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The Right to Live outlaws all attempts to kill therefore destroying the death penalty. As such a Right exists, yet omits Death Penalty, I call for the Right to disable Death by Murder, Death Penalty, Suicide charges (where the person is unable to live, therefore putting an end to life to end suffering) and all Legal and Ilegal forms of Death. All Death Penalty charges will be replaced by Life sentence. The Right to Live outlaws Torture and other forms of needless suffering.

The Right to Live does not include RP games on NS, as nobody is actually hurt.

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Do you have a proposal or just vague impossible goals?

Rose,
UN representative,
The Black New World

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here begins another attempt to interfere with our nations justice systems.

so far all we've seen is a vague collection of aims. a draft proposal make would it easier to see exactly what you are planning.

i may not end up agreeing with you but bringing this out into the open would be preferable to you submitting a half baked proposal.

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The Right to Live outlaws all attempts to kill therefore destroying the death penalty. As such a Right exists, yet omits Death Penalty, I call for the Right to disable Death by Murder, Death Penalty, Suicide charges (where the person is unable to live, therefore putting an end to life to end suffering) and all Legal and Ilegal forms of Death. All Death Penalty charges will be replaced by Life sentence. The Right to Live outlaws Torture and other forms of needless suffering.

Please help improve this Right

Outlawing ALL attempts to kill would also outlaw war, would outlaw euthanasia (which is a protected right) and so forth....

It might not work so much.

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The Right to Live outlaws all attempts to kill therefore destroying the death penalty. As such a Right exists, yet omits Death Penalty, I call for the Right to disable Death by Murder, Death Penalty, Suicide charges (where the person is unable to live, therefore putting an end to life to end suffering) and all Legal and Ilegal forms of Death. All Death Penalty charges will be replaced by Life sentence. The Right to Live outlaws Torture and other forms of needless suffering.

The death penalty should be changed, not withdrawn. Pisoners in my country, if they receive a life or death sentence, are not sent to jail, instead they are sent to genetic experimentation labs. It may sound cruel, but they deserve this for their unjustifiable actions.

Let us not abolish it but restrict the death penalty.

Suicide charges and all legal forms of death e.g. Euthanasia, should be implemented to allow people to die with dignity, rather then suffer.

Illegal death and murder should be stopped, but assassinations must be kept, as they offer a last solution to peace.

Go against this act unless the Author changes it to my approval, I beg you.

The free state of Optischer,
Commander of all who see it our way.

As I have said before, Habardia will never support any proposal even mentioning the DP. It goes against our beliefs in NatSov. So......NO.

Ummmm. I've tried both anti DP and a reduced DP proposal both got a harsh grilling here and the last anti DP proposal failed to meet the quorum at all.

if anything needs the death penalty, its this topic that has been brought up
YET AGAIN!!!

if anything needs the death penalty, its this topic that has been brought up
YET AGAIN!!!
Amen.

Just to let you know, a lot of people who would support a ban of the death penalty will be edgy supporting something called 'Right to Live' - it is very close to 'Right to Life', the term used by anti-abortionists. You don't want to turn people away just because of the proposal title.

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Er, is this supposed to represent the firing squad you hope to ban?



Or is it just two guys having a little too much fun with a sniper rifle?

As we do not have firing squads we have one solution to this. Expelling them from our island nation. All they have to do is swim the six hundred or so miles to the nearest neighbor nation and they are free. As they lose all rights to purchase anything they can't buy a ticket on a plane or boat off the island.. Those that refuse to leave are simply hung... their family given a chance to claim the body and if nobody does they become shark food..

Thus any proposal to interfer with our justice system will not be supported by us..

Outlawing ALL attempts to kill would also outlaw war, would outlaw euthanasia (which is a protected right) and so forth....

It might not work so much.

Ok, I get the idea. War, in case of RP is allowed. But having the right to live should be considered.

Also, if you're wondering about this:
:sniper: :mp5: It repersents the idea of killing somebody who has killed, making you as bad as the first person...

Ok, I get the idea. War, in case of RP is allowed. But having the right to live should be considered.


Euthanasia.
Some people would argue that this contravenes the Abortion Rights resolution (for those nations who argue a fetus is alive, this would effectively outlaw abortion in those nations, which is not permissible)

Some people would argue that this contravenes the Abortion Rights resolution (for those nations who argue a fetus is alive, this would effectively outlaw abortion in those nations, which is not permissible)

I think that abortion rights should be repealed for the same reason.

I think that abortion rights should be repealed for the same reason.

heh, good luck with that! I'm certainly going to oppose it.

National legal systems should remain national, not the domain of the UN.

Opposed, Opposed......oh, Opposed.

I think that abortion rights should be repealed for the same reason.

Well - that leads to two problems.

First - you can't repeal abortion rights in this proposal. You would have to submit a repeal, get that passed, and then pass this resolution.

Secondly - I disagree with you and will fight you every step of the way

Thirdly - If that is your goal in this, then the proposal is entirely illegal and will have to be scrapped - if it is submitted it might (should) get deleted (I am not a mod, and I am not threatening any actions - I am just basing it on past experience)

Fourthly - I can't count very well apparently.

This might be an illegal proposal without repealling Right to Refuse Extradition

AFFIRMING ALSO that this resolution shall not affect each nation's sovereign right to allow or ban capital punishment within its own borders

Kudos to Pallatium for noticing this.

This might be an illegal proposal without repealling Right to Refuse Extradition



AFFIRMING ALSO that this resolution shall not affect each nation's sovereign right to allow or ban capital punishment within its own borders


Kudos to Pallatium for noticing this.

See - I don't think that's the case. If the resolution had said

"Affirms the right of nations to decide whether to use capital punishment or not" then it would probably be the case. But you can ban the death penatly without repealing this, because even if the death penalty is banned, it doesn't mean that this resolution has done it. (If that makes any sense)

See - I don't think that's the case. If the resolution had said

"Affirms the right of nations to decide whether to use capital punishment or not" then it would probably be the case. But you can ban the death penatly without repealing this, because even if the death penalty is banned, it doesn't mean that this resolution has done it. (If that makes any sense)

Extradition protects the rights of member states to make their own decision on the death penalty. So if you banned the death penalty, it would possibly go against Extradition because it would remove the nations rights to decide.

The uncanny thing about Human nature is that we all want peace until someone does something so bad that we want kill them.
Raping a baby is bad, real bad. disturbingly bad.
repeat offenders even worse.
Killing of your brother, sister, mother, father, spouse makes someone mad, real mad, sometimes disturbingly mad.
I'm all for killing someone to stop them from hurting or killing someone but
that is situational.
Should Timothy McVey been killed for the murder of many innocent people?
I know that it made many people very mad. very very mad. Disturbingly angery.
But in a civilized nation, world, we have very intelligent, creative people who can come up with alternatives to the death penalty. In fact justice can be served far better if those who commit a heinous crime can be punished by living instead of dying.
The death penalty has been and will always be the construction of mediocre minds who cannot look past act to the possibilities.
The death penalty is a shameful lack of human integrity.
The death penalty is the lazy man's way out.

I concur that something better should be written in the "Right to Life"

Something that would give someone pause to think, "Yes, this is why we don't need the death penalty!!!"

The death penalty is the lazy man's way out.

Then call me lazy. (I would respond to the rest of your post, but I'm busy swillin' beer, chewin' corn, and scratchin' my crotch.)

Something that would give someone pause to think, "Yes, this is why we don't need the death penalty!!!"
the problem here is that you are fighting a fight that will never get out of a stalemate situation. given that you have nations which do not like the death penalty opposing anti-DP proposals based on NatSov, it is kinda hard to actually eliminate it. many a crusade has been led against this and many a time it has failed, and i would probably be right in saying that a lot of people would want this topic to die.

I think in exchange of the death penalty, countries with compulsory organ harvesting should harvest the organs of life sentence prisoners, and perform genetic surgery on them, in place of animals and human Guinea Pigs. This not only solves two problems, it saves money buy not having to feed and care for prisoners. It reduces prsion crowding, which means less prisons, meaning more free space, and it also increases the amount of donor organs available, and decreases the amount donated by the poor, which, if the country chooses too, are given tax cuts and other incentives to work harder, and eliminate poverty. It solves many problems by replacing the death penalty, but onto the current proposal.
Scrap it. It needs a think through!
optischer

The phrase "of donororgans" is ironic in the way that they are not voluntarily donated.

Optischer has an interesting idea, the only problem being the ethics involved. people might find it unethical treating a human being, no matter how bad they seem, like a human guinea pig, and some countries actually have a ban or a limited ban on experimenting on humans

Well, maybe we could perform it outside of public knowledge. So we aren't lying to them, we're just not telling them what's happening. Maybe some countries outside the UN who've been refused entry, would accept the industry.
It would be a serious advance in releasing ethics in favour of doing what's right for society.
Also, to convince some countries, the enviromentally friendly might be able to see how we are 'recycling' the human body.

Well, maybe we could perform it outside of public knowledge. So we aren't lying to them, we're just not telling them what's happening. Maybe some countries outside the UN who've been refused entry, would accept the industry.
It would be a serious advance in releasing ethics in favour of doing what's right for society.
Also, to convince some countries, the enviromentally friendly might be able to see how we are 'recycling' the human body.
the only thing here is that UN countries wouldnt be covered by it anyway, and they probabley have it going. the other thing is that if you put it in a resolution, it is very much in public knowledge

Extradition protects the rights of member states to make their own decision on the death penalty. So if you banned the death penalty, it would possibly go against Extradition because it would remove the nations rights to decide.

Well - no. The resolution says that "this resolution" protects those rights, not "The UN protects" those rights.

But I suppose this is yet another interpretation of UN law issue that we aren't going to resolve.

The uncanny thing about Human nature is that we all want peace until someone does something so bad that we want kill them.


Not all. I can never imagine wanting to kill someone in revenge for their crime.


But in a civilized nation, world, we have very intelligent, creative people who can come up with alternatives to the death penalty. In fact justice can be served far better if those who commit a heinous crime can be punished by living instead of dying.


Yeah - but not every nation is civilized. That much should be obvious. Further more if you put someone to death, it is over with quickly and (generally) painlessly, or as painless as it can be made. If you stop someone executing someone, they can come up with a whole load of other alternatives that are FAR less appealing and FAR less civilized.


The death penalty has been and will always be the construction of mediocre
minds who cannot look past act to the possibilities.


Or a mind that has tried every other alternative and found all of them lacking in one way or another.


The death penalty is a shameful lack of human integrity.


And yet a lot of so called holy books say "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" -- a life for a life.


The death penalty is the lazy man's way out.


Given the amount of time and effort it takes to go through the process of condemming somone, then executing them, I would say that it is not the lazy way out but a remarkably hard and complicated way out.


I concur that something better should be written in the "Right to Life"

Something that would give someone pause to think, "Yes, this is why we don't need the death penalty!!!"

Yeah - you are never going to find that. Look at me - I oppose the death penalty with every single fibre of my being. It is the most appalling thing that a nation can do to a citizen that it is required to protect by law and by morals. I would never let it come to pass in Pallatium (only one execution was ever performed in my nation's history, and even that was illegal at the time it was performed) because it would just be - wrong.

And yet I disagree with you about "The Right To Life"

So imagine how nations who support the death penalty will view your proposal :}

If and when you have succesfully abolished murder, treason, illegal dealing in hard drugs, terroism and piracy, on a NS-wide basis, we will accept a ban on the death penalty... but not until then.

A country should be in control of its own justice system as long as its just! a death penalty is right as long it is proved the criminal has commited the crime and the crime is horrific

But in a civilized nation, world, we have very intelligent, creative people who can come up with alternatives to the death penalty. In fact justice can be served far better if those who commit a heinous crime can be punished by living instead of dying.


Then I have a solution for this. Why don't YOU take all our so called bad people and support them away from a society that don't want them. That every moment they continue to live beyond the day they committed their crime is raping, killing, and hurting honest citizens who have to pay for them being in so call prison for life. As we have found a solution to this problem.

Hang em and be done with them... Don't let them rape, kill, our hurt honest hard working citizens again and again and again while they sit in some prioson of hospital or whaterver. Any space or funding toward them takes from honest citizens... what they might work hard for..

If we outlaw the death penalty then our jail would over flow with to many inmates. So in response to that our taxes would hit the roof and you'll be doing this. :headbang: While saying, "What was I thanking?" :headbang:

Galloism opposes this proposal, just like every proposal just like it that has come through before countless times. Can I invade Chechnia (sp?) yet?

Can I invade Chechnia (sp?) yet?
I don't know, is it your turn to invade Chechnya?

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Agreed.

The Democratic States of Luzia supports all efforts to abolish the death penalty, suicide, murder, genocide, terror, abortion, war and all state support for death.

All nations are made of civilized beings. We do not have the right to take away life. Please author a clear proposal for the international community, the Democratic States of Luzia will support it.

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hasn't the message got through yet?

I believe the UN has a resolution on recycling?
Well if it hasn't I know it has one on Scientific freedom.
Anyway, abolishing the death penalty is a very civilised option, for those who choose to. Those who choose to should contemplate recycling life sentence prisoners. I'm proposing genetic experimentation, it not only becomes a alternative painful death, worse than the victim suffered, and the prisoner deserving it, it also helps science advance. In countries that allow Genetic Experementation, We should enact this sort of action now, like i have in my country.
Euthanasia should remain in any case, allowing the person the chance to die with dignity, and without suffering.
Optischer

I don't know, is it your turn to invade Chechnya?

Bob Flibble
UN Representative
we have to take turns? dang :(

at the Chechnyan border theres this ticket machine and you pick a number and wait your turn.

it would be quicker going to the strangers bar. :)

Sir Cyril stands up, holding a pack of cards, muttering to himself

"Inflatable Gandalf...no...communist...Ronnie Corbet...no...where is it?...pointless card with lesbians...a ha here it is!"

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Sir Cyril stands up, holding a pack of cards, muttering to himself

"Inflatable Gandalf...no...communist...Ronnie Corbet...no...where is it?...pointless card with lesbians...a ha here it is!"

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I disagree,


















no card with lesbians on it is "pointless.":D