NationStates Jolt Archive

I just proposed the Immigration Reform Act, which would end undocumented immigration by

A) Instituting a worldwide ID card

B) Requiring individuals to notify their current and future nations of residence when they wish to immigrate to another nation

and C) Require nations to open their borders to allow for free immigration between countries, providing that the immigrants are documented

This will make sure that those who do wish to immigrate can do so safely, and the country that they are immigrating to will know that they are there, and will be able to provide for them as best they can.

You can read the wording of the Act in the proposal section of the UN.

-Tyler

No, no and no. i think something similar to this, at least the UN ID card, and it failed. i think this one will be shot down harshly

Well, it is common practise to post the proposal and link to it. But based o just the general ideas presented here, I say this would present too many problems to be practical. But I really cant go into more detail without actually reading the wording of the proposal.

OOC:

I'm feeling kind right now, so I went and found your proposal. In future, please post it yourself.

Immigration Reform Act
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Crulan

Description: WHEREAS undocumented immigrants cross borders illegally into nations neighboring their own and;

WHEREAS these immigrants pose a threat to the security of the nation which they immigrate to and;

WHEREAS these immigrants pose significant problems to determining education and welfare budgets in both their parent and current nations and;

WHEREAS these immigrants, being undocumented, are not afforded many of the comforts and privileges given in their current nation;

BE IT RESOLVED by the United Nations here assembled that:

1. All nations shall institute a national identification system in which all citizens of said nations shall be issued an identification card

2. Said identification cards must have the citizen’s full name, age, height, photograph, place of residence, and any other information the nation deems necessary to add

3. All nations shall open their borders to immigrants provided that said immigrants register their intended move with their parent and future nations and provide some aptitude in survival in their future nation

4. No nation shall impose an immigration quota or restriction on immigration from any country, regardless of the diplomatic standings of a nation with another

Respectfully sumbitted by Tyler Alderson of the Rogue Nation of Crulan
First off, it's illegal under branding laws.

Now, to address your points in turn:

WHEREAS undocumented immigrants cross borders illegally into nations neighboring their own and;

WHEREAS these immigrants pose a threat to the security of the nation which they immigrate to and;

WHEREAS these immigrants pose significant problems to determining education and welfare budgets in both their parent and current nations and;

WHEREAS these immigrants, being undocumented, are not afforded many of the comforts and privileges given in their current nation;

Fair enough. Makes sense, mostly, though I'm not convinced by the welfare argument.

1. All nations shall institute a national identification system in which all citizens of said nations shall be issued an identification card

Why should we? What has this to do with immigration? Passports surely suffice.

2. Said identification cards must have the citizen’s full name, age, height, photograph, place of residence, and any other information the nation deems necessary to add

Why those specific things? My passport doesn't list height, and it is considered perfectly valid identification everywhere in the world. Neither does my driver's license, which works well in Australia.

3. All nations shall open their borders to immigrants provided that said immigrants register their intended move with their parent and future nations and provide some aptitude in survival in their future nation

No. No nation is going to open its borders completely unless it is going through a disaster of catastrophic degree. Australia can't cope with unfettered immigration due to natural resources. Are you suggesting we should just let anyone in who happens to have ID?

4. No nation shall impose an immigration quota or restriction on immigration from any country, regardless of the diplomatic standings of a nation with another

That's never going to fly. If countries are at war, they are going to close borders. Just because someone has ID doesn't mean they're not going to attack you from within. Just because someone doesn't have ID doesn't mean they are going to attack you.

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May I suggest you read: Rules for UN Proposals (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465)
Epidemic Prevention Protocol (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7243294&postcount=78) which includes quarantine of infected peoples, possibly stopping immigration.

now i have seen the proposal.... the opinon hasnt changed. the biggest sticking point is the ID card. it almost sounds like the RL smart card australia was going to introduce, but didnt.

OOC: Enn, you from AU too?

now i have seen the proposal.... the opinon hasnt changed. the biggest sticking point is the ID card. it almost sounds like the RL smart card australia was going to introduce, but didnt.

OOC: Enn, you from AU too?
Yep, Aussie here.

I simply don't see the need of a national identity card, distinct to passports and driver's licenses. Crulan, if they are acceptible under your proposal as forms of identity, that would be fine.

Now I have read it fully and I can say I oppose every single word of this. You fail to even mention criminals or suspected terrorist and other dangers to national security. You also want every nation to accept everyone just because they have some card. And you ask people to inform their parent to immigrate. How about 90 yo people, huh?

While we appreciate the efforts of the honorable representative of Crulan to tackle a very real and troubling issue, we regret that we cannot support this proposal.

3. All nations shall open their borders to immigrants provided that said immigrants register their intended move with their parent and future nations and provide some aptitude in survival in their future nation

By stating aptitude for survival as the only allowable criterion for immigration, the proposal would force a country to allow career criminals, known terrorists, etc., to enter their borders at will. In addition, countries may need to restrict immigration due to overpopulation, shortages of food and other necessities, etc.

4. No nation shall impose an immigration quota or restriction on immigration from any country, regardless of the diplomatic standings of a nation with another

Again, we find this unrealistic. Why should we be forced to accept immigrants from a country with which we are at war? Should we be required to allow our nation to be flooded with immigrants from a nation whose interests run counter to ours (a "peaceful invasion")?

We believe that nations have both a right and a duty to control immigration into their country and to set whatever immigration standards they find necessary.

Hurlbot Barfanger
Ambassador to the United Nations

Agreed, which is why I've just drafted the NatSov freindly Passport and Visa Act (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=454974)

IN effect, terms A and B seem aceptable. Documenting immigrants, where they came from and where they're going.
But term C is the reason these proposals are usually rejected. UN and non-UN countries should be given more power to control their borders, and hopefully not lose them like the UK has to the EU.
I thought the UN was for peace, not for red tape like the EU!

I never said that they needed a parental notification. I said they needed to notify their "parent country" aka wherever they are emigrating from.

Oh, and driver's licenses and passports work. They are national ID cards. I put that in there so that it would be mandatory for, say, a nondriver to have some kind of ID (whether it be a passport or something).

The ID cards ideally would be uniform in all countries, and would function as driver's licenses and passports.

As for the criminal thing, I guess I didn't think of that. Damn.

Also, I guess I didn't make it clear that this would not be an "oh, I'm at the border and have my forms and now I can drive right through" kind of deal. You'd apply and it would take some time, like it is now.

OOC: we have drivers licenses and proof of age cards here in every state in AU. its a state based thing, not federal, and i think the same goes for the US. the thing is the way you initially applied it, it was like the Smart Card they were going to introduce here years ago, which was kinda like a tracking card, a la a big brother society. as it is, they have a similar thing, in that all bank card details go thru canberra to keep tabs on where you are and how much you spend anyway.... damn banks...