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Honestly, is a resoulution EVER not passed?!?! What's the point in voting ona UN resolution if it's going to be passed anyway?! ARGH!

If none ever get passed...then we should vote on a resolution to continue the UN!

I don't even see the point in the UN...

I don't even see the point in the UN...

Check the ends of the pens they write with

Honestly, is a resoulution EVER not passed?!?! What's the point in voting ona UN resolution if it's going to be passed anyway?! ARGH!
This question comes up frequently in the UN forum, but you wouldn't know that as you posted in the wrong forum. *sigh* Anyway, several resolutions have failed to pass.

This question comes up frequently in the UN forum, but you wouldn't know that as you posted in the wrong forum. *sigh* Anyway, several resolutions have failed to pass.

Wait, is this thread about the real UN or the NS UN?:confused:

Honestly, is a resoulution EVER not passed?!?! What's the point in voting ona UN resolution if it's going to be passed anyway?! ARGH!

The reason that so many UN proposals are passed is because they are well written and thought out; they have to be to even make it through the screening process to a UN vote.

I don't even see the point in the UN...

It's called a role-playing game. That's what we do. We role play. I agree that it would be nice if the game allowed for greater influence from passed UN proposals, but the point of the UN as it stands is to present and discuss these things. It's all politics.

This question comes up frequently in the UN forum, but you wouldn't know that as you posted in the wrong forum. *sigh* Anyway, several resolutions have failed to pass.
Well...looking at the un history.....pass...pass...pass...pass...pass...pass...{copy and paste pass as many times as felt necessary.....}.....

That would be because only the passed ones are recorded in the resolution history.

The reason that so many UN proposals are passed is because they are well written and thought out; they have to be to even make it through the screening process to a un vote.
In this case, is a proposal is well written and thought out, it seems that it should automatically pass, as it will eventually be passed anyway, completely throwing out the useless voting portion...

That would be because only the passed ones are recorded in the resolution history.
Well then where is there evidence that a resolution has failed a pass before the un members?

Wait, is this thread about the real UN or the NS UN?:confused:
The policy may be applied to both....

....except the REAL un occasionally decides to not pass a resolution...

I don't even see the point in the UN...
On the game or in real life. Learn some history if the anwers real life.

Honestly, is a resoulution EVER not passed?!?! What's the point in voting ona UN resolution if it's going to be passed anyway?! ARGH!

Well, it won't be passed if the majority votes against it, will it?

And, as others have asked, real-life or NS?

Well, I can't provide any evidence, but i do know that people try to make completely ridiculous proposals quite frequently just to mess around. The proposals have to be ratified by a certain number of UN delegates. As the delegate for my region, I recently received a draft of a possible proposal to approve. If I received some totally ludicrous draft, I would refuse to support it.

And as for your previous point, the UN voting is done so that each individual member nation can decide for itself what it wants. Unfortunately, the opinion of the delegate does not always represent that of the represented. This is just so that each nation can have its say.

No offense, but the NS UN resolutions SUCK. Not only do they slowly, but surely, control our contries, but they also take away OUR rights to OUR countries.

Not only are they the world "police", but they also are the World's Government, controlling every nation on this website who's part of the UN.

It sucks. We need the power to control OUR countries, they should have no rights to these horrible acts, like the IT act which takes away our children's futures, and the Small Buisiness Act, which takes away from our economy.

This is the NSUN, for those who asked.

Wait, is this thread about the real UN or the NS UN?:confused:

The NS UN.

I don't even see the point in the UN...

Please tell me you're talking about the NS UN. If not, then learn history. They've solved many things that other countries were to "busy" to solve, NAMELY the Rwanda Genocide.

Well, I can't provide any evidence, but i do know that people try to make completely ridiculous proposals quite frequently just to mess around. The proposals have to be ratified by a certain number of UN delegates. As the delegate for my region, I recently received a draft of a possible proposal to approve. If I received some totally ludicrous draft, I would refuse to support it.

And as for your previous point, the UN voting is done so that each individual member nation can decide for itself what it wants. Unfortunately, the opinion of the delegate does not always represent that of the represented. This is just so that each nation can have its say.
Yes...ill have to agree that there are ridiculous proposals created, however, i'm talking about the proposals that pass inspection and go on to a un vote. I have had various nations for about a year, and i can't ever seem to happen across a UN resoulution that is being voted AGAINST. I understand that individual nations need their say, but should they understand the fact that the resolution is most likely going to be passed anyway, then there really isn't a point in a vote is there?

No offense, but the UN resolutions SUCK. Not only do they slowly, but surely, control our contries, but they also take away OUR rights to OUR countries.

I'm sure that you realize that UN membership is not mandatory. Besides, you can still influence these decisions even if you're not a member nation; present your views on the resolution threads. If you're unhappy with the UN, do something about it. Resign from the UN, or submit a proposal that limits its power, I don't know.

No offense, but the NS UN resolutions SUCK. Not only do they slowly, but surely, control our contries, but they also take away OUR rights to OUR countries.

Not only are they the world "police", but they also are the World's Government, controlling every nation on this website who's part of the UN.

It sucks. We need the power to control OUR countries, they should have no rights to these horrible acts, like the IT act which takes away our children's futures, and the Small Buisiness Act, which takes away from our economy.
I completely agree with many of these points...however, i dont think that the un is trying to control our nations, i just see it as the fact that a un member is going to say...hmm....this resoluition is long and involved. As opposed to reading it, I'm going to vote FOR it because it LOOKS good. It is most likely THESE actions which in the long run will overpower our nations.

No offense, but the NS UN resolutions SUCK. Not only do they slowly, but surely, control our contries, but they also take away OUR rights to OUR countries.

Not only are they the world "police", but they also are the World's Government, controlling every nation on this website who's part of the UN.

It sucks. We need the power to control OUR countries, they should have no rights to these horrible acts, like the IT act which takes away our children's futures, and the Small Buisiness Act, which takes away from our economy.

won't anyone think of our (pretend) children????

I completely agree with many of these points...however, i dont think that the un is trying to control our nations, i just see it as the fact that a un member is going to say...hmm....this resoluition is long and involved. As opposed to reading it, I'm going to vote FOR it because it LOOKS good. It is most likely THESE actions which in the long run will overpower our nations.

True. People need to read things more, but some people have such short attention spans (deadly, but so do some Regional Delegates) that they don't want to read it, and they just look at the name and say "Yes I like how this sounds".

I'm sure that you realize that UN membership is not mandatory. Besides, you can still influence these decisions even if you're not a member nation; present your views on the resolution threads. If you're unhappy with the UN, do something about it. Resign from the UN, or submit a proposal that limits its power, I don't know.
Yes, the fact that a mandatory membership isn't in the equation is correct, however, how can one expect to try and get rid of ridiculous resolutions if they are not a member of the un? i'm sure a regional delegate would be most unhappy if all of their endorsers leave the un because they are unhappy about it's actions....on the contrary, they would want to stay in the un to try and get rid of some of the resolutions.

Yes...ill have to agree that there are ridiculous proposals created, however, i'm talking about the proposals that pass inspection and go on to a un vote. I have had various nations for about a year, and i can't ever seem to happen across a UN resoulution that is being voted AGAINST. I understand that individual nations need their say, but should they understand the fact that the resolution is most likely going to be passed anyway, then there really isn't a point in a vote is there?

Hmm, I see your point. Well, my nation is relatively new, and I've never seen an unsuccessful proposal yet. However, there have been a whole lot of repeals lately. If you check the UN history, which I know you have, you'll find that many of the first few have been repealed. No decision made by the UN is permanent; if a resolution is repealed, it's as good as unpassed.

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Category:Failed_Resolutions

Yes, the fact that a mandatory membership isn't in the equation is correct, however, how can one expect to try and get rid of ridiculous resolutions if they are not a member of the un? i'm sure a regional delegate would be most unhappy if all of their endorsers leave the un because they are unhappy about it's actions....on the contrary, they would want to stay in the un to try and get rid of some of the resolutions.

The actions I listed were simply options for Victonia's predicament. I agree with you completely that membership in the UN is necessary to change its policy.

Thank you for the link. Now, we see that, although there are not as many failed proposals as there are passed ones, they are out there.

Well, if you all would like to see more discussion on this topic, I suggest that you go to the official UN thread.

Hmm, I see your point. Well, my nation is relatively new, and I've never seen an unsuccessful proposal yet. However, there have been a whole lot of repeals lately. If you check the UN history, which I know you have, you'll find that many of the first few have been repealed. No decision made by the UN is permanent; if a resolution is repealed, it's as good as unpassed.
Great point. Most of the repeals have been for the greater good. However, the moment that the repeals start getting passed unanimously, the same pattern will most likely happen again. The few good resolutions that have been passed could end up getting repealed, with the same mindset " oh no, what were we thinking, if a resolution is getting repealed, it's our fault, so lets make up for it and vote FOR the repeal act" GRRR no matter what happens, EVERY resolution will be passed! there is no end to it! If a new resolution/ repealment is thought up and made into a vote, it should just automatically be passed. It's that simple, becuas eit will end up getting passed anyway. (if history repeats itself, that is)

Good point, I didn't think of that. So I guess the moral of the story is: do what you want. Go along with the UN, resign, try to change it, you name it. We all have our different viewpoints on the current situation and what to do about it, so this discussion, although very interesting, is probably ultimately useless. Oh well, I had fun. Haven't had a discussion this involved for a looooong time. Besides, it's time for lunch:D

No offense, but the NS UN resolutions SUCK. Not only do they slowly, but surely, control our contries, but they also take away OUR rights to OUR countries.

Not only are they the world "police", but they also are the World's Government, controlling every nation on this website who's part of the UN.

It sucks. We need the power to control OUR countries, they should have no rights to these horrible acts, like the IT act which takes away our children's futures, and the Small Buisiness Act, which takes away from our economy.
first of all, the UN isnt allowed to have a police or armed force, so i dont know where you got that one from.

second, as soon as you join the NSUN you give up a little bit of your sovereignty. there is a group called the NSO which usually tries to limit this (and is a reason quite a few proposals dont make it to quarum). if you are unhappy about certain proposals, get your thinking cap on and make a decent repeal. i am sure there is quite a few that would support you

If you don't like UN resolutions and feel the entire policy held by the UN is one that you don't agree with, don't come in. Membership is not mandatory.

When I initially took the role as Ambassador, I did not have a UN nation. Later I created a puppet to take the role of UN member for me. Now that nation is delegate for my region. You take the time and invest it into the UN, you will make a difference - whether you are in the UN or not.

Our screening process isn't about who's got the best resolution, but whether we can clean them up as much as possible. We have no control on whether the proposal reaches quarom or not. There are various tactics used to try and stop resolutions up for vote and resolutions such as Solar Panels passed a few months ago we were able to repeal only 10 days later after a lot of hard and fast work by various active members on the UN forums. No it isn't perfect, but it does work in the long run.

Somehow you've managed to confuse UN Resolutions with a broken rapier...