it is set so low that it doesn't do that, then those nations who don't have a minimum wage but have a booming economy (and there's a LOT of them - the Armed Republic of Angel Fire, one of my own nations, being amongst them) will have no real minimum wage and their workers are still suffering from poverty the way third world nations once were.

So....no
Fonzoland
28-11-2005, 04:56
Your proposal has more holes than I care to find, but here are a few:

Any nation that considers the "Universal Wage" a wrong policy would pass a resolution setting its own minimum wage to zero (or if you are picky, $0.0000001), thereby reducing the "Universal Wage," just to annoy you and to reduce their contributions. Actually, other net contributers might benefit from doing that, distributing the savings back in the form of child benefit, pensions, and unemployment benefits.

Rich nations benefit more from I than poor nations, as the proportion of people below the wage is minimal, so the government would keep the money received.

I am a multi-billionaire, but my children do not earn wages. Goody goody! Averaging within family units is helpful here, and they would need to be defined.

Methods of computing your "virtual currency" are not defined, but being based in national statistics, can be manipulated as needed, as the government controls those. And they would be complicated to spell out. Purchasing power was mentioned: you can use the economic concept there, but how about the education system, national health, judicial system, etc.? Some states might not need currency at all, having all goods and services provided by the state as needed.

Maths: proportional to x_i/constant is the same as proportional to x_i. Total disparity is completely redundant.

III is either illegal or redundant, as non-compliance is against game mechanics.

My opinion in short: Commendable intentions, but way too ambitious. Complicated formulae = loopholes.
The Lynx Alliance
28-11-2005, 08:58
i know i should put in a bigger argument here, but on past experiences i am just going to shoot and say:

aint gunna happen
Kirisubo
28-11-2005, 11:45
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The Lynx Alliance
28-11-2005, 13:04
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though my fiance would kill me, your right, i do need that card