NationStates Jolt Archive

where have all the good proposals gone? i leave for aprox 6 months, and when i return, all the good, interesting and well thought out proposals have been replaced by proposals that can be picked to pieces, and thats just on legalities. i can see quite a few of the QA nations have gone, with fris, fib and TH being the ones remaining.
*shakes head*

Where have all the bastards gone?
The underbelly stacks up ten high
The dummy failed the crash test
Collecting unemployment checks
Like a flunkie along for the ride

Don't know. Gruenberg wasn't around six months ago. Maybe you should write one?

The "QA" nations? What are/were they?

And there have always been proposals that can be picked to pieces easily. Doesn't stop them going through.

QA means quality assurence. there were a few of us 6 months ago, obviously a few have gone. fibs, if you read this, what ever happened to Vas?

QA means quality assurence. there were a few of us 6 months ago, obviously a few have gone. fibs, if you read this, what ever happened to Vas?

He was deleted.

I think you're wrong. I believe there are too many 'qa' nations now: people like me who sit around and criticise others' proposals without actually creating their own. The people you mentioned have all authored legislation. It is also worth remembering there are really only 2 sources of quality assurance: the ruling of the moderators, and the will of the UN GA.

He was deleted.

I think you're wrong. I believe there are too many 'qa' nations now: people like me who sit around and criticise others' proposals without actually creating their own. The people you mentioned have all authored legislation. It is also worth remembering there are really only 2 sources of quality assurance: the ruling of the moderators, and the will of the UN GA.
there was a difference with our lot. finally remembered who they were and looks like they were all deleted. mine was the lynx alliance

Vastiva was DEATed for offences unrelated to the UN (some still question the ruling, but there was no successful appeal).
Texan and Flib are still around. Fris became first Forum Mod, and now Game Mod.

What, pray tell, was the 'difference' with your 'lot'?

i dunno, there was just something. at least when we picked the proposals to pieces, they were actually re-written better and some have actually gone through, where as just looking now, the quality has dropped heaps and the picking is just that, picking, with no helping. two others were DLE and Til, but they have expired/were deleted too (thanx for ur UNOG link for helping me remember their names)

i dunno, there was just something. at least when we picked the proposals to pieces, they were actually re-written better and some have actually gone through, where as just looking now, the quality has dropped heaps and the picking is just that, picking, with no helping. two others were DLE and Til, but they have expired/were deleted too (thanx for ur UNOG link for helping me remember their names)

DLE expired. How you interpret that word is up to you. TilEnca is Pallatium.

In my experience, DLE didn't pick apart proposals: she feasted on their carcasses. That's not to criticise her, though. But you seem to drawing parallels between a number of very different posters. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make: could you give some examples to a humble newbie who wasn't around to witness your glorious deeds?

DLE expired. How you interpret that word is up to you. TilEnca is Pallatium.
There's some debate over that last point, but I'll leave Pallatium to have the final word there.

In my experience, DLE didn't pick apart proposals: she feasted on their carcasses. That's not to criticise her, though. But you seem to drawing parallels between a number of very different posters. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make: could you give some examples to a humble newbie who wasn't around to witness your glorious deeds?
Indeed, your list covers militarists, sovereigntists, mods, and others. An interesting blend.

i dunno how to put it... while they were taken apart, a better version of the proposal came out of it from advice, where as now looking at them, some arnt bothering to read the rules, and some just arnt even bothering to past proposals here. i know the latter has always happened, its just that there seems to be more now than there was before. thanx for the info on til

i dunno, there was just something. at least when we picked the proposals to pieces, they were actually re-written better and some have actually gone through, where as just looking now, the quality has dropped heaps and the picking is just that, picking, with no helping. two others were DLE and Til, but they have expired/were deleted too (thanx for ur UNOG link for helping me remember their names)
I remember back before repeals went in, there was a lot more helping than now. Mainly because every resolution was absolute and finite - you couldn't go back and correct things, so proposals had to be as good as possible when submitted. That changed with repeals, as many took up the position of: "well, it's not great, but we can always deal with it later".

Agreed: I dislike that aspect of repeals. That said, getting a repeal and a replacement to vote are considerable efforts, and I do hope no one rushes through because they think they can do a replacement quickly.

Reading old UN threads, seems there's always been people who haven't read the rules; I certainly hadn't read the section on repeals until embarrassingly recently. If you feel something has been lost, so be it, but I'm not sure I'm in a position to agree.

I predict that a year from now, there will be a thread describing autumn '05 as "the good ol' days".

i dunno, there was just something. at least when we picked the proposals to pieces, they were actually re-written better and some have actually gone through, where as just looking now, the quality has dropped heaps and the picking is just that, picking, with no helping. two others were DLE and Til, but they have expired/were deleted too (thanx for ur UNOG link for helping me remember their names)

I agree we could do with some more positivity in the UN - some people are too negative (although I've been saying that for more than 6 months), but I don't think the current batch of nations are especially better or worse than those in the past.

Anyway, I'm still about doing my bit. Wasn't especially active 6 months ago, but I still try and improve proposals when they land on my desk.

There have been quite a few 'good old days'. I never noticed much of a difference, with the exception of the jolt move and repeals being added. I don't think it's better or worse though.

Does anyone even remember what 'gay science' is?

There have been quite a few 'good old days'. I never noticed much of a difference, with the exception of the jolt move and repeals being added. I don't think it's better or worse though.

Does anyone even remember what 'gay science' is?Remember the phrase, not the discussion. :)

Remember the phrase, not the discussion. :)
Funny how it became so memorable. Must have been through my use of the chisel. A big monument with 'never forget how stupid people are' written across the bottom.

Bull. DLE never improved a single Proposal. All he was interested in was ripping them apart, making the author feel like an idiot, and yammer about how nothing could ever have any affect on him because he was an uber-1337 star-empire with 420 zillion lightyears worth of DEAT-traps to keep anybody from ever getting anywhere near.

Nostalgia: Remembering yesterday's prices while forgetting yesterday's wages.

I agree we could do with some more positivity in the UN - some people are too negative (although I've been saying that for more than 6 months), but I don't think the current batch of nations are especially better or worse than those in the past.

Some people think that there's a lot to be negative about...

I predict that a year from now, there will be a thread describing autumn '05 as "the good ol' days".
;)

In my language we use {literally transcripted}:
"That was better before" :D
Can we say that?

There's some debate over that last point, but I'll leave Pallatium to have the final word there.


(smirk)

(ooc, obviously)

My former nation was Tilenca, and I have since come back as me. Generally I am still the same - I don't think NatSov is the be all and end all of life, I am not a fan of the death penalty, I am a fan of human rights and so forth. Yeah there is the whole creationism/ID/evolution thing but of all the resolutions passed while I was away that has to be the biggest load of bollocks I have seen (no offence) and it annoys me, so I am gonna try to do something about it.

I still don't actually care about my nation and it's stats, and am just here for the debates and so forth (That was the case when I was Tori as well).

So yeah - I am kind of the same country, just with some different view points cause the UN is not the UN it was when here last. And if I had stayed, I would most likely be the person I am now, just as Tilenca instead.

Times change, and we change with them :}

I blame the sovereigntists, I just do. J/K though they do seem to me to be a reason for putting people off posting what actually are good proposals. Also I think the 'sheep' factor hurts too as far as bad proposals getting through.

I blame the sovereigntists, I just do. J/K though they do seem to me to be a reason for putting people off posting what actually are good proposals. Also I think the 'sheep' factor hurts too as far as bad proposals getting through.

I used to think I was a national soverignist....Now I'm moving towards an idea of personal soverignty sometimes overriding national soverignty, and the UN ensure the protection of personal soverignty at the expense of nat sov.

I blame the sovereigntists, I just do.
*hugs security blanket*

I blame Brittany Spears. With all her "Oops, I did it again", and all her "I'm too sexy for these clothes" and her "I'm gonna marry a free-loading hilljack just to spite the normal, hard-working guys out there"--it's got to have a detremental effect on...

...what is it we're blaming things for again?

If you think this place has gone to pot, just invade Chechnya.

If you think this place has gone to pot, just invade Chechnya.

It seems to me that it's been a long since the last time Chechnya had been invaded:

Love and esterel will proudly join a coalition to peacefully invade Chechnya on a regular basis in order to restore FUN in Chechnya.:D



http://www.nationstates.net/34735/page=display_region/region=chechnya

http://test256.free.fr/Chechnya.jpg

If you think this place has gone to pot, just invade Chechnya.

Yes, that always works well. Not that I would know that from experience, of course.:cool:

Thanks to the Cyberian Plains for the flattery. It won't get you anywhere, but I still appreciate it.:)

Quality Assurance Officer reporting for duty!:D

I bet the RL Chechens wish they could bar delegate access to regional control.

I bet the RL Chechens wish they could bar delegate access to regional control.

the founder barred delegate access to regional control

Does invading a region mean access regional control or just become Delegate?

the founder barred delegate access to regional control

Does invading a region mean access regional control or just become Delegate?

Just becoming delegate. But it's not much fun if you're going to be whacked by the founder straight away, and if you can't really do anything in there.

Anyway, I think Yelda's right: there will always be people looking back with fondness on days gone by. But it doesn't ultimately help anything. Best to move on, and try to undo all their glorious work with lots of lovely repeals.