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In a summary this resolution, if passed, will allow people to possess all types of guns that are not used for killing, such as paint ball guns or nail guns. These guns pose no threat to life and there is no justification for not allowing the people to own them.

Please post a copy of your resolution so we may discuss it.

Rose,
UN representative,
The Black New World

Here it is:

Protect nonlethal firearms
A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws.

Category: Gun Control
Decision: Relax
Proposed by: Odyssey2

Description: I propose that all firearms which are not intended to kill be universally protected from gun control acts. Such guns are not a threat to public safety, and as such there is no justification for not allowing the public to carry them. Although these guns would still be able to be banned from public areas (school, park, etc.) they should still be available for the people to use in their own private yards.

Guns that I propose protecting include pellet guns, paint ball guns, dart guns, nail guns, tranquilizer guns, and stun guns.

Here it is:

Protect nonlethal firearms
A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws.

Category: Gun Control
Decision: Relax
Proposed by: Odyssey2

Description: I propose that all firearms which are not intended to kill be universally protected from gun control acts. Such guns are not a threat to public safety, and as such there is no justification for not allowing the public to carry them. Although these guns would still be able to be banned from public areas (school, park, etc.) they should still be available for the people to use in their own private yards.

Guns that I propose protecting include pellet guns, paint ball guns, dart guns, nail guns, tranquilizer guns, and stun guns.


Nail guns?? Do you know how dangerous Nail guns can be??

Further more all of the other don't necessary kill, but can cause a lot of pain when used to do so (shoot someone with a paintball gun at near point-blank range, and trust me - pain!!).

Guns are guns, and aside from toy ones that don't fire anything, they should all be permitted to be controlled by the government.

A firearm is a kinetic energy mechanical device that fires either single or multiple projectiles propelled at high velocity by the gases produced by action of the rapid confined burning of a propellant.

As far as I know, neiter paintball guns nor nail guns use the burning of a propellant to fire projectiles. I thought they just use compressed air...

In a summary this resolution, if passed, will allow people to possess all types of guns that are not used for killing, such as paint ball guns or nail guns. These guns pose no threat to life and there is no justification for not allowing the people to own them.

Is the threat of a UN paintball gun ban really such a looming threat on the horizon that this is considered necessary?

I believe a resolution banning paintball guns is just below making a resolution TaTu lesbians again in the long term plans for future proposals in the secret UN agenda

about the only non-lethal gun is the water pistol.... hang on, you could put acid in it... scratch that

As far as I know, neiter paintball guns nor nail guns use the burning of a propellant to fire projectiles. I thought they just use compressed air...
some nail guns use a powder charge. Single shot, .25 caliber, but probably better that no gun at all.

I can't see how this in an international issue. What "weapons" a person is or isn't allowed to carry within their nation doesn't affect the people of the nation next door, unless someone makes a habit of "shooting" paint or nails over the border, in which case the neighbouring nation would be entitled to respond with a full barrage of beanie babies.

Maybe you could turn this into a proposal about taking these type of things across borders and the rights of people/states to carry/control what enters their nations with visitors, immigrants ect. That would make it more of an internationl issue and something the UN would look at.

i bet if DLE was here, she would be saying 'what about stun-guns? they are not lethal'

i bet if DLE was here, she would be saying 'what about stun-guns? they are not lethal'
I was actually just thinking that, if someone has a bad heart condition a stun gun can be lethal, pellet guns have been known to kill close up and Dart/Tranquiliser guns can kill if the victim is allergic to the particular anesthetic used.

i bet if DLE was here, she would be saying 'what about stun-guns? they are not lethal'

DLE's dead, baby, DLE's dead.

Anyway, I'm not wild about this proposal, because I don't really see it as an international issue. Mind you, I'm a crazy sovereigntist, so I don't expect anyone else will...oh, I see.

I propose that all firearms which are not intended to kill be universally protected from gun control acts. Such guns are not a threat to public safety, and as such there is no justification for not allowing the public to carry them.
Your argument seems to centre around that 'if it's not intended to be lethal it's not dangerous'. This as been proven wrong by others, I'm not going to go into it.

I don't think that anything that can be used as a weapon should be illegal, I just think you should have a better argument.

Although these guns would still be able to be banned from public areas (school, park, etc.) they should still be available for the people to use in their own private yards.
Repairman in a public school, escaped animals, security. I really fail to see why you would have a use for some of these non-lethal weapons in your own yard (although not your house, nice loop hole) unless you are going to hurt someone with it.

Guns that I propose protecting include pellet guns, paint ball guns, dart guns, nail guns, tranquilizer guns, and stun guns.
Nice range you've got there.

I fail to see why non-lethal guns need protecting. Especially as some countries may not want to sell nail guns to minors.

You do not have our support.

Giordano,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World,
Delegate to The Order of The Valiant States

DLE's dead, baby, DLE's dead.

yeah, but her memory will ALWAYS remain

in Kirisubo guns aren't a problem. a person doing breaking and entering is more likely to be facing an angry resident with a razor sharp sword. theres already a civilian firearms ban in place in my region.

any and all of the previously mentioned 'guns' can be dangerous. my question is this.

what about tear gas, pepper sprays and other methods that riot police and even civilians may use?

And here I bring up one of the many problems with being a UN Delegate... Even though I didn't want to approve this proposal for all the above mentioned reasons (as well as some others of my own), the members of my region outvoted me, thus forcing me to click the dreaded "approve" link.... erg... :headbang:

And here I bring up one of the many problems with being a UN Delegate... Even though I didn't want to approve this proposal for all the above mentioned reasons (as well as some others of my own), the members of my region outvoted me, thus forcing me to click the dreaded "approve" link.... erg... :headbang:
You give in too easy. It is the delegates Job to point out the merits or failings of of a proposal and fight with all concerned to sway the voting in favour of what you as delegate believe is best for the UN Members you serve.
Grow some Balls man and stand up to their crazed fluffiness.

Nail guns?? Do you know how dangerous Nail guns can be??

Further more all of the other don't necessary kill, but can cause a lot of pain when used to do so (shoot someone with a paintball gun at near point-blank range, and trust me - pain!!).

Guns are guns, and aside from toy ones that don't fire anything, they should all be permitted to be controlled by the government.

I agree with you here. They should be allowed, but strictly controlled. Like..
A REQUIRED License?

I agree with you here. They should be allowed, but strictly controlled. Like..
A REQUIRED License?
Ah yes, but why cant we leave this to the Governments of the members to look after. I mean seriously people! Nuclear arms, Weopens of mass destruction.... These are matters for our nations to consider due to the international consequences of same. Paint guns and pellet guns! A UN Concern?
Somebody is taking the proverbial Piss!

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VL.

And here I bring up one of the many problems with being a UN Delegate... Even though I didn't want to approve this proposal for all the above mentioned reasons (as well as some others of my own), the members of my region outvoted me, thus forcing me to click the dreaded "approve" link.... erg... :headbang:
Do you mean that you actually allow the other nations in your region to dictate to you what proposals you approve? I've got to concur with Venerable libertarians on this one.
Grow some Balls man and stand up to their crazed fluffiness.
I mean, I've been a delegate for just under 300 days now, and I've never asked anyone in my region whether or not I should approve a proposal for vote. Hell, I don't even ask them how they want me to vote when proposals hit the floor anymore, partially because when I did ask nobody would answer.

I agree with you here. They should be allowed, but strictly controlled. Like..
A REQUIRED License?

I am not saying Nail guns should be licenced - that would maybe be a tad over the top. But at the same time you don't want a ten year old walking in to a shop and buying one, and (personally) I don't want to ensure that shops patrol themselves on this - I want it at government level so we can stop shops selling nail guns to kids.

Same with the others listed to some degree or other.

Do you mean that you actually allow the other nations in your region to dictate to you what proposals you approve? I've got to concur with Venerable libertarians on this one.

I mean, I've been a delegate for just under 300 days now, and I've never asked anyone in my region whether or not I should approve a proposal for vote. Hell, I don't even ask them how they want me to vote when proposals hit the floor anymore, partially because when I did ask nobody would answer.

Ok, point taken, BUT.....

The sadness of it is that all the members of my region are people I know in real life. In fact we created the region. One of the things we agreed upon was that the delegate would have to actually fulfill the perceived responsibility of making decisions in a manner that represents the collective interests of those UN member nations within their region. And since they were so nice as to unanimously endorse me :rolleyes: *mumblegrumble*, I have to deal with the occasional person looking over my shoulder when I'm reading proposals and saying "Why didn't you approve that one? We NEED that one! I demand a region vote!" :mp5:

I'm beginning to wonder if region democracy was such a good idea after all...





By the way, I'm a girl, so please don't tell me to "grow some balls", okiedokie? ;)

Just bring in licencing for these non-lethal guns. Age restrictions and other restrictions will make sure damage from non-lethal guns is minimum.
Optischer