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Propose: Youth Court System and minimum sentences

Assatru
09-11-2005, 00:50
Now correct me if I am wrong, it may have come up in another Resolution but I would like to propose.

UN Resolution
Creating Youth Court System
Human Right
Significant

Recognizes: Youth crime is evident in most nations and it is one of the main problem to the police forces who cannot deal with it properly.

Argument: Even though most countries have a problem with youth crime, sending them to prisons filled with harden criminals will not solve the problem. Torturing or executing youth-criminals is barbaric and will not solve the problem because youth enter into crime because of a variety of social and economic aspects in their lives. Adults do as well, but with youths, they can be led astray more easily than the average criminal adult. With the introduction of these facilities to help youth criminals, not only does one help out the poorer people of their societies giving them chances after rehabilitation it will be a step toward modernizing ones own nation when it comes to youth. A youth who goes into a facility and is rehabilitated is better off than one who is dead.

Acknowledges: The fact that youth crime should be recognized as a problem and a solution found.

Solution:

(A) Creation of a new criminal court system for youths. All youths being under the age of 18.

(B) This resolution requests the creation of prisons or correctional facilities for these youths so they can be rehabilitated back into society.

(C) If a UN nation does not want to pay for new facilities, a donation fund will be created called "Youth Crime Prevention Fund" which will create prisons or facilities for the rehabilitation of youth criminals.

(D) The banning of Torture and Execution for anyone under the age of 18 for petty or violent crimes. (Could be revised)

(E) This resolution states that the National governments of the United Nations have the right to choose what sentences should be passed down to their legal minors but recommends the use of correctional facilities for minors proposed in this resolution so the minors can be reintergrated into society after learning new skills at the national government's choosing. However, Torture or Execution of a 'minor' cannot take place.

(F) Violent crimes such as murder, robbery, hostage taking, terrorism, rape, torture, arson, violent assault or violent confrontation with the government, .

This is a working document, but what do you think?
The Cyberian Plains
09-11-2005, 01:06
looks good, but.... there should be more emphasis on nations creating the system rather than creating a UN system. that will keep both those who like the idea, and those who call 'national-sovereignty' happy
Ausserland
09-11-2005, 01:08
The honorable representative of Assatru has obviously put a good deal of thought into this draft and we commend his effort. When we look at a proposal and try to decide whether to support it or not, the first two questions we ask ourselves are:

Is this something that should be done?
and

Who should be doing it?

In this case, we think the second question should be answered first. Let's leave aside the substantive merits for a moment. Why is this something the NSUN should be legislating? Wouldn't it be better to leave it up to individual nations, which could better understand their individual sociocultural environments?

Hurlbot Barfanger
Ambassador to the United Nations
Gruenberg
09-11-2005, 01:09
Now correct me if I am wrong, it may have come up in another Resolution but I would like to propose.

I'm not sure how much is covered by UN law; some is, but I suspect it's a question of definition, so I don't see anything wrong with proposing this.

UN Resolution
Youth Court System with minimum sentences
Human Right
Significant

Cat etc. fine...clumsy title.

Recognizes: That in the game youth crime is evident in most every nation and that the police forces of the world, usually can't combat it properly.

I'd drop 'in the game': I don't like game references any more than RL. Simply recognise that youth crime is both a problem and a special problem.

Argument: Even though most countries have a problem with youth crime, sending them to prisons filled with harden criminals will not solve the problem. Torturing or executing youth-criminals is barbaric and will not solve the problem as well.

Why would this not be the case for adults? You might want to expand on why minors should be treated differently.

Acknowledges: The fact that youth crime should be recognized as a problem and a solution found.]

Possibly unnecessary if you sharpen up the first bit.

[QUOTE=Assatru](A) Creation of a new criminal court system for youths. All youths being under the age of 18.

For the purposes of the present resolution, a minor means every human being below the age of eighteen years unless, under the law applicable to the minor, majority is attained earlier.

Now, that's specific to TCPA, so you can go against it. I believe there may be other resolutions that talk about 18 equalling majority, but I'm not sure. But you might be better off nicking Stephistan's phrase, or simply stating that 'youths are legal minors'. Of course, if you simply referred to them as legal minors, you'd avoid that problem.

(B) Creation of prisons or correctional facilities for these youths so they can be rehabilitated back in society.

Not all national correctional facilities aim for rehabilitation: the Painination Station in Flurthwel, for example. But, broadly, this clause is fine. You might want to add in some operative language: CALLS FOR or REQUESTS, or even SUGGESTS or RECOMMENDS, the creation.

(C) If a UN nation does not want to pay for new facilities, a donation fund will be created called "Youth Crime Prevention Fund" which will create prisons or facilities for the rehabilitation of youth criminals.

How very generous of you. But how will the YCPF fund be maintained? And will nations really want to contribute? You might end up asking poorer nations to pay into the pocket of richer nations, simply because the latter are being vaguely non-compliant.

(D) The banning of Torture and Execution for anyone under the age of 18 for petty or violent crimes. (Could be revised)

I suspect the former is sort of covered between End Barbaric Punishments and TCPA. The latter is more interesting: that would be new precedent. We oppose it, but as it stands in your proposal, so be it. Also, why 'petty or violent'? What's left...corporate fraud? Just go for 'all crimes', if that's your aim.

(E) A minimum sentence of several years in prison for violent crimes and National assemblies can decide what the punishment should be for petty crimes.

National assemblies? Most states have laws set by judiciaries, not assemblies, and many operate on regional, not federal, level (take the RL USA). Why not just leave all sentencing with the state authorities? They're the ones who're best qualified to do so, after all.

(F) Violent crimes as murder, robbery, hostage taking, terrorism, torture, or open confrontation with the government.

And not rape? Not violent assault? Not arson? A violent crime is a violent crime (if you do it right it's just sublime): I don't think it's the place of this proposal to define it. I think simply cede that authority to a national level.

This is a working document, but what do you think?

Firstly, thank you for introducing working papers. It's much easier to help you. That said, I'm the wrong person to respond, I guess. I generally dislike proposals that mandate laws to states. This one, though, I think has some promise: there is precedent in UN law for treating youths differently. If you switch the emphasis away from mandating sentences and towards explaining why treating youth criminality is special, I'd be more inclined to support it.
Waterana
09-11-2005, 01:13
Perhaps you could also include education and training of skills be offered to youths while they are incarcerated . That way they will have a chance to get jobs and contribute to society when released.
Assatru
09-11-2005, 01:16
Thank you all for being so helpful. I will take most of your suggestions into consideration. Could you be a little more clear on 'national-sovereignty' (The Cyberian Plains?

Thanks!
Pallatium
09-11-2005, 01:22
Aside from the rest of it, which I haven't read, mandatory minimum sentences are wrong and dangerous, and my nation will have no part of them.
Assatru
09-11-2005, 01:25
Esteemed college from Pallatium would you please read the rest of the proposed resolution.
Pallatium
09-11-2005, 01:31
Tomorrow, but there is already another part I object to - "open confrontation with the government" is not a violent crime.
The Cyberian Plains
09-11-2005, 01:36
Thank you all for being so helpful. I will take most of your suggestions into consideration. Could you be a little more clear on 'national-sovereignty' (The Cyberian Plains?

Thanks!
there is an argument usually used in cases similar to this called the National-Sovereignty argument. it is usually used when it seems that the UN is encroching on nations abilities to set up their own laws and frameworks. a couple of examples is subjects taught in schools, and proposals imposing countries morals on others.

in this case, it would be that it impeads the right to choose whether minors get judged as adults. in some countries like ours, we try minors seperate, but in others, they try them as adults, and might resent the UN for imposing this on them. also, the way it seems as read, it over-rides country's legal systems anyway
Assatru
09-11-2005, 01:38
The honorable representative of Assatru has obviously put a good deal of thought into this draft and we commend his effort. When we look at a proposal and try to decide whether to support it or not, the first two questions we ask ourselves are:

Is this something that should be done?
and

Who should be doing it?

In this case, we think the second question should be answered first. Let's leave aside the substantive merits for a moment. Why is this something the NSUN should be legislating? Wouldn't it be better to leave it up to individual nations, which could better understand their individual sociocultural environments?

Hurlbot Barfanger
Ambassador to the United Nations

To answer your questions, I believe that both the NSUN and the individual nations should work together in this resolution.

First, it should be recognized that not all nations have youth facilities and engage in torture and execution to solve their youth problem. With the guidelines followed here, the youths of the countries would be put in a facility which would benefit them and benefit the nation as a whole when productive people come out of it.

I believe it would be in a nation's right to figure out the standards that this new court system could have. I.E. crime sentences etc, but without legislation supporting the creation of youth facilities, nothing would get done. The UN needs a collective push to get individual nations to commit to such a system.

That is why the Youth Crime Prevention Fund has been also proposed in the resolution.

Hopes this answers your questions.
Gruenberg
09-11-2005, 01:40
I agree with both of Pallatium's points. I would oppose UN-enforced minimum mandatory sentences, and believe that political protest does not constitute violent crime (except where it is expressly violent). This, I believe, highlights the problem of defining crimes: leave that to our national judiciaries.
Assatru
09-11-2005, 01:40
Gracious Pallatium Representative;

Open confrontation with the government means unrest and violence. Therefore, if a youth is caught creating anarchy for a better term, he will not be executed or tortured before or during his trial in this new court system, or after mind you.

I have changed it to violent confrontation with the government. Is that okay?
Assatru
09-11-2005, 01:43
With the minimum sentence, would it be more wise to put, recommends a minimum sentence of.

It takes most of the teeth out of that article, but would that be okay for everyone. Recommends or Requests just like article (B).
Gruenberg
09-11-2005, 01:44
No. Don't do any sentencing at all. Simply leave the jurisdiction in sentencing up to national legislatures. A recommendation is still going to tee off certain people.
Assatru
09-11-2005, 01:52
To my esteemed colleges at the United Nations that have entered discussion regarding this proposal;

I would exchange no sentencing requirements for petty crimes as well as all other crimes as long as the crimescrimes that are listed in article (F) that may be included are violent crimes and deserve facility treatment and the acceptance of no Torture or execution of 'youths' for any crimes.
Gruenberg
09-11-2005, 02:01
You're not really in a position to barter...we're just offering suggestions. It's your proposal, and it's up to you. But your list of violent crimes doesn't actually include physical assault: it's incomplete. 'Violent crime' is self-defining. Leave it at that, and allow us to sentence, and you'd have my support.
Reformentia
09-11-2005, 02:16
You're not really in a position to barter...we're just offering suggestions. It's your proposal, and it's up to you. But your list of violent crimes doesn't actually include physical assault: it's incomplete. 'Violent crime' is self-defining. Leave it at that, and allow us to sentence, and you'd have my support.

Actually, since the article states "Violent crimes such as..." what follows constitute examples of, not a comprehensive listing of, violent crimes. As such while there's no way not to include the examples as falling under "violent crimes", nothing stops you from extending the classification of "violent crime" to other crimes which qualify as well.

At least as we read it.
Ausserland
09-11-2005, 02:21
To answer your questions, I believe that both the NSUN and the individual nations should work together in this resolution.

First, it should be recognized that not all nations have youth facilities and engage in torture and execution to solve their youth problem. With the guidelines followed here, the youths of the countries would be put in a facility which would benefit them and benefit the nation as a whole when productive people come out of it.

I believe it would be in a nation's right to figure out the standards that this new court system could have. I.E. crime sentences etc, but without legislation supporting the creation of youth facilities, nothing would get done. The UN needs a collective push to get individual nations to commit to such a system.

That is why the Youth Crime Prevention Fund has been also proposed in the resolution.

Hopes this answers your questions.

While we commend the intentions of the honorable delegate from Assatru and thank him for his prompt response, we could not support this proposal as written. We believe that any attempt to set minimum standards of punishment for so broad a category as "violent crimes" is unrealistic. We continue to believe that this matter is best left to individual nations to handle, taking into account their specific sociocultural environments and existing legal systems. We have not closed our minds completely on the issue, but that is our position at the moment. Perhaps further refinement of the draft might change our minds.

We would also point out that torture is already prohibited as a punishment for crimes by NSUN Resolution #26, "The Universal Bill of Rights".

Hurlbot Barfanger
Ambassador to the United Nations
Gruenberg
09-11-2005, 02:21
Ah. He's edited it. If you see my first post, you see then it still said 'violent crimes as'. I assumed the missing word wasn't 'such', but 'defining': 'defining violent crimes as...'

But yes, you're right, so I remove my objection to that now he he's edited it.
Assatru
09-11-2005, 02:45
(E) This resolution states that the National governments of the United Nations have the right to choose what sentences should be passed down to their legal minors but recommends the use of correctional facilities for the minors proposed in this resolution so the minors can be reintergrated into society after learning new skills at the national government's choosing. However, Torture or Execution of a 'youth' cannot take place.

This is now what I have changed article (E) too. Is there any objections?

Also, I would like to introduce, if an esteemed college wants to introduce a 'article' of what they might desire in this proposal. I would be happy to review it and encorporate it into the proposal and give credit as co-offer to the person who sponsored that section.
Gruenberg
09-11-2005, 02:47
'too' should become 'to' in both cases
'integrated' not 'intergated'

What does 'acquire' mean in this context?
Assatru
09-11-2005, 02:55
Will change, too,

and acquire in the context means that it cannot take place. I will change that as well so there is no confusion.
Gruenberg
09-11-2005, 02:59
Also, I really don't like the term 'youth'. Legal minor, or just minor, would be much better, I feel.
Assatru
09-11-2005, 03:11
This is an updated version of the draft proposal that I am creating. So everyone doesn't have to remember what was initial said, this is the document with the updated revisions. Does it meet with approval?

UN Resolution
Creating Youth Court System
Human Right
Significant

Recognizes: Youth crime is evident in most nations and it is one of the main problem to the police forces who cannot deal with it properly.

Argument: Even though most countries have a problem with youth crime, sending them to prisons filled with harden criminals will not solve the problem. Torturing or executing youth-criminals is barbaric and will not solve the problem because youth enter into crime because of a variety of social and economic aspects in their lives. Adults do as well, but with youths, they can be led astray more easily than the average criminal adult. With the introduction of these facilities to help youth criminals, not only does one help out the poorer people of their societies giving them chances after rehabilitation it will be a step toward modernizing ones own nation when it comes to youth. A youth who goes into a facility and is rehabilitated is better off than one who is dead.

Acknowledges: The fact that youth crime should be recognized as a problem and a solution found.

Solution:

(A) Creation of a new criminal court system for youths. All youths being under the classified age of an adult in UN member countries (therefore a minor).

(B) This resolution requests the creation of prisons or correctional facilities for these youths so they can be rehabilitated back into society.

(C) If a UN nation does not want to pay for new facilities, a donation fund will be created called "Youth Crime Prevention Fund" which will create prisons or facilities for the rehabilitation of youth criminals.

(D) The banning of Torture and Execution for anyone under the age of an adult for petty or violent crimes.

(E) This resolution states that the National governments of the United Nations have the right to choose what sentences should be passed down to their legal minors but recommends the use of correctional facilities for minors proposed in this resolution so the minors can be reintergrated into society after learning new skills at the national government's choosing. However, Torture or Execution of a 'minor' cannot take place.

(F) Violent crimes such as murder, robbery, hostage taking, terrorism, rape, torture, arson, violent assault or violent confrontation with the government.
Assatru
09-11-2005, 05:05
Is there any suggestions that anyone can come up with to improve this piece of legislation. I believe it is extremely important to the UN and to all UN members so if anyone wants to add a suggestion or comment please do.
The Cyberian Plains
09-11-2005, 05:10
one suggestion is to remove the 'under 18' part, and replace it with 'under the legal adult age of individual countries'. this is because NS nations are not uniform when it comes to sapient development
Pallatium
09-11-2005, 11:20
Recognizes: Youth crime is evident in most nations and it is one of the main problem to the police forces who cannot deal with it properly.


(smirk) Not in my nation (says so in the stats)

But I will let that go and carry on.


Argument: Even though most countries have a problem with youth crime, sending them to prisons filled with harden criminals will not solve the problem.


Agreed.


Torturing or executing youth-criminals is barbaric


and illegal


and will not solve the problem because youth enter into crime because of a variety of social and economic aspects in their lives.


Or bordem.


Adults do as well, but with youths, they can be led astray more easily than the average criminal adult. With the introduction of these facilities to help youth criminals, not only does one help out the poorer people of their societies giving them chances after rehabilitation it will be a step toward modernizing ones own nation when it comes to youth. A youth who goes into a facility and is rehabilitated is better off than one who is dead.


Ok. That all more or less makes sense.

Acknowledges: The fact that youth crime should be recognized as a problem and a solution found.


But why not all crime? From the perspective of the victim, whether a two year old or a 200 year old steals your TV doesn't matter.

But - youth crime proposal, so ok.


Solution:

(A) Creation of a new criminal court system for youths. All youths being under the age of 18.


Nope. The age of majority varies WILDY from nation to nation, and so not everyone who is under 18 is a youth. If you change to "all youths being under the age of majority" (or "the age of adulthood") it would be more acceptable.

Further more who is going to pay for this system? And what if the nation already has a system just for dealing with non-adults?


(B) This resolution requests the creation of prisons or correctional facilities for these youths so they can be rehabilitated back into society.



(C) If a UN nation does not want to pay for new facilities, a donation fund will be created called "Youth Crime Prevention Fund" which will create prisons or facilities for the rehabilitation of youth criminals.


So - and not to sound cynical here - if I don't want to pay, I can make everyone else do it?

What if no one wants to pay?


(D) The banning of Torture and Execution for anyone under the age of 18 for petty or violent crimes. (Could be revised)


Torture is already banned, again you should not put "18" but instead the age of adulthood, and the whole death penalty thing is maybe not something to get in to as a lot of people (including me) think it should be down to the nation. Even for kids.


(E) This resolution states that the National governments of the United Nations have the right to choose what sentences should be passed down to their legal minors but recommends the use of correctional facilities for minors proposed in this resolution so the minors can be reintergrated into society after learning new skills at the national government's choosing. However, Torture or Execution of a 'minor' cannot take place.


See - now you are talking about "legal minors" not "anyone under 18" which is a different thing.


(F) Violent crimes such as murder, robbery, hostage taking, terrorism, rape, torture, arson, violent assault or violent confrontation with the government, .


This doesn't read right - it sounds like it's the start of a longer sentence ("violent crimes include, but are not limited to..." might sound better?)

Murder - ok.
Robbery - need not be violent.
Hostake taking - I guess, except it's not something I have seen kids get involved in (cause although you keep refering to youth, we are talking about kids)
Terrorism - not always violent. And again - kids?
Rape - ok.
Torture - ok.
Arson - not always violent.
Violent assult - tautology (see below)
Violent Confrontation with the government - again, tautology (although that might be my fault). Plus it depends how violent the confrontation is and again - kids??

How about "Crimes covered by this resolution include, but are not limited to...."?



Honestly - even with the changes - I am still not a big fan. (E) is repetative as all it says it "don't torture them", so you could just leave it out (don't mention sentencing at all). The crimes listed in (F) are too many and sometimes don't seem to have any place in here, too many references to 18 as an age limit (the age of adulthood in Pallatium is 13, to give you some idea), (C) just gives every nation a licence to print free money and (A) doesn't take account of nations that might already be dealing with youth crime in a different way to adult crime.
Hirota
09-11-2005, 13:07
I hope you don't mind if I retype this draft into something a little more....UN-ified?

MINDFUL of the presence of youth crime in most nations

MINDFUL of the failure of legal systems to adequately address this issue.

DETERMINED that minors are not exposed to the criminal underworld in prisons, and given adequate opportunities for reform.

DETERMINED of the need to provide educational and rehabilitation facilities to minors

EAGER that youth crime be recognised as an issue and addressed

URGES member states to ensure the creation of a new criminal court system for minors.

URGES member states to provide correctional facilities for minors so they can be rehabilitated back into society and provide the means and resources for minors to be educated as necessary.

ENDORSES member states rights to determine what sentences should be passed down to their legal minors but recommends the use of correctional facilities as a primary option for youths as proposed in this resolution so minors can have the greatest chance of reintegration into society.

MINDFUL Violent crimes such as murder, robbery, hostage taking, terrorism, rape, torture, arson, violent assault or violent confrontation with the government, or repeated offences may still entail a jail term as decided by the judicial system of member states.

All I've really done is take out a bit of wordliness, divided the sections down a bit, and cleaned up some of the more irrelevant parts.

Use it, or don't it's up to you. :)
Assatru
09-11-2005, 15:43
UN Resolution
Creating Youth Court System
Human Right
Significant

This resolution is mindful of the presence of youth crime in most nations.

MINDFUL of the failure of legal systems to adequately address this issue.

DETERMINED that minors are not exposed to the criminal underworld in prisons, and given adequate opportunities for reform. Through the use of any educational and rehabilitation facilities set aside for minors alone through the governments themselves or through the "Youth Crime Prevention Fund".

Acknowledges that youth crime should be recognised as an issue of concern for Nation governments and should be addressed.

URGES member states to ensure the creation of a new criminal court system for minors.

URGES member states to provide correctional facilities for minors so they can be rehabilitated back into society and provide the means and resources for minors to be educated as necessary.

ENDORSES member states rights to determine what sentences should be passed down to their legal minors but recommends the use of correctional facilities as a primary option for youths as proposed in this resolution so minors can have the greatest chance of reintegration into society.

MINDFUL that violent crimes such as but not confined to the ones listed here, murder, robbery, hostage taking, terrorism, rape, torture, arson, violent assault or violent confrontation with the government, or repeated offenders may still entail a jail term as decided by the judicial system of member states.

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Co-authored by the UN delegate of United Socialist States of Assatru and the UN delegate from Hirota
St Edmund
09-11-2005, 16:22
I'd suggest that "in many nations" sounds better than "in most nations", but admit that that's only a minor detail...
Pallatium
09-11-2005, 16:41
Also, unless I have misread it, it should be downgraded to "mild" because it doesn't actually require any action.

But again - I might have misread it.
Hirota
09-11-2005, 16:44
Co-authored by the UN delegate of United Socialist States of Assatru and the UN delegate from Hirota

Hopefully you won't put this in the submitted proposal? Otherwise it'll get rejected by the mods.

And I agree with St Edmund - many sounds better than most.
Assatru
09-11-2005, 19:51
Won't put that in the proposal.

Now, I still think it is significant.

It acknowledges the fact that youth crime should be acknowledged by nation governments as an issue and should be dealt with.

The creation of the "Youth Crime Prevention Fund", which would help governments that cannot or will not create youth facilities.

But, it also states that national governments can have their sentences but recommends that the youth facilities are the major option going.

I still think it should be significant.
Waterana
09-11-2005, 21:46
One thing I've just thought of. Some nations, like mine, don't have any prisons and don't lock criminals up. We use rehabilitation programs instead.

Maybe you could add a point asking nations like mine to ensure our rehabilitation programs acknowledge the difference between youth and adult criminals and that we use rehabilitation programs spacifically designed for youth offenders when dealing with minors.

As this propsal stands, I wouldn't vote either way for it because it doesn't apply to my nation, however if you include something about nations without prisons it would apply, and I'd have to ;):).
Compadria
09-11-2005, 21:56
UN Resolution
Creating Youth Court System
Human Right
Significant

This resolution is mindful of the presence of youth crime in most nations.

MINDFUL of the failure of legal systems to adequately address this issue.

DETERMINED that minors are not exposed to the criminal underworld in prisons, and given adequate opportunities for reform. Through the use of any educational and rehabilitation facilities set aside for minors alone through the governments themselves or through the "Youth Crime Prevention Fund".

Acknowledges that youth crime should be recognised as an issue of concern for Nation governments and should be addressed.

URGES member states to ensure the creation of a new criminal court system for minors.

URGES member states to provide correctional facilities for minors so they can be rehabilitated back into society and provide the means and resources for minors to be educated as necessary.

ENDORSES member states rights to determine what sentences should be passed down to their legal minors but recommends the use of correctional facilities as a primary option for youths as proposed in this resolution so minors can have the greatest chance of reintegration into society.

MINDFUL that violent crimes such as but not confined to the ones listed here, murder, robbery, hostage taking, terrorism, rape, torture, arson, violent assault or violent confrontation with the government, or repeated offenders may still entail a jail term as decided by the judicial system of member states.

----

Co-authored by the UN delegate of United Socialist States of Assatru and the UN delegate from Hirota

If we consider the hysteria surrounding youth crime, much of the logic used by those advocating tougher punishments has more to do with the headlines of tabloids, not rational debate. For most reasonable people, the idea of re-habilitating and not merely punishing those who commit crimes is logical, because ultimately a majority will end up being released back into society once their gaol terms are completed.

The idea of a "Youth Crime Prevention Fund", is a very worthy one and we believe it reflects an expression of the best instincts of society, those of compassion for the criminal given the nature of his crime and the reasons for it. There is no such thing as a motiveless crime or a crime without precedent. For many young people, the prejudices against them from older people can be depressing, as so many of these prejudices are based on ignorance. Most kids, if given the chance, would work hard and work to be productive citizens. If they aren't, it's because society is not offering them a reason to give back to it what they are receiving, either through unemployment, disillusionment, crime (young people are among the largest number of victims of crime) and access to means of entertainment and fulfillment.

We believe that this resolution works to counter-act these prejudices and offers a humane solution on youth crime and its practisioners, so that they are not abandoned at the very flower of their youth, but picked up and offered a hand of friendship and experience. This shall lead them to a more hopeful path and that, hope, is something we must keep alive and fight for.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.
The Cyberian Plains
09-11-2005, 22:23
The creation of the "Youth Crime Prevention Fund", which would help governments that cannot or will not create youth facilities.
the only problem here is that some nations might take offence to the UN comming in and building these facilities if they dont want to create them. this could end up being a sticking point
Gruenberg
09-11-2005, 22:26
By the way, I won't be funding this. I assume poorer nations won't mind digging into their pockets to cover my laziness?
The Cyberian Plains
09-11-2005, 22:29
By the way, I won't be funding this. I assume poorer nations won't mind digging into their pockets to cover my laziness?
and here's another one: i already have the infrastructure in place, does that mean i dont have to pay in because it is already there? and on this comment, why should i have to pay for others that are too lazy to pay for it themselves... maybe that entire clause should be stripped
Assatru
09-11-2005, 23:07
To answer all the questions by the UN members;

1.One thing I've just thought of. Some nations, like mine, don't have any prisons and don't lock criminals up. We use rehabilitation programs instead.

Maybe you could add a point asking nations like mine to ensure our rehabilitation programs acknowledge the difference between youth and adult criminals and that we use rehabilitation programs spacifically designed for youth offenders when dealing with minors.

The UN resolution points to the fact that it urges the creation of facilites. The whole resolution is recommends, urges and acknowledgements. If your nations use rehabilitation programs instead of prisons, you are already one step ahead. The facilities that is proposed would have educational and social benefit for the youth criminals to associate them back into society. If you could deviate you rehabilitate your program to that having to deal with minors alone is good.

2. and here's another one: i already have the infrastructure in place, does that mean i dont have to pay in because it is already there? and on this comment, why should i have to pay for others that are too lazy to pay for it themselves... maybe that entire clause should be stripped

The "Youth Crime Prevention Fund" is a basic design for moderate nations and larger nations to help out the youth of the more 'less-fortunate' countries and their youth criminals, who do not have the money to create these facilities or it would cause total disaster to an already shaky economic system. However, I am sure that there would be countries that are just too lazy to pay. And, yes, if you already have the infrastructure in place, you do not need to contribute to the fund.
Assatru
09-11-2005, 23:31
Attention:

Would like to note to anyone interested in this proposal. It is now a submitted proposal to the United Nations. Please if you approve it, put your approval for the second

Creating Youth Court System.

Thanks!