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Repeal ‘Mandatory Recycling’

Category: Repeal Resolution: #13 Proposed by: Techo prisoners
Resolution: UNR #13
Proposed by: Kirisubo

Description: UN Resolution #13: Mandatory Recycling Act (Category: Environmental; Industry Affected: All Businesses) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

UN resolution #13 : Mandatory Recycling shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument:

UNDERSTANDING the need to recycle paper, glass, aluminium and batteries and that its necessary to maintain this effort to make resources last longer. This effort is admirable and should be encouraged regardless of existing resolutions.

CONCERNED that UNR #13 is extremely vague about the mechanisms and definition of recycling. Also concerned that recycling 100% of the above is not feasible due to limitations on existing recycling technology and that other valuable materials have been ignored completely.

REGRETTING that smaller, developing nations may well be unable to bear the costs of complying with the resolution.

The United Nations therefore REPEALS resolution #13 ‘Mandatory recycling’

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i've submitted the above as a test submission since i've never done this before and wanted to gauge opinions.

i will be submitting a proposal in UNR 13's place if a repeal is sucessfull which will be be setting more realistic targets and detailed.

however i'll need some help since i've never drafted a proposal before.

If you'd wiped your arse on a towel and written 'Repeal 'Mandatory Recycling'' at the top in crayon, we'd still support it. Good luck.

(And please don't propose a replacement.)

Also concerned that recycling 100% of the above is not feasible due to limitations on existing recycling technology
Remove this please. Technology levels are not uniform.

Other than that? We'll say yes.

Good luck.

Giordano,
Senior UN representative,
The Black New World,
Delegate to The Order of The Valiant States

Ausserland certainly supports this repeal. Resolution #13 is one of those well-intentioned efforts that sets a goal of perfection, not considering that perfection is a pipe-dream and may not even be a practicable goal for some nations.

We would be pleased to try to help the honorable representative of Kirisubo with drafting of a reasonable replacement. We know very little about the technical side of recycling, but we may be able to help with format and editing.

Hurlbot Barfanger
Ambassador to the United Nations

thank you all for the comments so far especially Gruenberg's. its the first laugh i've had all day :)

i'm beavering away on a draft proposal at the moment so i should have a rough draft soon for examination.

Ambassador Barfanger, i will grateful for your help. i understand the technical side of environmental issues quite well but will need help with the presentation and wording.

Kaigan Miromuta
UN Ambassador from the Empire of Kirisubo

One thing: 'its necessary' should be 'it's necessary'.

Draft Proposal : The Ten Year Recycling Plan

Category : Environmental
Industry affected : all businesses
Strength : ?
Proposed by : Kirisubo

Description : The United Nations,

NOTES the importance of the recycling industry which by reclaiming valuable materials helps prolong the stocks of raw materials we take for granted and the jobs they create.

GIVEN the need to recycle materials such as paper, glass, aluminium, steel, other metals, building materials and batteries

CONCERNED that some UN nations lack the required technology to recycle materials in an efficient and cost effective manner

NOTING that the technology level between member nations can vary greatly and

ALSO considering that sometimes it costs more to recycle materials that to create them from the raw material they came from, this proposes the following :

1. the target of recycling 20% of the above materials within ten years within the boundaries of the United Nations.

2. this target being reached by recycling 2% of the above each year, and building on the progress made year by year starting from year one (2005) so in year two 4% is recycled, 6% is recycled in year three and so forth until in year ten the target of 20% successful recycling is reached.

3. the creation of the United Nations Recycling Board (UNRB) to aid nations who request technical and financial help to meet the annual targets and to adjudicate in cases where nations feel they have specific problems and need more time and/or other assistance.

4. Nations send annual reports to the UNRB so that progress towards the target rate can be assessed.

It is our hope that by the end of year ten that the target is reached and all UN nations will be able to effectively and economically recycle even more than the target rate.



please tell me what you think

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As written it would seem to require recycling a defined proportion of everything that's made from any of those materials, rather than just of any such objects that have become 'waste'...

lets say you demolish a building. builders will normally try and recycle bricks, timber and sometimes even unbroken glass and window frames and reuse them.

i'm looking at this from a business point of view rather than a enviromentalists view. if a nation can build up a recyling industry by doing simple things like this they'll be doing themselves a favour in the long run.

when i get some more time i'll be looking at refining this a lot further.

i thank you for your comment and since this will take a lot more work to make this a workable proposal the more comments i recieve the better.

The ambassador of Kryzmanistanlandia offers his support for a repeal of this resolution.

this would be interesting, if it wasnt for the fact that if you succesfuly repeal, it would be pretty hard to get a succesful replacement. its probably the main reason why it hasnt been succesfully been repealed before

this would be interesting, if it wasnt for the fact that if you succesfuly repeal, it would be pretty hard to get a succesful replacement. its probably the main reason why it hasnt been succesfully been repealed before

theres been plenty of attempts at this but reworking the original one line resolution into a practical proposal will always be difficult.

they why its 2% per annum over 10 years. this means that a nation with no recyling industry in place could acomplise this is they wanted too. if a nation has an existing recyling industry they could reach the target sooner and even recycle more.

creating or expanding a recyling industry will also create jobs at a local level, increase the taxes a nation could gather and leave more disposable income in the economy.

i may well have to rescrict the materials mentioned otherwise this will become far too complicated.

i also want to make this more natsov based so its not seen as a 'big stick' proposal.

I whole heartedly support and endorse this repealment of Mandatory Recycling UN Resolution #13

Maybe in place of mandatory recycling, the UN should give incentives to government who supply a certain amount of their countries waste to recycling.

I want you to all now I'm sorry incase I in anyway insulted you, and have deleted, edited and retracted my statements.

I thank you for reading this.

Optischer

Maybe in place of mandatory recycling, the UN should give incentives to government who supply a certain amount of their countries waste.
I may be mistaken, but the way I'm reading that statement, you want to give incentives to governments to create garbage.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

I'm sorry, I must have made a mistake. What I meant to say was maybe the UN should give incentives to the governments who recycle a set percentage of national waste a year.
Optischer

I'm sorry, I must have made a mistake. What I meant to say was maybe the UN should give incentives to the governments who recycle a set percentage of national waste a year.
Optischer

And we fund this incentive program.....how?

I'm sorry, I must have made a mistake. What I meant to say was maybe the UN should give incentives to the governments who recycle a set percentage of national waste a year.
Optischer
we would like to remind the representative from Optischer that the UN has no independant funding, besides personal donations. the rest comes straight out of resolutions and goes straight back into servicing said resolutions. i do not think that nature loving nations who like the idea of mandatory recycling would like to pay for incentives for other nations who wouldnt do it otherwise

Question? Does the UN not get a basic tax, or membership fee from governments or citizens?

And maybe we could slowly wean countries off incentives, into a state where they recycle because it helps them, without having incentives to guide their decision.

Draft Proposal : The Ten Year Recycling Plan

Category : Environmental
Industry affected : all businesses
Strength : Mild (i think)
Proposed by : Kirisubo

Description : The United Nations,

NOTES the importance of the recycling industry which by reclaiming valuable materials helps prolong the stocks of raw materials we take for granted and the jobs they create.

GIVEN the need to recycle waste materials such as paper, glass, aluminium, steel, and other metals

CONCERNED that some UN nations lack the required technology to recycle materials in an efficient and cost effective manner

NOTING that the technology level between member nations can vary greatly and

ALSO considering that sometimes it costs more to recycle materials that to create them from the raw material they came from, this proposes the following :


1. INVITES nations to take part in this plan which will give nations a helping hand into getting into the recycling industry or expanding their existing recycling industry.

2. SETTING the target of recycling 20% of the above materials within ten years within the boundaries of the United Nations.

3. this target being reached by recycling 2% of the above each year, and building on the progress made year by year starting from year one (2005) so in year two 4% is recycled, 6% is recycled in year three and so forth until in year ten the target of 20% successful recycling is reached.

4. the creation of the United Nations Recycling Board (UNRB) to aid nations who request technical and financial help to meet the annual targets and to adjudicate in cases where nations feel they have specific problems and need more time and/or other assistance. the funding for this body will come from the nations who are taking part in the scheme.

5. Nations send annual reports to the UNRB so that progress towards the target rate can be assessed and any problems addressed.

It is our hope that by the end of year ten that the target is reached and all UN nations will be able to effectively and economically recycle even more than the target rate.

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i've trimmed the range down since a lot of nations recycle building materials and wood already and i'm not convinced about the ecomonics of recycling batteries.

as the money to run this scheme comes from the nations involved they will have 'ownership' and will be motivated to want to make this work. I don't see the point of having a proposal that forces a nation to take part since this is a business scheme rather than an environmental one.

Question? Does the UN not get a basic tax, or membership fee from governments or citizens?
answer: the UN, through the UN taxation ban, cannot directly tax citizens. as far as i am aware, there is no tax or membership fee for nations, although nations have to pay into any resolution that creates a fund or needs money directed at the UN. personally, we prefer this not-for-profit, PAYG scheme, because it could lead to nations making up shortfalls for other nations, and money spread dispropotionally if there was to be a tax/fee

Question? Does the UN not get a basic tax, or membership fee from governments or citizens?
As TLA said the UN can't directly tax a nation's citizens, and as for some type of dues, it's been brought up before on the forum but nothing has ever reached quorum.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

OOC: There may be nations where, due to the levels of technology being RPed, just about all of the paper that exists is included in books and these are relatively rare & expensive items. The current draft of this proposal would effectively seem to require recycling 20% of those books within 10 years, even though such a figure would be far in excess of normal turnover for those items...

GIVEN the need to recycle waste materials such as paper, glass, aluminium, steel, and other metals

St Edmund, please note that waste materials is clearly stated. i wouldn't expect a nation to recycle perfectly good books or scrolls (unless they were trying to ban them). waste paper for example is amongst other things old telephone books, old news papers and waste paper produced by offices (usually shredded).

on another point i've left this open ended so that a nation can recycle more than whats mentioned if they want to.