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sex is wrong before marriage
Gruenberg
11-11-2005, 23:58
sex is wrong before marriage
Actually, it's quite fun.
Habardia
11-11-2005, 23:59
sex is wrong before marriage
say what?? did i click on some bizarro link and leave nationstates for rightwingchristian.com or somthing?? how is this relevant?
no you didnt but if were going to treat it like real life f*cken deal with it
Gruenberg
12-11-2005, 00:04
no you didnt but if were going to treat it like real life f*cken deal with it
Again, calm down. Just present your argument as to why we should repeal "Sexual Freedom". Is is a matter of moral principle? Or is it simply taht the original resolution is poorly worded?
Habardia
12-11-2005, 00:06
no you didnt but if were going to treat it like real life f*cken deal with it
Gruenberg's right. No one's attacking you or your beliefs. It is just this is not the way to present an argument. If you are just venting your frustration you can go to another forum. If you want to repeal Sexual Freedom do it rationally.
The White Skunk
12-11-2005, 00:09
sex is wrong before marriage
Maybe but who are we to decide if a young cupple can express their sexuality the way they feel it or not. Kids experiment with their sex in their teens they learn a lot about themselves, their bodies and their emotions.:fluffle:
Pallatium
12-11-2005, 00:30
Do you want me to list every single reason why you are so unbelievably wrong it hurts? Cause I can :}
(note - this is addressed at LORLI, not anyone else)
Do you want me to list every single reason why you are so unbelievably wrong it hurts? Cause I can :}
(note - this is addressed at LORLI, not anyone else)
take your best shot why is sex before marriage ok
The Lynx Alliance
12-11-2005, 00:41
Quite a lot of nations oppose the ideological mindset of you and your nation, and they dont like the ideas of others putting their constricting morals on them. you are best to leave it up to your various religious places to condem sex before marrage.
Pallatium
12-11-2005, 01:04
take your best shot why is sex before marriage ok
You are not asking to ban sex before marriage, you are asking to repeal sexual freedom, which is a WHOLE OTHER ISSUE and way, way, way more serious than sex before marriage.
So - lets see.
Firstly - there is the issue of same sex relationships. The Sexual Freedom resolutions protects the right of same sex couples (of which I am one, by the way - me and my wife have been happily married for a few years now) to indulge in lovemaking in the privacy of their own home. If the SFR (Sexual Freedom Resolution, cause I am not typing it out each time) was repealed, same sex couples would still be free to indulge such passions, however given that some nations have attempted to ban such relationships in the past, it would leave the UN wide open to a moralistic crusade to ban all sorts of "deviant behaviour". This is entirely unnacceptable to me, and to a fair number of other nations.
Secondly - there is the more general issue of privacy. The SFR protects the right of consenting adults to indulge in whatever type of lovemaking they wish - be it bondage, tickling and other such things. Further more another resolution (Stop Privacy Intrusion) forbids nations from spying on their people while their people are in their own home. If the SFR is repealed, then the government would have to come up with some way of enforcing the bans they want to enact, which would put them inviolation of Stop Privacy Intrustion. How are you going to stop people having sex before marriage without spying on them?
Thirdly - religious dogma and moralistic values. We have a religion in Pallatium. Belief in Our Goddesses is widespread and strong, and personally it sometimes help when I have hard decisions to make. But it is not enforced on people - every single person is free to chose their own way in life ("we owe devotion to the Goddesses, but we must live our own lives" as a former Queen once said). If they wish to have sex before marriage, that is their affair and not anything to do with me. Same with all the other issues protected under The SFR - they are a matter for individuals, and not something the government has any business intefering in, and certainly not if the government is motivated by religious values. Further more we do not presume to speak for Our Goddesses - we are mere mortals and can not possibly understand what they want of us. So we don't even try to understand, and we live for the common good. So you can understand why we are not going to accept that we should alter our moral view points because another nation has decided to interpret the word of their divine being in a certain way.
Fourthly - sex is fun. And people should be permitted to have fun when they can get it, cause this world is not a fun place to live in most of the time.
Basically you are asking to repeal a resolution that grants people the right to be free in their own home. Which I think, personally, is one of the fundemental freedoms people should have. And while you might have minor moral objections to sex before marriage, this resolution grants MUCH broader freedoms than that one, and they all need to be protected.
The Eternal Kawaii
12-11-2005, 01:29
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Habardia
12-11-2005, 01:34
We are intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Ha. :)
_Myopia_
12-11-2005, 02:44
sex is wrong before marriage
We would contend that sex is right whenever the participants truly feel that it is right.