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It seems to me that the world is getting pretty crowded. And it seems to be a global problem. So I thought that every country should have free birth control, to help keep down overcrowding.
Also the use of Birth control helps keep Aid's and other STD's down.
I'll propose the draft in a day or two after reading your comments and changing my draft.
Optischer
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Free Birth Control

Proposed by: Optischer

Description: A proposal aimed to provide free birt control to help reduce STD's and birth rates in countries of the UN.
STD's are a global problem, and prevention must be provided. This proposal requests that:

1. Basic condoms be distrubuted to Men and Women of Sexual Maturity

2. That the correct application of a basic condom is educated to all people who are learning sexual maturity in schools

3. That education of STD's and cause and prevention be taught in sexual education classes.

4. All people of sexual maturity be tested for STD's

It also requests that:

1. Women be provided with contraception on being advised of the effects, and all information about the medication prescribed

2. Women are able to have an abortion with the consent of two doctors, up to the period of when a foetus can feel emotion.

The definiton of a basic condom is one that protects against STD's and Birth, no frills, such as ribbing or flavoured.

The age of Sexual Maturity will be posted soon.

OOC: considering population increases every day your nation is in existence I 'd say that over population isn't a problem.

IC: We don't object to a proposal promoting birth control but we'd like to see a draft first.

Giordano,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World

Now this is an idea I could possibly support :).

You'll need to drop the abortion bit though as thats already fully legal in UN nations under an existing resolution.

Also not sure what a "basic" condom is. Perhaps you may need to explain/define that.

LAE also mostly agree

just, education about STD and birth control methods is already urged (even if not requestd) by resolution 118

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=117

OOC: [again] once upon a time myopia and I co-wrote a sex education proposal. It never went anywhere (my fault) and I don't know what happened to it.

seems a noble idea, but i dont think we would support it. there is no garentee that the free distrabution of condoms is going to impeed on the birth rate because it has known to be forgotten or not used because the individual prefers the 'natural feel'. we also have subsidies in place at the moment for female contraceptives to make them a reasonable price, and also education as well. it is our feeling that this is best left up to the individual, and implementing this is going to be a waste of money.

OOC: this would have no effect anyway. even with migration, deaths and births taken into account, the population rises anyway, due to game mechanics. i have to admit it would be an interesting idea to have negative population growth, though.

the sex education act dosen't go into that much detail and certainly dosen't mention handing out free condoms or birth control devices.

maybe this proposal could go into more detail but the original act would have to be repealed before a new proposal could be submitted.

Also the use of Birth control helps keep Aid's and other STD's down..


I've not read the proposal but feel the above makes it not worth reading. As unless you only use Condoms as birth control you will fail to get this proven as a fact to anyone. If you only use pills then unprotected sex will happen thus.... How can you say this.

Also many people will increase the sexual act just because they feel safer on all counts.. Main one producing unwanted kids. Just as no birth control is perfect then prevention or reduction of AIDs and STDs can never be perfect and the more one has sex the greater the risk is of a problem....

Show me a perfect form of birth control that also cuts down on the risk of these and maybe would consider it. Except for no sex at all.. and that ain't going to happen if you have free so called birth control handed out...

We rise to vehemently oppose any resolution that seeks to limit population growth in Our nation. We are proud of the fact that Our people breed like rabbits, and defy any nation to justify why more Kawaiian children shouldn't be brought into this world.

I am not saying more Kawaiian children should not be born, and you can very well keep your 'breeding like rabbits' population. All I'm suggesting is Free Birth control should be available to those who request it.

I am not saying more Kawaiian children should not be born, and you can very well keep your 'breeding like rabbits' population. All I'm suggesting is Free Birth control should be available to those who request it.

Except that "free birth control" is not free. Someone has to pay for it, either directly or indirectly through taxation. Why should Our people be burdened with a government expense they do not wish for?

Monetary considerations aside, one should also look at the moral aspect of this proposal. This proposal promotes the myth of "safe sex" through the use of mechanical contrivance supposedly intended to negate the possible negative consequences from it. Thus, it subverts the development of moral character enabling young men and women to recognize those hazards and avoid them altogether. As a result, this proposal would result in the promotion of sexual behavior outside of Our nation's accepted cultural standards.

Our nation already has a well-established sexual education program, in compliance with NSUN Resolution #118. We see no need to alter this program, and oppose vehemently any attempt to change it which may lead to the promotion of immoral sexual behavior.

OOC: [again] once upon a time myopia and I co-wrote a sex education proposal. It never went anywhere (my fault) and I don't know what happened to it.

Did we? I've just glanced at my old NS files (I never dump a proposal text), and can't find anything. It might be on my other computer, but I don't remember that. Are you sure you're not thinking of the organ donation thing we worked on?

1. Basic condoms be distrubuted to Men and Women of Sexual Maturity

Sounds good. Although I'd go for a wider range than just condoms. Also, consider the non-human citizens of UN nations.

2. That the correct application of a basic condom is educated to all people who are learning sexual maturity in schools

Fine, though the wording could be improved somewhat.

3. That education of STD's and cause and prevention be taught in sexual education classes.

Excellent.

4. All people of sexual maturity be tested for STD's

Hell no. Forcing someone to undergo an invasive medical test such as taking a blood sample without their consent is tantamount to assault.

2. Women are able to have an abortion with the consent of two doctors, up to the period of when a foetus can feel emotion.

You can't mess with the pre-existing legislation on this matter, which is an absolute guarantee of abortion rights.

Did we? I've just glanced at my old NS files (I never dump a proposal text), and can't find anything. It might be on my other computer, but I don't remember that. Are you sure you're not thinking of the organ donation thing we worked on?

I can't remember that but I don't have the best memory so it probably was. I have a hand written sex education proposal somewhere though…

We rise to vehemently oppose any resolution that seeks to limit population growth in Our nation. We are proud of the fact that Our people breed like rabbits, and defy any nation to justify why more Kawaiian children shouldn't be brought into this world.

I think that the idea that "every nation in the UN should control population growth" is a lot less appealing than "erradicating STD's" and the "individual freedom to decide on family size." I suggest rewriting the motivations in these terms.

It would possibly appease The Eternal Kawaii and the NatSov crowd, as each nation would be free to decide whether controlling population growth is a national goal or not, while being encouraged to allow free choice and easy access to contraceptive methods anyway.

Sincerely,
The Wise Ruler of The Most Serene Republic of Fonzoland

You can't mess with the pre-existing legislation on this matter, which is an absolute guarantee of abortion rights.


Trouble is 118 does guarantee them the right to one just nowhere in it makes any nation give it to them in their borders.. If you read it close it says mainly that they can have one..... doesn't say it has to be where they desire it or who pays for it or for that matter who gives it to them... Thus leaves it up to nations to allow them to get one where they can... without anything to stop them.

But as that clause is in the one that says two doctors then it could well be considered an amendment to 118 setting that as a rule was not inculded but might have in it... Thus not allowed unless 118 is repealed first so you can add that to abortion requirments for them..

I am not saying more Kawaiian children should not be born, and you can very well keep your 'breeding like rabbits' population. All I'm suggesting is Free Birth control should be available to those who request it.
Fine then, you can provide it for your nation but I fail to see why the UN should be involved, especially if your goal is to slow population growth then you are failing to take into consideration the fact the the non member nations wouldn't be affected by this proposal and they make up the majority on nations.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

supplying free condoms isnt going to reduce the population growth and is not cost effective. sorry for my crudness here, but the simplest way to put it is that you can give a guy a condom, but unless you physically put it on his penis, it doesnt do anything (wow, i did that without crudness)