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WHEREAS we shall soon have the technology to clone humans

NOTING that the success rate for cloning is very high, and that human cloning would result in an unacceptable number of dead babies and deformed children

EMPHASIZING that this resolution only affects cloning with the intent to create a child, and that cloning for stem cells or regeneration of body parts is a matter to be decided by the member states

The UN hereby bans human reproductive cloning.

WHEREAS we shall soon have the technology to clone humans


A lot of nations have it.


NOTING that the success rate for cloning is very high, and that human cloning would result in an unacceptable number of dead babies and deformed children


Hmmm - pardon? If the sucess rate is high, then surely you would not have deformed humans or dead babies.

Unless you mean the sucess threshold - therefore putting the chances of sucess very low - then I get what you mean, but you would have to redraft that part for it to make sense.

Secondly - what is your basis for this claim? A lot of nations do it pretty well.


EMPHASIZING that this resolution only affects cloning with the intent to create a child, and that cloning for stem cells or regeneration of body parts is a matter to be decided by the member states


Again - why?


The UN hereby bans human reproductive cloning.

What about other cloning? Animals?
And what about cloning for other than reproductive purposes? (Creating duplicates for.... I don't know - so dictators can have body doubles to take the fall or something? Yeah - this part is less not as though through. Sorry)

I think your biggest problem is nations that use cloning for various purposes, including growing armies and so forth. We don't do that, but I am pretty sure that there are nations who do.

I don't really care either way on the issue of cloning but…

WHEREAS we shall soon have the technology to clone humans
It should be remembered that the technology levels in member states is not uniform.

NOTING that the success rate for cloning is very high, and that human cloning would result in an unacceptable number of dead babies and deformed children
This doesn't make sense to me. If the success rate is high how does it result in death and deformity?

And you don't mention what stage in the proposal writing process you're up to. is this a draft or has it been submitted?

Rose,
UN representative,
The Black New World

I messed up on the success rate thing....also creations of body doubles and such would be reproductive as it would produce a human baby.

And I forgot about the inequal technology, so perhaps I sould just scrap it because if it doesn't harm the baby then there is no reason to ban it.

I already submitted it, which I now see was a bad idea.

I messed up on the success rate thing....also creations of body doubles and such would be reproductive as it would produce a human baby.

And I forgot about the inequal technology, so perhaps I sould just scrap it because if it doesn't harm the baby then there is no reason to ban it.

I already submitted it, which I now see was a bad idea.

OOC: I wouldn't worry too much about it. If you post your next try in the forum we can give you a hand with the kinks. Stick around for a bit. Get a drink. Welcome to the NSUN.

Ditto :}

Ditto :}
What he said after she said :D

Have you checked whether this clashes with the BioRights Declaration? Because I'm pretty sure that means there already are clones, somewhere.

Vicki-Y hears the discussion about the ban on human cloning and hears Enn's question.

"I'm a clone." Vicki-Y waves.

"Everyone in SLI Sector is a clone...it is one our our advances, to help us live a longer life. When one body dies, our memories get transferred to another, similar body. It's a really complex procedure, I'm in IntSec, not Tech Services. But if you are interested, I can get you a document on cloning and allow you to read how to clone.

Vicki-Y hears the discussion about the ban on human cloning and hears Enn's question.

"I'm a clone." Vicki-Y waves.
Well, under BioRights, you are entitled to all human rights as recognised by the UN. While Zatchland's proposal would apparently make your nation illegal.

That is why we are against the resolution. It is plainfully obivous, of course. Why would we say we are illegal?

Zatchland should abandon efforts to ban human cloning; it will only hurt innocent nations like us. Cloning should only be decided on a national level.

(And as you can conclude, cloning is not banned in SLI Sector...for obivous reasons)

Zatchland should abandon efforts to ban human cloning; it will only hurt innocent nations like us. Cloning should only be decided on a national level.


Zatchland has.

Rose,
UN representative,
The Black New World

Thank you Zatchland, if the reports are true. I just want confirmation.

I messed up on the success rate thing....also creations of body doubles and such would be reproductive as it would produce a human baby.

And I forgot about the inequal technology, so perhaps I sould just scrap it because if it doesn't harm the baby then there is no reason to ban it.

I already submitted it, which I now see was a bad idea.

Confirmation. 4th post.

Rose,
UN representative,
The Black New World

WHEREAS we shall soon have the technology to clone humans

NOTING that the success rate for cloning is very high, and that human cloning would result in an unacceptable number of dead babies and deformed children

EMPHASIZING that this resolution only affects cloning with the intent to create a child, and that cloning for stem cells or regeneration of body parts is a matter to be decided by the member states

The UN hereby bans human reproductive cloning.

A ban on reproductive cloning is certainly something that would be in the interests of human dignity and decency. If one considers the awful results of genetic duplication outside of its natural limits (i.e. cellular division), whereby most organisms cloned have should either an increased tendency towards or actual manifestation of genetic defects, illness and cancers, one can easily understand the revulsion felt towards the practice. Equally, if one considers the utter uselessness of such technology and the attitudes it engenders of selfish individual obsession and the revival of the older obsession with immortality, the real social damage it could cause is evident too.

What I would call for however is a more complete, longer and studious resolution as this one lacks detail and precision, thus leading it open to accusations that it possesses too many loopholes or flaws to be viable.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

WHEREAS we shall soon have the technology to clone humans
NOTING that the success rate for cloning is very high, and that human cloning would result in an unacceptable number of dead babies and deformed children
EMPHASIZING that this resolution only affects cloning with the intent to create a child, and that cloning for stem cells or regeneration of body parts is a matter to be decided by the member states
The UN hereby bans human reproductive cloning.


We in Zeldon have proven the effective use of cloning for 14 generations of clones and thus find this is an insult to us as a people equal to any member citizen of the UN... Under resolution:
UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #56
BioRights Declaration
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: The free carolinas
Description: The United Nations and its member states shall hereby recognize and henceforth regard the inherent rights of cloned and genetically engineered persons as being the equal of those of naturally born and unmodified persons.
Votes For: 12,135
Votes Against: 4,726
Implemented: Thu May 6 2004

We also feel it may violate several other current resolutions in place and ask that the UN General Council investigate this matter.

Zarta Warden
UN Ambassador Zeldon

OOC: There was some time back an issue came up in which cloning was not banned just limited to certain levels.. Can't think now or title of issue but was on forum and don't think it ever got to be posted as got pretty beat up in forum..

Also this link is one had found on cloning you might want to check out.

http://author.senescence.info/thoughts/cloning.html

Also this one is on TWINS but check out the comments in it..

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/001357.html

This one is the old link to another one that was on cloning..

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=440406