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UN Resolution: Technical School Training Act (TSTA) (Rough Draft)
Social Justice
Significant

AFFIRMS the right of working-class people in every UN nation to have the right to education and jobs. That they are not clearly passed over by corporation top executives or government top executives because of the basis of their social class.

ACKNOWLEDGES that at the point in time, many working-classed people may not have the same education or skill levels that upper and middle classed people have.

PROBLEM: Working-Class people are more likely to leave school earlier than middle and upper class families which combined with poverty found in the areas most working class people live, results in suffering of humanitarian proportions. However, the problem can be fixed by the government before the working people get fed up with their lives and decided to have a REVOLUTION to replace the middle and upper classed society around them.

This resolution URGES nations not to forget the working-classed people in their struggle to survive from day to day, and that this is a problem that has to be solved at an international stage.

Solution:

(A) The elimination of the intentional discrimination by employers and government to overlook the working-class people for jobs.

(B) Creating Technical schools at no fee or minimal fee to the working-class person who volunteers and is not forced by the government to go to Technical school.

(C) This resolution urges the creation of Technical schools by governments within a 5-10 year period.

(D) Technical schools can offer courses such as these listed but not confined to them; Military training, government official, Automotive, Mining, Corporation activities, etc.

(E) This resolution recommends that in Technical schools, working-class people receive a small 'allowance' every month especially in nations where there is no social welfare to help them.

(F) This resolution also recommends on the job training at Technical schools.

(G) Technical schools are not used as bases for the 're-programming' of working-class people. By reprograming, that means they are sent away until they are transformed into government supporting drones.

(H) Religious, ethical, and political views held by the working-class people who volunteer for Technical school are acknowledged and no action is taken against them.

Conclusion:

Technical School Training Act is important socially because it will end discrimination, intentional discrimination of working class people. Which is not acknowledged in the Universal Bill of Rights. It will give the working-class people the chance to improve themselves educationally and get better jobs in their countries workforce. Finally, it would sound reasonable to have a productive, happy working-class society than having a revolutionary coming to your home with a assault rifle screaming for revolution.

whist we have a similar thing, called Training and Further Education collages, or TAFE for short, we do not believe this is an issue that warrents international attention. while we support some of the education intiatives of the UN, we draw the line at the point where the UN tells us what we can and cannot teach. we opposed the teaching of evolution resolution on this basis. if you could change it so it sounds more encouraging than demanding, we might support it

Overall, a good proposal. I do have some comments, though.

The elimination of the intentional discrimination by employers and government to overlook the working-class people for jobs.
What kind of jobs?

AFFIRMS the right of working-class people in every UN nation to have the right to education and jobs.
I think you should define "wroking-class". Otherwise the proposal can be avoided too easily.


However, the problem can be fixed by the government before the working people get fed up with their lives and decided to have a REVOLUTION to replace the middle and upper classed society around them.
I love this. Its a great way to call attention to the proposal.

Creating Technical schools at no fee or minimal fee to the working-class person who volunteers and is not forced by the government to go to Technical school.
Does this mean the schools cannot ask for any qualifications?

Technical schools can offer courses such as these listed but not confined to them; Military training, government official, Automotive, Mining, Corporation activities, etc.
I'd define Corporation activities.


This resolution also recommends on the job training at Technical schools.
I don't see any meaning in this.

Technical schools are not used as bases for the 're-programming' of working-class people. By reprograming, that means they are sent away until they are transformed into government supporting drones.
I'm not sure about this. What exactly do you mean "gov. supporting drones". Does that include the gov. officials you want to train there?

Religious, ethical, and political views held by the working-class people who volunteer for Technical school are acknowledged and no action is taken against them.
I'd change the wording a bit to something like "the schools will not discriminate based on..." or the like.


Finally, it would sound reasonable to have a productive, happy working-class society than having a revolutionary coming to your home with a assault rifle screaming for revolution.

The ending is marvelous. I love how you se the revolution scare to draw support for you view.

As I said, a good proposal in general. For a first draft it is remarkable. Work on it a bit and I'll be behind it 100%.

Oh and one more thing. I don't think the schools should be a government thing. How about making them UN run?

Oh and one more thing. I don't think the schools should be a government thing. How about making them UN run?
then i doubt you would get any support. a good deal of nations dont like being told what to teach at the best of times, and would resent a school being run by the UN in their country.

i agree with the sentiments of this proposal, it is better than some of the recent ones. but if this can be reworded so it is 'encouraging' and 'gives examples' rather than 'demands' it would be better. some nations might not have the areas of industry that is presented, and should be encouraged to set ones that are more relevant to their nations.

then i doubt you would get any support. a good deal of nations dont like being told what to teach at the best of times, and would resent a school being run by the UN in their country.

i agree with the sentiments of this proposal, it is better than some of the recent ones. but if this can be reworded so it is 'encouraging' and 'gives examples' rather than 'demands' it would be better. some nations might not have the areas of industry that is presented, and should be encouraged to set ones that are more relevant to their nations.
Do the schools have to be in their countries? The UN could have a scholarship fund for under-privileged students to get an education in a UN run school. That way, the governments don't have to change their school system to adjust to the UN. I think that means exactly what you say, not interfering with what, or who, individual nations teach.

Second edition:

UN Resolution: Technical School Training Act (TSTA) (Rough Draft)
Social Justice
Significant

AFFIRMS the right of working-class people in every UN nation to have the right to education and jobs. That they are not clearly passed over by corporation top executives or government top executives because of the basis of their social class.

AFFIRMS that working-class people are classified as the poorest sections of a nations society that get jobs at the lowest rung of the hierarchical world of business, usually.

ACKNOWLEDGES that at the point in time, many working-classed people may not have the same education or skill levels that upper and middle classed people have.

PROBLEM: Working-Class people are more likely to leave school earlier than middle and upper class families which combined with poverty found in the areas most working class people live, results in suffering of humanitarian proportions. However, the problem can be fixed by the government before the working people get fed up with their lives and decided to have a REVOLUTION to replace the middle and upper classed society around them.

This resolution URGES nations not to forget the working-classed people in their struggle to survive from day to day, and that this is a problem that has to be solved at an international stage.

Solution:

(A) The elimination of the intentional discrimination by employers and government to overlook the working-class people for jobs that are usually granted to middle and upper class people. Jobs in the military, in corporation, in government, to list a few.

(B) Creating Technical schools at no fee or minimal fee to the working-class person who volunteers and is not forced by the government to go to Technical school.

(C) Qualifications are unnecessary. From the working-class people, whoever voluntarily wants to learn in the Technical schools, free or not can go.

(C) This resolution urges the creation of Technical schools by governments within a 5-10 year period.

(D) Technical schools can offer courses such as these listed but not confined to them; Military training, government official, Automotive, Mining, Corporation executive jobs, and any other courses that the nation decides benefits its people.

(E) This resolution recommends that in Technical schools, working-class people receive a small 'allowance' every month especially in nations where there is no social welfare to help them.

(F) This resolution also recommends on the job training at Technical schools. That students at the Technical schools can spend a few days each course, learning the valuable on-the-job training as well as Technical school 'classroom' studies.

(G) Technical schools are not used as bases for the 're-programming' of working-class people. By reprograming, that means they are sent away until they are transformed into government supporting drones.

(H) As in point (G), turning Technical School students means, do not have the Technical schools turn into a Government re-education program trying to stiffle dissidence.

(H) This resolution URGES that schools will not discriminate based on the working-classes personal religious, ethical, and political views as well as ethnic background. No action will be taken against anyone person who enters the Technical schools even if their beliefs oppose the governments.

Conclusion:

Technical School Training Act is important socially because it will end discrimination, intentional discrimination of working class people. Which is not acknowledged in the Universal Bill of Rights. It will give the working-class people the chance to improve themselves educationally and get better jobs in their countries workforce. Finally, it would sound reasonable to have a productive, happy working-class society than having a revolutionary coming to your home with a assault rifle screaming for revolution.

I believe that is a good second draft.

this one looks a lot better, Assatru.

as for your comments, Habardia, that idea would mean a total re-writing of the proposal to remove any reference to government funding, such as Allowences and such. and also, if they're not in the countries, where will they be based, because technically, the UN is not a country.

Much better. Only two thing now.

Qualifications are unnecessary. From the working-class people, whoever voluntarily wants to learn in the Technical schools, free or not can go.
Do these unnecessary qualifications include prior education? Does this mean a person not out of primary school can attend the TS?

You have two "H" and "C" clauses.

Otherwise, great.

as for your comments, Habardia, that idea would mean a total re-writing of the proposal to remove any reference to government funding, such as Allowences and such. and also, if they're not in the countries, where will they be based, because technically, the UN is not a country.
I never proposed this, rather stated this could be a solution to your concerns. And even if this were implemented, I would say it only would apply to nations that don't want to fund the schools or disobey the resolution. The schools would be based in the nations that do comply.

I just though of something else...

...and any other courses that the nation decides benefits its people.

I'd clarify it more here, since this leaves i open so that nations may use the technical schools to teach people the bricklayer, streetsweeper, and many other professions like that because they "benefit its people". I'd include something about that, just to make it clear that this is not what the TS are for.

I have to disagree about the qualifications. While I am all for treating everyone fairly, if someone attends this school who is a total moron and (with all due respect) not capable of understanding the training, why should I spend two years educating her to do a job she won't ever be able to do cause she is too stupid?

And further more the technical schools have to be open to everyone, not just "working-class" people. Just cause someone could pay for an education doesn't mean they should be treated any differently. Otherwise this proposal will end up being as discriminatory as the situation it is trying to correct.

I have to disagree about the qualifications. While I am all for treating everyone fairly, if someone attends this school who is a total moron and (with all due respect) not capable of understanding the training, why should I spend two years educating her to do a job she won't ever be able to do cause she is too stupid?
Because it's his or her right to that education, regardless of its effect. At least, that would seem the argument (not mine).

I mean, I still let everyone in my nation sleep with each other, even though a lot of them do so stupidly (without protection, etc.)--that they don't or can't use a right I grant them smartly doesn't affect me giving them that right. There might be cases in which this doesn't hold true. But I can't think of any right now.

Because it's his or her right to that education, regardless of its effect. At least, that would seem the argument (not mine).

I mean, I still let everyone in my nation sleep with each other, even though a lot of them do so stupidly (without protection, etc.)--that they don't or can't use a right I grant them smartly doesn't affect me giving them that right. There might be cases in which this doesn't hold true. But I can't think of any right now.

But - as bad as this sounds - I don't pay them to sleep with each other. If I am going to fund someone to train to be an accountant for five years when they can not even do basic maths, then I think there is a better place I can spend the money. Like on someone who can do basic maths for a start.

I am all for not discriminating against "working class" people - that is not my problem with this. My problem is that whether you are rich or poor, "working class" or the "suiper elite" you should be judged on your ability to do something and that should be a criteria for accepting people in to these colleges.

And before ANYONE comes back at me with "but the 'working class' are less likely to be qualified than the 'super elite' are" - don't even try that, because it is a lie.

Third Edition:

UN Resolution: Technical School Training Act (TSTA) (Rough Draft)
Social Justice
Significant

AFFIRMS the right of working-class people in every UN nation to have the right to education and jobs. That they are not clearly passed over by corporation top executives or government top executives because of the basis of their social class.

AFFIRMS that working-class people are classified as the poorest sections of a nations society that get jobs at the lowest rung of the hierarchical world of business, usually.

ACKNOWLEDGES that at the point in time, many working-classed people may not have the same education or skill levels that upper and middle classed people have.

PROBLEM: Working-Class people are more likely to leave school earlier than middle and upper class families which combined with poverty found in the areas most working class people live, results in suffering of humanitarian proportions. However, the problem can be fixed by the government before the working people get fed up with their lives and decided to have a REVOLUTION to replace the middle and upper classed society around them.

This resolution URGES nations not to forget the working-classed people in their struggle to survive from day to day, and that this is a problem that has to be solved at an international stage.

Solution:

(A) The elimination of the intentional discrimination by employers and government to overlook the working-class people for jobs that are usually granted to middle and upper class people. Jobs in the military, in corporation, in government, to list a few.

(B) Creating Technical schools at no fee or minimal fee to the working-class person who volunteers and is not forced by the government to go to Technical school.

(C) Qualifications are unnecessary, however if one has education and other skills, they are welcome to voluntarily enter into the Technical School. From the working-class people, whoever voluntarily wants to learn in the Technical schools, free or not can go. Middle-class and Upper-class people who want to better their skills can join but it will not be free, they will have to pay to go to courses.

(D) This resolution also urges that Technical schools allow the inclusion of middle and upper class people, but recommends that working class people are not forced aside, and they continue with their lives before Technical schools.

(E) This resolution urges the creation of Technical schools by governments within a 5-10 year period.

(F) Technical schools can offer courses such as these listed but not confined to them; Military training, government official, Automotive, Mining, Corporation executive jobs, and courses that the nation decides benefits its people toward their economical success in their country teaching them skills for jobs they cannot get to with their knowledge and skills now.

(G) This resolution recommends that in Technical schools, working-class people receive a small 'allowance' every month especially in nations where there is no social welfare to help them.

(H) This resolution also recommends on the job training at Technical schools. That students at the Technical schools can spend a few days each course, learning the valuable on-the-job training as well as Technical school 'classroom' studies.

(I) Technical schools are not used as bases for the 're-programming' of working-class people. By reprograming, that means they are sent away until they are transformed into government supporting drones.

(J) As in point (I), turning Technical School students means, do not have the Technical schools turn into a Government re-education program trying to stiffle dissidence.

(K) This resolution URGES that schools will not discriminate based on the working-classes personal religious, ethical, and political views as well as ethnic background. No action will be taken against anyone person who enters the Technical schools even if their beliefs oppose the governments.

Conclusion:

Technical School Training Act is important socially because it will end discrimination, intentional discrimination of working class people. Which is not acknowledged in the Universal Bill of Rights. It will give the working-class people the chance to improve themselves educationally and get better jobs in their countries workforce. Finally, it would sound reasonable to have a productive, happy working-class society than having a revolutionary coming to your home with a assault rifle screaming for revolution.

I believe that is a good second draft.

AFFIRMS the right of working-class people in every UN nation to have the right to education and jobs. That they are not clearly passed over by corporation top executives or government top executives because of the basis of their social class.


I kind of agree, except what kind of nation do you live in where that happens?


AFFIRMS that working-class people are classified as the poorest sections of a nations society that get jobs at the lowest rung of the hierarchical world of business, usually.


I would re-write it like this :-

AFFIRMS that working-class people are classified as the poorest sections of a nations society that usually get jobs at the lowest rung of the hierarchical world of business.


Cause having the usually on the end just looks wrong.

Further more I started off in a working class family, and I am now Queen.


ACKNOWLEDGES that at the point in time, many working-classed people may not have the same education or skill levels that upper and middle classed people have.


Why? The UN has a free education resolution through the ages of 18, so everyone has had a chance to be educated to the same level if they want.


PROBLEM: Working-Class people are more likely to leave school earlier than middle and upper class families which combined with poverty found in the areas most working class people live, results in suffering of humanitarian proportions. However, the problem can be fixed by the government before the working people get fed up with their lives and decided to have a REVOLUTION to replace the middle and upper classed society around them.


Yeah - that's nonsense. And justifying the proposal in terms of "do it or you will be killed" is not something that comes under Social Justice - you aren't doing this cause you care about the poor, you are doing it so your head doesn't end up on a pike.


This resolution URGES nations not to forget the working-classed people in their struggle to survive from day to day, and that this is a problem that has to be solved at an international stage.


It really doesn't. No one in my nation struggles to survive (as far as I am aware) since they all have free healthcare, free education and so forth.


(A) The elimination of the intentional discrimination by employers and government to overlook the working-class people for jobs that are usually granted to middle and upper class people. Jobs in the military, in corporation, in government, to list a few.


Generally the working class is a HUGE recruiting ground for the military - peopl with no skills and no future are more likely to sign up for the military than any other group.


(B) Creating Technical schools at no fee or minimal fee to the working-class person who volunteers and is not forced by the government to go to Technical school.


Define minimal? Minimal to the person, or to the government?


(C) Qualifications are unnecessary, however if one has education and other skills, they are welcome to voluntarily enter into the Technical School. From the working-class people, whoever voluntarily wants to learn in the Technical schools, free or not can go. Middle-class and Upper-class people who want to better their skills can join but it will not be free, they will have to pay to go to courses.


No! If you are going to let people go free, you have to let EVERYONE go free, otherwise you are just discriminating against rich people.

Further more I still want qualifications to some degree. Someone has to be able to show an ability to do basic maths if they want to become an accountant. Someone has to be able to have basic literary skills if they want to become a librarian. Someone has to be able to know one end of the sword from the other if they want to join the army.

I am not asking for degrees or even school-certificates, but the Technical School they are going in to should be able to test them to see if they will be able to understand what they are about to be taught, otherwise it will just be a waste of the schools time, the persons time, all the other students time and the governments money.

And seriously - everyone goes free or no one does.


(D) This resolution also urges that Technical schools allow the inclusion of middle and upper class people, but recommends that working class people are not forced aside, and they continue with their lives before Technical schools.


Yeah- I have no idea what the hell this means, but it doesn't sound good.


(E) This resolution urges the creation of Technical schools by governments within a 5-10 year period.


So we can take longer to build them? How about we take 100,000 years to set this all up? Would that be acceptable under the proposal?


(F) Technical schools can offer courses such as these listed but not confined to them; Military training, government official, Automotive, Mining, Corporation executive jobs, and courses that the nation decides benefits its people toward their economical success in their country teaching them skills for jobs they cannot get to with their knowledge and skills now.


Generally the military does its own training, and again I have to restate the point that the poor are more likely to enlist than the rich.


(G) This resolution recommends that in Technical schools, working-class people receive a small 'allowance' every month especially in nations where there is no social welfare to help them.


No - either you give it to everyone or you don't give it to anyone.


(H) This resolution also recommends on the job training at Technical schools. That students at the Technical schools can spend a few days each course, learning the valuable on-the-job training as well as Technical school 'classroom' studies.


Who pays for the on-the-job training? The school? The government? The company?


(I) Technical schools are not used as bases for the 're-programming' of working-class people. By reprograming, that means they are sent away until they are transformed into government supporting drones.

(J) As in point (I), turning Technical School students means, do not have the Technical schools turn into a Government re-education program trying to stiffle dissidence.


If J is just restating I then why bother?


(K) This resolution URGES that schools will not discriminate based on the working-classes personal religious, ethical, and political views as well as ethnic background. No action will be taken against anyone person who enters the Technical schools even if their beliefs oppose the governments.


Ok - the way you have written it means it is perfectly okay to discriminate against middle and upper class people when they apply. That can't be what you meant to do, right?


Conclusion:

Technical School Training Act is important socially because it will end discrimination, intentional discrimination of working class people. Which is not acknowledged in the Universal Bill of Rights. It will give the working-class people the chance to improve themselves educationally and get better jobs in their countries workforce. Finally, it would sound reasonable to have a productive, happy working-class society than having a revolutionary coming to your home with a assault rifle screaming for revolution.


Given that I entirely disagree with most of your points, you won't be surprised to learn I disagree with your conlusion to.



Third Edition:



I believe that is a good second draft.

Wouldn't it be a third draft? And a second redraft?

OOC: To deal with the questions or comments dealt by Pallatium, most nations are not like yours. Your nation may be unique in the social-class condition of the social classes of your nation. I am glad as Queen you came from a working background, but in some nations, the working class people are left to be on their own which is a serious problem which is what this resolution, is trying to get at.

However, you do have some points, and I will try to allieviate some of your concerns.


Fourth Draft:


UN Resolution: Technical School Training Act (TSTA) (Rough Draft)
Social Justice
Significant

AFFIRMS the right of working-class people in every UN nation to have the right to education and jobs. That they are not clearly passed over by corporation top executives or government top executives because of the basis of their social class.

AFFIRMS that working-class people are classified as the poorest sections of a nations society receiving jobs at the lowest rung of the hierarchical world of business.

ACKNOWLEDGES that because of circumstances (poverty, discrimination, etc.) around them working-classed people may not receive the same education or skills that upper and middle classed people have.

PROBLEM: Working-Class people in most nations, because of the situation around them, appear more likely to leave school earlier than middle and upper class families; plus the addition of poverty on top of these working class areas results in suffering. Thus, working-class people may become disenfranchised from their government and society and decide to have a REVOLUTION to replace the society that surrounds them.

This resolution URGES nations not to forget the working-classed people in their struggle to survive from day to day, and that this is a problem that has to be solved at an international stage.

Solution:

(A) The elimination of the intentional discrimination by employers and government to overlook the working-class people for jobs that are usually granted to middle and upper class people. Jobs as officers or NCOs in the military, civil servant jobs within government, and corporate jobs as examples.

(B) Creation of Technical schools at a minimal fee for the working-class person who volunteers for Technical school. The Technical school is open to people who are of middle and upper class. These people who want to better their skills, at the government's choosing can pay the same fee as working-class people do or a higher fee. However, this higher fee cannot be more than 5% than the fee a working class person pays.

(C) Qualifications are unnecessary to enter Technical school, however if one has education and other skills, they are welcome to voluntarily enter into the Technical School.

(D) This resolution urges nations to include middle and upper class people, but ensure that working-class people are allowed to enter into Technical Schools to better themselves, so the Technical school doesn't become another area that working-class people can't better themselves.

(E) This resolution urges the creation of Technical Schools by governments within a 5-10 year period.

(F) Technical schools can offer courses such as these listed but not confined to them; Military training, government official, Automotive, Mining, Corporation executive jobs, and courses that the nation decides benefits its people toward their economical success in their country teaching them skills for jobs they cannot get to with their knowledge and skills now.

(G) This resolution recommends that if a person that enters into a Technical school and has to leave work, no matter what class, a small allowance be made to that person and their family based on the size of their income before they entered into the Technical school. This allowance will be received each month until the person has finished their schooling at the Technical school.

(H) This resolution also recommends on the job training at Technical schools. That students at the Technical schools can spend a few days each course, learning the valuable on-the-job training as well as Technical school 'classroom' studies. Because the government runs the Technical schools, it is recommended that these governments pay for on-the-job training days.

(I) Technical schools are not used as bases for the 're-programming' of working-class people. By reprograming, that means they are sent away until they are transformed into government supporting drones. Therefore, the Technical schools are not to become government-support re-education centers.

(K) This resolution URGES that schools will not discriminate based on the working-classes personal religious, ethical, and political views as well as ethnic background. No action will be taken against anyone person who enters the Technical schools even if their beliefs oppose the governments.

Conclusion:

Technical School Training Act is important socially because it will end discrimination, intentional discrimination of working class people. Which is not acknowledged in the Universal Bill of Rights. It will give the working-class people the chance to improve themselves educationally and get better jobs in their countries workforce. Finally, it would sound reasonable to have a productive, happy working-class society than having a revolutionary coming to your home with a assault rifle screaming for revolution.

I believe that is a good fourth draft.

OOC: I try to include and change the wording to the resolution to meet some desires, but I am not going to change the common prinicple of the resolution regarding the working-class people and trying to better their lives through Technical Schools.

Some nations are extremely different to others, but this is not based on one nation, this is to at least 30,000 + nations.

I think I'd approve this one as it is. However, there is one thing.

(A) The elimination of the intentional discrimination by employers and government to overlook the working-class people for jobs that are usually granted to middle and upper class people. Jobs as officers or NCOs in the military, civil servant jobs within government, and corporate jobs as examples.
I see you have gone back from my suggestion of defining corporate jobs. Sad. Or perhaps you just left it out by mistake. Remember, a corporate job could be interpreted as working in an assembly line owned by a corporation. I'd change it to executive and managing jobs.

However, I think its great as it is. I congratulate Assatru for writing this.

OOC: I meant to say this at some point. Are you Asatru in real life? Because I am.

Regarding Pallatium's comments, I commend her for rising above her born stature, but remind her Pallatium is a very unique nation in its equality between classes. I did not rise from anything. My nation is a feudalist one, and my father was Grand Duke of Habardia before me, and his father and his father, and so on for eighteen generations. And in my neighbouring nation of Roma Nordica, I am told, although there is a Senate/Parliament, only those of the patrician class can vote. Just as an example of diversity.

I will add that. Thank you, that was an error.

OOC: And yes I myself am an Asatru follower.

I will add that. Thank you, that was an error.

OOC: And yes I myself am an Asatru follower.
Good, then I believe I'm ready to approve this.

OOC: Cool.

I can't support this being significant, or don't think it can be. It doesn't really do anything, so has to be mild.

I know - it establishes the tech-schools, but then you "urge" us to build them in ten years, but set no real time frame so we can ignore it.

I can't support this being significant, or don't think it can be. It doesn't really do anything, so has to be mild.

I know - it establishes the tech-schools, but then you "urge" us to build them in ten years, but set no real time frame so we can ignore it.
Just like any other resolution, if you really wanted to.

Just like any other resolution, if you really wanted to.

That's the thing - most other "significant" resolutions require the nations to take action and do something. This one doesn't, so it should be mild (imxhooc)

Many nations have pre-existing adult education systems which work perfectly well and aid social mobility. Why should we scrap our systems and build slightly different ones to fit your terms?

This kind of micro-management of the terms, right down to dictating a system for determining student support grants, is impractical - not because I'm concerned about national sovereignty (anyone will tell you that's never been a concern of mine), but because the sheer diversity of UN nations means that whilst it is fine by me to dictate ends (such as, providing educational opportunities to disadvantaged adults), it is frequently best to leave many details of the means to those ends up to individual nations.

Luckily, your text is vague enough to allow us to maintain our schools and simply set a plan to build one technical school at some point in the far-flung future (and when that time is reached, the plans will be postponed again). I think Pallatium is right about the category here. What you've actually managed to do is set out a complex set of criteria for what constitutes a technical school, but failed in your original objection to push governments to actually provide. You've dictated the means to an end, but not actually required that member states reach that end.

Another major flaw is that it appears to grant anyone "working class" (still undefined) absolute right to attend these schools and be paid, regardless of the work they put in and the progress they make. If someone is clearly putting in no effort, or is failing test after test because they clearly have no aptitude for the subject they have chosen, it has to be possible to issue an ultimatum - work harder/switch to a subject you can do, or you'll be thrown off the course. Otherwise, people can just sponge off the grants we give students and do absolutely nothing. This doesn't mean that qualifications should be required to enter the course, but it means that schools need the right to set standards that must be maintained if students wish to remain on the courses.

This absolute right to take these courses also brings up the problem of people who might simply enrol in course after course and not actually go get a job, or keep quitting their new jobs and coming back to the schools. Given our limited resources, this isn't fair on other people who also need these schools. Nations need to be able to reserve the right to create their own systems for assessing whether adults deserve to receive more free courses, and to be able to require some students to pay their own way if they wish to do more courses.

And I really do agree very strongly with Pallatium that if these schools are to be free for anyone, they MUST be free for everyone. The rich can pay more taxes to fund the things, but in the same way that we don't charge the rich money at the point of use for our free healthcare or police services, we shouldn't be charging them to join the poor on these courses.

Finally, a major concern as yet not looked at is basing student grants on previous wages. This is fairly absurd, since the whole idea is supposed to be about giving people a chance to be upwardly socially mobile, but you'll be giving rich people bigger student grants than poor people. Plus, many people enrolling in adult education courses will be unemployed, so their previous wages will be zero. Student grants ought to be equitable, or based on need.

First off, for draft proposal I have gotten rid of free. The working-class people pay a small fee while governments can charge middle and upper class people the same fee, or no more than 5%.

Second, your idea about having nations having the right to create their own system is what is trying to be changed. Some nations are not even concerned about their working classed people or any other social class people to begin with. This is implmenting a system that allows for people to gain skills that can let them go forward.

Thirdly, allowances, regards the wage a person takes in. If a person who takes in 0 before entering technical school gets a larger 'allowance' than a person who made six figures before they entered Technical school. However, if the six figure guy has a huge family and he is the only one making money than the 'allowance' will configure again, but on a simple level, a working-class person, possibly unemployed will get a bigger allowance than a middle or upper-class person, proportional to their family and life.

UN Resolution: Technical School Training Act (TSTA) (Rough Draft)
Social Justice
Significant

AFFIRMS the right of people regardless of class to have the right to education and jobs, and they cannot be passed over because of the basis of their social class.

AFFIRMS that working-class people are classified as the poorest sections in a nation’s society, receiving jobs at the lowest rung of the hierarchical world of business.

ACKNOWLEDGES that because of poverty, discrimination, etc, around them working-classed people may not receive the same education or skills that other social classes receive.

PROBLEM: As stated above, working-class people in most nations because of the situation around, education, discrimination, social poverty, etc., they may become disenfranchised from their government and society and decide to have a REVOLUTION to replace their society.

Solution:

(A) The elimination of the intentional discrimination by employers and government to overlook people because of social class and allow working-class people the same chance for jobs that are usually granted to middle and upper class people. These jobs include as officers or NCOs in the military, civil servant jobs within government, and corporate executive and managerial jobs for examples.

(B) Creation of Technical schools at a minimal fee for the working-class person who volunteers for Technical school but the technical school is open to anyone who is from a middle and upper class background. At the government’s choosing upper and middle classed students can pay the same fee as working-class people or a higher fee that does not exceed 5% that a working-class person pays.

(C) Qualifications are unnecessary to enter Technical school. If you have an educational background you are welcomed in Technical Schools.

(D) This resolution urges the creation of Technical Schools by governments starting at an earliest date of 5 years and a latest date of 20 years, so nations can get their social system in order.

(E) Technical schools can offer courses such as these listed but not confined to them; Military training, government official, Automotive, Mining, Corporation executive jobs, and courses that the nation decides benefits its people toward their economical success.

(F) This resolution recommends that if a person enters into a Technical school and needs to leave work, no matter what social class, a small allowance be made to that person and their family based on the size of their income and their situation before entering a Technical school. This allowance will be received each month until the person has finished their schooling at the Technical school.

(G) Several days will be spent by students at Technical schools learning valuable on-the-job training as well as Technical school 'classroom' studies. Technical schools being government run results in on-the-job training days being paid for by the government.

(H) Technical schools are not used for the 're-programming' of people who do not like the government. People who enter, voluntarily into Technical schools will not be transformed into government supporting drones, ensuring that Technical schools will never become government-support re-education centers.

(I) This resolution URGES that schools will not discriminate based on peoples personal religious, ethical, and political views as well as ethnic background. No action will be taken against anyone person who enters the Technical schools even if their beliefs oppose the governments.

Conclusion:

Technical School Training Act is important socially because it will end discrimination, intentional discrimination based on social class, not recognized by the Universal Bill of Rights. It will give the people the chance to improve themselves educationally and get better jobs in their countries workforce. Finally, it would sound reasonable to have a productive, happy social class structure in a nation, instead of having a revolutionary coming to your home with a assault rifle screaming for revolution.

Now I think it is significant. Some people say that they can find ways around it but I will point out reasons why it is significant.

1) AFFIRMS the right of people regardless of class to have the right to education and jobs, and they cannot be passed over because of the basis of their social class.
AFFIRMS that working-class people are classified as the poorest sections in a nation’s society, receiving jobs at the lowest rung of the hierarchical world of business.
ACKNOWLEDGES that because of poverty, discrimination, etc, around them working-classed people may not receive the same education or skills that other social classes receive.

Now with that, the resolution acknowledges what a working class section of society is. It is classified as the poorest sections in a nation’s society now, if the resolution is passed, UN nations can not refute that. The resolution also acknowledges that because of poverty, discrimination, etc, around them working-classed people may not receive the same education or skills that other social classes receive.


2) (A) The elimination of the intentional discrimination by employers and government to overlook people because of social class and allow working-class people the same chance for jobs that are usually granted to middle and upper class people. These jobs include as officers or NCOs in the military, civil servant jobs within government, and corporate executive and managerial jobs for examples.

This is significant because it states the elimnation of discrimination because of social class allowing the same chance for jobs from every social class. The Universial Bill Of Rights failed to mention this.

3) (D) This resolution urges the creation of Technical Schools by governments starting at an earliest date of 5 years and a latest date of 20 years, so nations can get their social system in order.

Now, this resolution urges that at an earliest date of 5 years nations begin to prepare creating Technical Schools. The latest date that you can have before the creation of Technical schools is 20 years. That is significant, gives a nation 5-20 years to prepare Technical schools.

4) (H) Technical schools are not used for the 're-programming' of people who do not like the government. People who enter, voluntarily into Technical schools will not be transformed into government supporting drones, ensuring that Technical schools will never become government-support re-education centers.

(I) This resolution URGES that schools will not discriminate based on peoples personal religious, ethical, and political views as well as ethnic background. No action will be taken against anyone person who enters the Technical schools even if their beliefs oppose the governments.

Also significant is that, Technical schools will not, and cannot become 're-educational programing centers for governments. If someone enters a Technical school they cannot be turned away because they hate the government.

That is four reasons why I think it is significant. There is probably more!

maybe you need a provision to incorporate that something like this may exist. _Myopia_ brought up the point, as did i in the other thread of what if we already have it in place. we are not willing to duplicate an already existing system, as that would cost too much money. a clause needs to be put in to cater for that

AFFIRMS the right of people regardless of class to have the right to education and jobs, and they cannot be passed over because of the basis of their social class.

AFFIRMS that working-class people are classified as the poorest sections in a nation’s society, receiving jobs at the lowest rung of the hierarchical world of business.

ACKNOWLEDGES that because of poverty, discrimination, etc, around them working-classed people may not receive the same education or skills that other social classes receive.

PROBLEM: As stated above, working-class people in most nations because of the situation around, education, discrimination, social poverty, etc., they may become disenfranchised from their government and society and decide to have a REVOLUTION to replace their society.

Solution:

(A) The elimination of the intentional discrimination by employers and government to overlook people because of social class and allow working-class people the same chance for jobs that are usually granted to middle and upper class people. These jobs include as officers or NCOs in the military, civil servant jobs within government, and corporate executive and managerial jobs for examples.

(B) Creation of Technical schools at a minimal fee for the working-class person who volunteers for Technical school but the technical school is open to anyone who is from a middle and upper class background. At the government’s choosing upper and middle classed students can pay the same fee as working-class people or a higher fee that does not exceed 5% that a working-class person pays.

(C) Qualifications are unnecessary to enter Technical school. If you have an educational background you are welcomed in Technical Schools.

(D) This resolution urges the creation of Technical Schools by governments starting at an earliest date of 5 years and a latest date of 20 years, so nations can get their social system in order.

(E) Technical schools can offer courses such as these listed but not confined to them; Military training, government official, Automotive, Mining, Corporation executive jobs, and courses that the nation decides benefits its people toward their economical success.

(F) This resolution recommends that if a person enters into a Technical school and needs to leave work, no matter what social class, a small allowance be made to that person and their family based on the size of their income and their situation before entering a Technical school. This allowance will be received each month until the person has finished their schooling at the Technical school.

(G) Several days will be spent by students at Technical schools learning valuable on-the-job training as well as Technical school 'classroom' studies. Technical schools being government run results in on-the-job training days being paid for by the government.

(H) Technical schools are not used for the 're-programming' of people who do not like the government. People who enter, voluntarily into Technical schools will not be transformed into government supporting drones, ensuring that Technical schools will never become government-support re-education centers.

(I) This resolution URGES that schools will not discriminate based on peoples personal religious, ethical, and political views as well as ethnic background. No action will be taken against anyone person who enters the Technical schools even if their beliefs oppose the governments.

(J) If nations have a similar system to Technical School Training Act, this resolution urges the introduction of any article in this said resolution that is not enacted within the similar system that the nation may already practice.

Conclusion:

Technical School Training Act is important socially because it will end discrimination, intentional discrimination based on social class, not recognized by the Universal Bill of Rights. It will give the people the chance to improve themselves educationally and get better jobs in their countries workforce. Finally, it would sound reasonable to have a productive, happy social class structure in a nation, instead of having a revolutionary coming to your home with a assault rifle screaming for revolution.

much better

Thank you!

That's the thing - most other "significant" resolutions require the nations to take action and do something. This one doesn't, so it should be mild (imxhooc)
So make it mild. It'll probably work in the proposal's favour anyway.

(J) If nations have a similar system to Technical School Training Act, this resolution urges the introduction of any article in this said resolution that is not enacted within the similar system that the nation may already practice.

So all that a nation has to do is set up one adult education centre, declare it similar to the technical schools, and suddenly everything goes from being obligatory to being just "urged" and therefore optional.

Thanks, by the way, because _Myopia_ has no intention of enforcing your regulations on our already exemplary adult education system, which has been very successful (considering the constraints of our poverty) aiding social mobility and enriching lives for years, despite not fitting the regulations for your technical schools (which don't even seem to be all that technical, actually - an ill-fitting name, in our opinion).

Your premise itself is dodgy:

(A) The elimination of the intentional discrimination by employers and government to overlook people because of social class and allow working-class people the same chance for jobs that are usually granted to middle and upper class people. These jobs include as officers or NCOs in the military, civil servant jobs within government, and corporate executive and managerial jobs for examples.

There is little intentional discrimination against the working class in modern society. Discrimination is against the unqualified - people aren't overlooked for being working class, they're overlooked for being less capable of fulfilling the role. What is needed is most certainly not an equalisation of "chance for jobs" (this would technically mean that employers would have to randomly select people from a pool of people from different social classes) but of the opportunity to obtain useful qualifications which are within the ability of the individual to achieve.

(B) Creation of Technical schools at a minimal fee for the working-class person who volunteers for Technical school but the technical school is open to anyone who is from a middle and upper class background. At the government’s choosing upper and middle classed students can pay the same fee as working-class people or a higher fee that does not exceed 5% that a working-class person pays.

Now you've forced us to charge entry for these schools. What if we want to offer them free to everyone? Your resolution actually doesn't allow it. We'd have to institute a complex, bureacratic and wasteful system of paying grants to students which they'd then pay back to us for tuition fees.

(C) Qualifications are unnecessary to enter Technical school. If you have an educational background you are welcomed in Technical Schools.

So you have to have had a schooling to be welcomed, which kind of goes against the spirit of waiving requirements of qualifications. This blocks potentially intelligent people who simply never had a chance to stay in school as children, whilst still not addressing our concerns about people who simply don't have the abilities required for these courses.

(D) This resolution urges the creation of Technical Schools by governments starting at an earliest date of 5 years and a latest date of 20 years, so nations can get their social system in order.

Thankfully, this still only "urges" so it is still only optional to actually build these things.

(E) Technical schools can offer courses such as these listed but not confined to them; Military training, government official, Automotive, Mining, Corporation executive jobs, and courses that the nation decides benefits its people toward their economical success.

Since when can one course adequately prepare people for such diverse ranges of careers encompassed by course titles such as "government official" and "Automotive"? Don't try to set course titles. And our military prefers to conduct its own training. Non-military qualifications are sufficient for entry at levels requiring external qualifications.

(F) This resolution recommends that if a person enters into a Technical school and needs to leave work, no matter what social class, a small allowance be made to that person and their family based on the size of their income and their situation before entering a Technical school. This allowance will be received each month until the person has finished their schooling at the Technical school.

Student loans require more detailed considerations than this. Leave it out, because a UN resolution could never set appropriate universal guidelines.

Thirdly, allowances, regards the wage a person takes in. If a person who takes in 0 before entering technical school gets a larger 'allowance' than a person who made six figures before they entered Technical school. However, if the six figure guy has a huge family and he is the only one making money than the 'allowance' will configure again, but on a simple level, a working-class person, possibly unemployed will get a bigger allowance than a middle or upper-class person, proportional to their family and life.

You don't explain this in the resolution, furthermore it's not good enough. What if they earned six-figures (I'll ignore the fact that in Novas, _Myopia_'s currency, 6 figures isn't really all that much) but by the time they entered the school, they had little savings left (perhaps all their investments crashed and they were fired). Or what if they have disabilities that mean they need more money to support themselves? Face it, you can't account for everything, so you're going to have to leave out any attempt to impose the terms of student grants.

And your definition of "working class"?

the poorest sections in a nation’s society

Fantastically vague.