NationStates Jolt Archive

I believe this falls under
Human Rights
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
And suppose that it's
Severe
But Loosely speaking it could be
Environmental
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.

Precisely what it sounds like. Any Environmental resolution will cause a hit to your industries while improving the environment. Any proposal written for this category should preferably talk about industry having to somehow pay for environmental improvements. Of course, this could be abstracted by saying that the government taxes industry more to implement an environmental plan of some kind.


Socidevelopment Proposal

Children of a nation are the nation’s children and more so, the world’s, and our future.
Identifying that not all parents have ever had children nor are they professionals of child rearing just because they were “once children too,” an establishment of a professional Child Rearing class must be given to parent’s under a nation’s rule.
For the first five years of a child’s upbringing the parent must attend a three day a week class for one hour a day and have a supervisor appointed to the family who must visit at least once a month to ensure proper professional family rearing is being established.
After the child is five the parent will only need to attend once a month and exceptionally gifted child rearing parents will be given the option to be supervisors of other families, which will provide a tax break for the supervisor or relative measure assured by the nation.
A professional Child Rearing classroom teacher must have a Master’s qualification in Childhood Development and be in attendance to annual updates on child rearing.
These measures will increase a nation’s tax in education only slightly and will increase the nation’s social stability. The loss of socioeconomic quality that a nation may sense will occur during this establishment will subsequently strengthen the socioeconomic quality of the future nation.

What an interesting way to get children indoctrinated from a young age.

I know you didn't mean that but the only way we could do this without problems is to come up with a universal curriculum. As the UN isn't made up of just one type of country we couldn't make an adequate universal curriculum.

I don't think it's doable.

By the way I think it's more like a moral decency but even then it doesn't fit too well.

Rose,
UN representative,
The Black New World

Who gets to decide what constitutes acceptable parenting? Who gets to decide what needs to be taught in these classes? And contrary to what you say, this scheme would be very expensive. First, we'd have to establish educational systems for the teachers, since courses of the type you want to make obligatory for teachers are rare at _Myopia_'s universities, and probably incentives to study "Childhood Development" since we don't currently have many people with such qualifications. We'd have to build facilities in which these parenting classes could be held, set-up child-minding services to look after the kids while the parents go to the classes, pay the salaries of the teachers and inspectors, and support the bureacracy entailed by the inspections.

Not all nations have those kinds of resources.

And now I get to use my new card:
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believe that children are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside
Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be

/Whitney Houston

An umbrella clause for the nation's of interest.
Something like "within the financial bounds of a nation's interest"
The curriculum need not be addressed because I see no need in trying to cover what each nation believes to be proper child development. Only that countries have child development classes in which the nation's interests for child development are shown.
The Mandate is only that proper individuals come together and meet with the interest of their families involved and the growth of the nation as well as the word.

ie for the UN this is a good thing that we will have that other non UN nations won't. And should put the UN countries on the fast track for socioeconomic growth.

The curriculum need not be addressed because I see no need in trying to cover what each nation believes to be proper child development.

Exactly. Without the UN controlling what is taught it could be used as indoctrination. Boys future leasers, girls future mothers or cogs in the war machine. Whatever. We don't want to see it happen. With the UN controlling what is taught it alienates countries.

I can't see how this could work.

Rose,
UN representative,
The Black New World

do we really need to be debating this?

i cannot see how this is an international issue. every nation has its own culture and a different way of doing things. leave it to governments and parents.

I believe this falls under
Human Rights
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
And suppose that it's
Severe
But Loosely speaking it could be
Environmental
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


That would seem unlikely.


Precisely what it sounds like. Any Environmental resolution will cause a hit to your industries while improving the environment. Any proposal written for this category should preferably talk about industry having to somehow pay for environmental improvements. Of course, this could be abstracted by saying that the government taxes industry more to implement an environmental plan of some kind.


It gets even more unlikely.


Socidevelopment Proposal

Children of a nation are the nation’s children and more so, the world’s, and our future.


Sounds nice. Rhetorical but nice.


Identifying that not all parents have ever had children nor are they professionals of child rearing just because they were “once children too,”


Is this going where I think it is going - you are arguing that people should be taught to raise kids?


an establishment of a professional Child Rearing class must be given to parent’s under a nation’s rule.


Why? Cna you justify this at all?


For the first five years of a child’s upbringing the parent must attend a three day a week class for one hour a day


and who is going to look after the kid during this time? What if the kid has "emotional problems" and needs constant care? What if the kid is really sick and needs constant care?


and have a supervisor appointed to the family who must visit at least once a month to ensure proper professional family rearing is being established.


What are the guidelines? Will they vary from nation to nation or are they going to be established for the whole of the UN?

What happens if the family is not meeting these guidelines Will the kid be taken away? Will the family be put in jail?


After the child is five the parent will only need to attend once a month and exceptionally gifted child rearing parents will be given the option to be supervisors of other families, which will provide a tax break for the supervisor or relative measure assured by the nation.


So - kids are already forced in to competition by some parents (peewee soccer, baseball etc), and now parents are going to forced in to competition with each other at how well they have done with their kid, putting even more preassure on the kid when the decision is made whether someone exceptionally gifted or not?


A professional Child Rearing classroom teacher must have a Master’s qualification in Childhood Development and be in attendance to annual updates on child rearing.


Again - this masters - is it nationally rated or internationally? (I ask this on the basis that raising kids in Pallatium might be different than raising kids in another nation. And raising kids in the former nation of TilEnca, where wild animals and mystical creatures sometimes attacked cities, might be differen then raising them in Hyrule where the only really scary thing is a ghost who sometimes roams a desert).


These measures will increase a nation’s tax in education only slightly and will increase the nation’s social stability.


How will it increase the social stability? Keep in mind that parents have been raising kids since before the UN started, and most nations haven't fallen in to anarchy and chaos. My parents raised me without this ludicrious and insane proposal, and most people would argue they did a pretty good job (at least the 92% of the population who elected me probably would. Don't know about the other 8%)


The loss of socioeconomic quality that a nation may sense will occur during this establishment will subsequently strengthen the socioeconomic quality of the future nation.

How? Seriously - explain how and I might give this some more thought, cause at the moment I am having problems taking it seriously. It is a HUGE invasion of privacy, a slap in the face for every parent in the UN and quite honestly a fairly offensive proposal to most people who have raised kids.

Your questions are the answers.

Each nation does have the say in how the establishment is arranged.

Just as children after the age of five are mandated to attend some sort of learning institution (whether it be in the home)

this is a resolution to make the UN nations better than those that aren't
Educational superiority so to speak because we don't just support children's education. We support the adults also.

the supervisor doesn't have authority like a policeperson.

Just a supervisory role.

The classes you can be truant of but the pressure you indicate is non existant
and the classes are for the family to be better (in it's loosely defined way)
generally just to keep parents informed of goob habits in child rearing and to protect the children from harm that can be prevented.

i know this is well meaning and all, but i can see a lot of people saying 'dont tell me how to raise my kid!' this aint a human rights issue, or an environmental one, its actually a moral decency one, so dont try to play it otherwise. also, no two kids are really the same, thats why there are so many self-help books in the market. we, The Lynx Alliance, are fully against this

Your questions are the answers.

Each nation does have the say in how the establishment is arranged.


So we can just have it in a pub, and the parents can play cards for an hour, then go home?


Just as children after the age of five are mandated to attend some sort of learning institution (whether it be in the home)


Actually - they are not. The resolution says we are required to provide free education for kids, but in no way are they mandated to attend them.


this is a resolution to make the UN nations better than those that aren't
Educational superiority so to speak because we don't just support children's education. We support the adults also.


Except there is no evidence that teaching parents how to raise their kids makes a nation better. Firstly even if you say it is organized by each nation, there is still a lot of issues about educating several million parents on how to raise their kids. My sister and her partner have kids, but they are not big religious people - so should they be taught to instill religious values in their kids or not?

My partner and I plan to have kids, and we do plan to teach our children about The Goddesses. Should I be told not to do that, since there is some degree of seperation of church and state in Pallatium and, as the Queen I might be violating that.

Mrs Smith down the road from me abhors the Goddesses, and does not want her kids to learn about them, so she not only doesn't mention them at home, she also takes them out of the lessons in school. Should she be taught that is wrong or right?


Parents will raise their kids, and they will raise them the way they like. If they get to beating, molesting or otherwise abusing them, I think that government should step in (in the form of the police, or other welfare departments), but other than that - I think that the government should stay out of raising kids and stick to what is possible.


the supervisor doesn't have authority like a policeperson.

Just a supervisory role.


So what does the supervisor do?


The classes you can be truant of but the pressure you indicate is non existant


So I have to set up these classes, and no one has to turn up to them?


and the classes are for the family to be better (in it's loosely defined way)
generally just to keep parents informed of goob habits in child rearing and to protect the children from harm that can be prevented.

I disagree - parents can learn about how to raise kids by reading books or the net or watching infommercials. They do not need to be forced to go to government classes about how to do it. It is insulting and patronising.

On behalf of the people of HeathenHaven and HRM Queen Aislinn, I Duchess Frigga of Berkana, Minister of Familes and Children must oppose this proposal. We have always believed our children to be the sacred in re-incarnations of our ancestors. In fact, any crime against a child (the rare instance when it has occcured, the perpetrator was a foreigner) is punishable by death.
Our people live in a tribal/clan villages and being egalitarian each clan cares for and supervises it's own people with assistance from the gov't and the Monarchy. We raise our children to happy, healthy, strong Heathens with a deep devotion to the Aesir and Vanir.
We have avoided many of the pitfalls that plague our more industrialised neighbors and their sprawling cities such as child abuse, teen pregnacy, school drop outs etc. We are a very ancient and spiritual culture and are opposed to any outside outisde nations proposals as to child care.

Sincerly
Duchess Friggga of Berkana
Minister of Families and Children
HeathenHaven

generally just to keep parents informed of goob habits in child rearing and to protect the children from harm that can be prevented.

Regular lessons are not required for this. Our government produces informational leaflets, websites and other publications, and medical professionals in our free health service are amply equipped to advise new parents. This is sufficient to pass on basic information, such as the nutritional requirements of children, and how to care for a newborn baby. Regular check-ups with local doctors ensure that children are not being abused or neglected. Thrice-weekly lessons are overkill to convey basic scientific knowledge about keeping a child healthy, and so the only way to fill up this absurd amount of educational time is with far more subjective child-rearing techniques, which should not be down to government anyway. For instance, it is not for the government to start trying to teach parents how to instil ethical values in their kids, because this would inevitably entail dictating WHOSE ethical values to instil.