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IDEA: "Donating" Forces to UN

SLI Sector
13-10-2005, 18:06
This is a suggestion to help the UN, though I do not want it to be voted down or hated. Chances are, it will fail, but here we go.

I know it is against the doctrines of Internation Federalism to have a United Nations military (OOC: It's against the rules). Though, it might be useful to just have a general 'force' just to help the UN, from time to time. For example, terrorism treatens many a nation, and we don't want terrorists to seize nations in coups. Plus, there are certain nations that may 'fail' to enforce important resolutions...(Slavery and the illegal Black Market for Guns, for instance), and we may have to help these nations enforce them. It seems that their police force is aduquate in some cases, and we will need to agument them. If criminals fail to support the resolutions, then the UN will lose power and infulence.

Therefore, instead of having a military, nations inside of the UN may vollentueray (OOC: I know I spelt it wrong) donate parts of their forces (armed or civilians) to help Nationstates in the UN enforce certain laws. These forces are under the contorl of the nation that 'donated' them, but these nations promise to use their forces to help the Nationstates out in any need. A first responder force, really. This will act as a little 'police force', though, hopefully, it will not be used often. There is no compesnation if a nation promises to use their forces to support the UN, though it is the right thing to do. A nation can opt out of this program if they so choose, at any time.

If we have enough forces that are donated to the UN, then it would be best to have these forces co-operate with each other for effiecny, though they co-operate as per nation dialouge, not by UN intervention. It should be made clear that this is not a UN military, but rather, an organization of national forces that plan to help the UN. The UN does not run these forces in question (the nation does), but the nations who donate forces should promise to uphold UN resolutions. This is entirely vollentueray, and nobody has to send forces if they want to. But, it is good to send forces out to help the UN, as a due to helping out the wonderful UN.

OOC: Yes, I expect this propsal to be trashed. But, this is part of my RP persona. OOC, I won't be suprisied if it fail, IC, I will.
Gruenberg
13-10-2005, 18:09
I'm not going to trash it, and I understand what you're saying. But the problem with all this is that it's a volunteering of forces to help fellow UN members. That is currently legal, and can be done without a resolution. I'm not sure what use the UN would be in all of this: after all, a resolution that gave too much help would be possibly seen as illegal. So, I'm not going to rubbish the idea, but I'm equally not sure how much mileage there is in it.
Yeldan UN Mission
13-10-2005, 18:13
Army, Police, SWAT, etc

The UN doesn't get an army. Nor does it get to form The World Police. This is pretty clear: don't do it.
In my opinion, it's not going to happen. No matter how you word it, voluntary or not, RPed or not, the mods are almost certain to rule that it is in violation of this.
SLI Sector
13-10-2005, 18:20
I'm not going to trash it, and I understand what you're saying. But the problem with all this is that it's a volunteering of forces to help fellow UN members. That is currently legal, and can be done without a resolution.

Correct. This is why it is an Idea, and not a resolution. There is no need for a resolution, as volunteering forces is not against any resolutions in the UN. I think that we can get people to work together to volunteer forces to help the UN. I posted it in this fourm to see if I can get anyone to volunteer.

As for me, I volunteer 1 platoon of Infantry to help out any UN nationstates. I hope others follow in my footstep.
Gruenberg
13-10-2005, 18:25
Correct. This is why it is an Idea, and not a resolution. There is no need for a resolution, as volunteering forces is not against any resolutions in the UN. I think that we can get people to work together to volunteer forces to help the UN. I posted it in this fourm to see if I can get anyone to volunteer.

As for me, I volunteer 1 platoon of Infantry to help out any UN nationstates. I hope others follow in my footstep.

Ah, I see. Ok, a pointer then: past mod statements have seemed to indicate that this sort of RP should be done elsewhere. I quite like the idea though, so if you start a thread in NS/II, I'll certainly post to it.
SLI Sector
13-10-2005, 18:30
OOC: Okay. Topic moved to International Incidents:

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