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After a long crisis, where I and other UN nations (noteably Assatru) tried their hardest to stop a war between Neoma and other nations wanting to take it over, it seems to be over. Neoma has committed genocide, and the other nations acting illegally, has committed genocides in return. We are a nation of peace, we fear war.

It seems however that the combat is dying down and the nations are leaving. I, SLI Sector, is planning on referring this genocide accusation of Neoma to TPP.

However, TPP no longer is RPed and is now staffed by gnomes.

So how do I send the application to the gnomes? And how do I know how they rule?

Also, if any UN nation is interested, can they send peacekeepers to Neoma, to protect their nation so they won't be taken over while the trial is being held?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452803

After a long crisis, where I and other UN nations (noteably Assatru) tried their hardest to stop a war between Neoma and other nations wanting to take it over, it seems to be over. Neoma has committed genocide, and the other nations acting illegally, has committed genocides in return. We are a nation of peace, we fear war.

It seems however that the combat is dying down and the nations are leaving. I, SLI Sector, is planning on referring this genocide accusation of Neoma to TPP.

However, TPP no longer is RPed and is now staffed by gnomes.

So how do I send the application to the gnomes? And how do I know how they rule?

Also, if any UN nation is interested, can they send peacekeepers to Neoma, to protect their nation so they won't be taken over while the trial is being held?


It isn't going to matter whether The Pretenama Panel is RPed or staffed by gnomes - Neoma is not a member of the UN and therefore the Panel has no power to investigate or interfere.

It does have a right. The TPP have done so twice...in Crimmond and in Macton. Both succesful cases that stop genocide from occuring.

We failed in Crimmond, if memory serves. Macton was a success, but no military force was required

Can somebody reform the TPP, just to investigate charges of genocide by Neoma?

And also check to see if the alliance of military forces that invaded Neoma have done genocide itself? (I hope not, but I'm not so sure, since those forces begin marching in just when Neoma begin the slaughtering...could they have done slaughtering of Corrdists?)

It does have a right. The TPP have done so twice...in Crimmond and in Macton. Both succesful cases that stop genocide from occuring.

Under what authority does it have the power to enter non member nations? The Eon Convention only applies to UN Member nations, and the Convention itself states


§3. TPP is granted all the powers it requires to investigate Genocide and try people for the crime. It will have the powers to demand the extradition of suspects, witnesses and other people connected with the crime they are investigating. If the extradition is challenged TPP must show proof of the requirement. This power can only extend to the extradition from UN member nations.


and


§1. Member Nations are required to submit to an investigation ordered by TPP instituted by an accusation of Genocide. If no evidence is found, TPP is disbanded. If evidence is found, TPP can take in to custody those suspected to be responsible.



and while I accept that Humanitarian Intervention might have extended it's purview a little, NSUN Resolutions do not apply to those who are not members, so neither resolution should grant power to go in to a non-member nation. Infact EON specifically states that


§2. Nations may not invade other nations based on this convention.


so using The Eon Convention to enter non-member nation is infact illegal under UN Law.

Were Crimmond and Macton member nations?

It remains the opinion of the current administration in Krioval that the Pretenama Panel acted inappropriately in its interventions in Crimmond and Macton. However, as member states of the United Nations are not bound by organizational procedures with regard to those nations outside the UN, it stands to reason that any group of nations could choose to investigate accusations of genocide in a non-UN state without involving the Pretenama Panel.

高原由
Yoshi Takahara
United Nations Ambassador
Krioval

Taking suggestions from this body, I made a special military tribunal, outside of the UN, to decide what has happened: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9926853

All UN Nations, please join it. Especially members of the former TPPs, since you had experience.

SLI Sector: Crimmond was an unmitigated disaster. None of the TPP nations knew the least thing about RPing, especially when trying to attack one of the more powerful nations.

Pallatium: Under the the terms of the Humanitarian Intervention resolution (which extended and codified TPP), some nations believed that it was possible for TPP to investigate and 'intervene' in non-member nations.

Pallatium: Under the the terms of the Humanitarian Intervention resolution (which extended and codified TPP), some nations believed that it was possible for TPP to investigate and 'intervene' in non-member nations.

Ah. I knew it had some powers extended, but not to include people who aren't bound by UN law. (I really thought that was entirely illegal)

SLI Sector: Crimmond was an unmitigated disaster. None of the TPP nations knew the least thing about RPing, especially when trying to attack one of the more powerful nations.
it is my understanding that the session of TPP in either the Crimmond or Macton cases, or maybe both, was really to prove the short-comings of the Humanitarian Intervention resolution, and had very little to do with EON

SLI Sector: Crimmond was an unmitigated disaster. None of the TPP nations knew the least thing about RPing, especially when trying to attack one of the more powerful nations.
OOC: Well, some of us did, but not enough. I remember having an almighty 'eek' moment when someone put Ecopoeia forward to lead the forces since it was the largest nation on the Panel. Never mind that I RP a much smaller population, had an Imploded economy at the time and, regardless, have a military budget of, er, 0%.

OOC: Well, some of us did, but not enough. I remember having an almighty 'eek' moment when someone put Ecopoeia forward to lead the forces since it was the largest nation on the Panel. Never mind that I RP a much smaller population, had an Imploded economy at the time and, regardless, have a military budget of, er, 0%.
OOC: Fair enough. I've worked my way around the budgeting problem in Enn by having the armed forces under the direct pay of Lady Faren.

But yeah, Crimmond definitely did not go well. Most of us had never RPed before, and those of us who had certainly hadn't previously tried to attack one of the most powerful nations in II.

Oh well. There was no report on it in the wiki, so I assumed it was a success.

I hope this tribunal I have set up will resurrect the spirit of TPP, because it was a good idea.