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A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.

Category: Social Justice
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Vitalinia

Description: The United Nations,

-A- RECOGNIZING that prostitution for better or for worse has been the oldest occupation in the history of mankind.

-B- REGRETTING that millions of impoverished women in developing nations worldwide are forced to turn to prostitution in order to ensure basic survival for themselves and/or their families.

-C- REGRETTING that laws prohibiting prostitution deny protection to the aforementioned women under the law against those who wish to harm, rob, rape, and/or abuse them in any way, shape, or form.

-D- NOTING that rather than tax revenues of prostitution going into the coffers of governments, they are ending up in the coffers of criminals, pimps, and organized crime thus giving power and influence to crime in nations worldwide.

-E- RECOGNIZING that although prostitution is considered immoral in many cultures, governments do not have the right to mandate morality onto the public and that it is the responsibility of family and religious groups to teach morality to the individual.

-F- CONVINCED that the solution to protect these women in these developing nations as well as to bring in additional tax revenues to cash-starved nations is to call for a worldwide legalization of prostitution where it can be regulated by individual governments.

-1- URGES all nations to form laws to legalize and regulate the prostitution industry, thus ensuring the safety and quality for both producers and consumers.

-2- URGES all nations to subject the prostitution industry to the free market thus letting the price mechanism determine the appropriate supply and demand for prostitution.

-3- MANDATES that all nations under the UN take the necessary steps to allow prostitution to enter the free market as a legitimate industry.

This issue has been beaten to death, I'm afraid. It's been law, then repealed, etc. In fact, I think prostitution may already be legal...

As Cobdenia said, this idea has been legalised, repealed and then legalised again.

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For history's sake, see:

#46 Legalize prostitution - * REPEALED BY RESOLUTION #87 *

#87 Repeal "Legalize prostitution"

#91, The Sex Industry Worker Act - Presently in effect.

I know there's a lot to read through, and I have gotten zinged for proposing something that's been out there before.

If you want to make a new proposal, it needs to be significantly different or complementary, taking into account what already exists.

As Cobdenia said, this idea has been legalised, repealed and then legalised again.

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indeed it is, sadly. Hirota voted against the first resolution, and voted against the second.

indeed it is, sadly. Hirota voted against the first resolution, and voted against the second.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one :).

I wasn't around for the orginal resolution (at least I think I wasn't), voted against the repeal (am glad it still passed), endorsed the replacement as a new delegate (under Crydonia), then voted for the replacement.

As the author of Resolution #91, I was quite surprised to be denied by the writer of this resolution that prostitution was already legal. But good to see you lot also noticed :)

I must say though that this is a pretty well-written resolution for someone who appears to be just starting.

Hirota will explain why it feels against the legalisation of prostitution using this proposal as an example

-C- REGRETTING that laws prohibiting prostitution deny protection to the aforementioned women under the law against those who wish to harm, rob, rape, and/or abuse them in any way, shape, or form.[quote]This is irrelevant of their profession - a rape is a rape regardless of their profession, so why single out prostitutes for special protection? If nations are really so improverished that millions of people turn to prostitution rather than a semi decent welfare system, then how much money do they have to spend on a decent police system? [quote]-D- NOTING that rather than tax revenues of prostitution going into the coffers of governments, they are ending up in the coffers of criminals, pimps, and organized crime thus giving power and influence to crime in nations worldwide. Why should governments be obliged to tax something when the practice of profitting from sexual exploitation is something my government finds immoral? Why should any governments benefit from the misery of other people? Why should anyone? It's state sponsorship of sexual exploitation.-E- RECOGNIZING that although prostitution is considered immoral in many cultures, governments do not have the right to mandate morality onto the public and that it is the responsibility of family and religious groups to teach morality to the individual.Does the UN have any greater right to mandate morality then member states?-F- CONVINCED that the solution to protect these women in these developing nations as well as to bring in additional tax revenues to cash-starved nationsSo now the pimps are members of the government. Charming.[quote]... is to call for a worldwide legalization of prostitution where it can be regulated by individual governments.[quote]Except most governments in such a cash-starved state will probably too corrupt to look after the well being of the people in question.

The way to resolve this issue is not to legalise and profit from prostitution, it is rather the need to target and prosecute the demand for sexual exploitation, provide decent welfare systems and promote education programmes and schemes to remove victims of sexual exploitation from the depths of exploitation. Moreover it is important to remove the stigma of prostitution, and redirect this stigma to those who demand prostitution.

Sadly, it appears I'm the only intelligent nation to realise this, but fortunately I'm bright enough to recognise the current resolution is so poorly written that if I:

A) remove all income taxation
B) Making the purchasing of sexual services illegal (although not the selling)

I'm doing almost everything what I am looking to acomplish. Meanwhile, Hirota is proud to be one of the few nations enlightened enough to condemn sexual exploitation, and disappointed to be part of an organisation so incapable of having a similar level of enlightenment on this issue.

So to summarise - I agree with the policy of removing criminal responsibility for the victims of prostitution, I disagree with the policy of endorsing and taxing sexual exploitation, I disagree with the policy of making it an established industry (since Hirota has no clients there is no industry), and I disagree with the failure of the UN to encourage schemes to assist the victims of sexual exploitation to escape and lead fruitful, happy lives.

Look, the poor guy made a mistake. Maybe we should stop beating over the head with it, and let this thread die. He can always keep it in mind for future reference: there seems to be an undercurrent of support for another repeal, after all...

The way to resolve this issue is not to legalise and profit from prostitution, it is rather the need to target and prosecute the demand for sexual exploitation, provide decent welfare systems and promote education programmes and schemes to remove victims of sexual exploitation from the depths of exploitation. Moreover it is important to remove the stigma of prostitution, and redirect this stigma to those who demand prostitution.

That's what the SIWA does/recommends. Not outlawing, but solving the problems that cause women to choose prostitution. Legalizing the industry partly removes the stigma associated with it. Even then, don't think it'll disappear. It's not called the oldest profession because it's easily eradicated. Having sex for fun is part of being human, and shows our relation to the bonobo chimps.

So to summarise - I agree with the policy of removing criminal responsibility for the victims of prostitution, I disagree with the policy of endorsing and taxing sexual exploitation, I disagree with the policy of making it an established industry (since Hirota has no clients there is no industry), and I disagree with the failure of the UN to encourage schemes to assist the victims of sexual exploitation to escape and lead fruitful, happy lives.

You're misinterpreting the resolution, ignoring previous resolutions' intentions, and saying things that cannot be trye. You can't say "there are no clients". There most certainly are. Even if you'd outlaw making purchasing of sexual services illegal (you can't, just as you can't in other industries), people would still visit prostitutes. Covering your eyes is not a solution. I'd have expected a better response from you. And if anything, resolution #91 makes sure that those working in the prostitution business can lead that fruitful, happy life. Your attempts at ignoring this resolution don't, and that's bad for a state that calls itself "enlightened".

Having sex for fun is part of being human, and shows our relation to the bonobo chimps.It's not fun, it's money.Let me say it again, sex for money. If it was done for fun then I'd be all for it, and quite frankly I respect bonobo chimps more than some UN reps, because at least the other bonobo chimps are not counting their profits at the end of the day.You're misinterpreting the resolution...No, I'm discovering loopholes. And if I am misinterpreting, perhaps it should not be so vulnerable to misinterpretation...and saying things that cannot be trye. You can't say "there are no clients". There most certainly are.Well, there are not any since we put police officers on every door of every "legitimate" brothel. We know about the illegitimate ones.Even if you'd outlaw making purchasing of sexual services illegal (you can't, just as you can't in other industries),You tell me where it says that then and I'll end the practice. But if I can't stop people buying in industries, what about the arms industry? The drugs industry? Both are industries, but both are regulated by nations all over NS. I see absolutely no difference. Moreover, does it say anything about purchasing being legal? people would still visit prostitutes. Covering your eyes is not a solution.We know there are unlicenced brothels - we don't ignore them. Steps are taken to stamp out the demand for sexual exploitation regardless of where people go for that. We don't prosecute those who work in unlicenced brothels, just the ones who own them.I'd have expected a better response from you. And if anything, resolution #91 makes sure that those working in the prostitution business can lead that fruitful, happy life.You think the majority of victims of sexual exploitation want to remain in the industry? Granted I suppose some will, but I'm sure a majority will want to do something, anything more worthwhile if it will put food on the table and pay the bills, which is why we educate, support and ensure they have no need to resort to prostitution.Your attempts at ignoring this resolution don't, and that's bad for a state that calls itself "enlightened". I don't ignore, I recognise the loopholes and inherent flaws in the resolution, and my government exploits them to our gain, the same as several nations do for other resolutions.

It's not fun, it's money.

The customer is doing it for fun. And they pay, of course, but it's hardly something they won't enjoy. And where there's demand, there's an offering.

Well, there are not any since we put police officers on every door of every "legitimate" brothel. We know about the illegitimate ones.

OOC: Whatever loophole you think you've discover, saying that there are no clients is nonsense, and I'm not going to discuss with someone who is making it up as they go along without any basis in reality. Prostitution exists, no matter how you regulate or forbid it. It exists, so clients exist. If you're going to deny it, you're only making yourself unbelievable.

Prostitution exists, no matter how you regulate or forbid it. It exists, so clients exist. If you're going to deny it, you're only making yourself unbelievable.


OOC: I see your point, you've got this bit backwards actually. Prostitution exists, because the clients (i.e., the source of the demand for it) exist.

And it's not right.
We of the Empire of Quaon say that prostitution is illegitamate way to make money, and we will opose this resulotion

Moltan Bausch pinched his nose between his fingers, and took a deep breath.

"It. Is. Already. Legal."

[OOC: Please, please let this thread die. The author has already recanted.]

The horse is dead. Stop hitting it.