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The World Entertainment Act will pass, thanks to the work of the "Axis of Idiots" that have forced this to a vote. Despite the efforts of many to vote down the propsal, it will come into being.

Due to existing by-laws, members of the UN must obey all resolutions despite the fact that the resolutions are stupid, for example, the WEA. Now, the UN is a place of justice, and I will not resign, just because of this proposal. It will meet a repeal, and it will die a gruesome death.

But until then, our nation will suffer due to the copyright issues. My companies will die off, and piracy will run rampant instead of "decrease", (thanks to the leader of love and estrell, the EX-PIRATE who drafted this resolution)! And will I stand here waiting for the death of my nation, waiting for my people to be unemployed, waiting for the pirates to win? NO!

The UN is a great place, an international alliance. However, due to the efforts of the Axis of Idiots, we are forced to not accept this resolution. This resolution is an insult to the UN and there are nations out there that actually take this seriously. There are people out there that want to use the UN to make the world a better place, not a place to put up petty agendas and change the world to assist their ego. We already conclude this resolution will meet a repeal, so changing all media into one format just so that it get repaled, and so changing it back into the different formats is just going to waste our nation credits. It is very ineffiecent.

Plus, most nations in the world do not belong to the UN. If we export videos to them, they might not be able to use them. Therefore, they won't buy them. The UN's ecomony is surely going to suffer, and we will be isolated. Isolation is not what we want!

The way to bring this resolution to a close, and to show the Axis of Idiots that we are not going to accept what they push onto us, is not just to push for a repeal, but to openly disobey the WEA resolution until the repeal is in the books. If just 1,000 nations do not copperate with the resolution, then we have shown them tat we won't take their idiotic laws lightly. We will not let an outrage go unanswered.

Therefore, our congress, the SLI Sector's Assembly, has recently passed the Media Restoration Act inside our borders, by 91-5 (4 abstaining), which says the government cannot interfere with the media formats and will protec all media formats from "outside forces". We ask that other nations pass similar laws and flaunt this attack by the Axis of Idiots.

Today, we may not amount to much, with the hordes of idiots who contorls. But I can see a day when we take back the UN and make it into a great alliance...NOT a mockery and a shade of its once glorious self.

Before we get into anything:

1. I suggest you remove the phrase 'Axis of Idiots', merely to 'those who supported this resolution': it is offensive;
2. I suggest you remove the comment about L&E, as it has little bearing.

Non-compliance is a tricky issue. You cannot blanket declare non-compliance. May I point out:

you can probably ignore all 'Urges' clauses (1, 2, 4);
regional systems are declareds illegal. How you enforce that, however, is up to you. Government endorsement of regional coding would be illegal: turning a blind eye to companies who produced regional coding would possibly not be;
you may be able to declare yourself a developing nation and avoid the demands of OC5.


Simply throwing a tantrum when something passes that you don't like isn't going to accomplish anything. Look back at Resolution #1: was that the glorious old UN? I hope not. We support positive change, not pointless moaning.

We do not support the WMA, and have voted against. We do however accept that bare-faced non-compliance is not an option. We suggest you modify your statement and adopt a more reasonable approach.


OOC: I'm sorry, but you just can't do this.

OOC: Sorry. I admit I have done something stupid. Though I was ICly acting stupid. This is the first time my nation EVER got into a international league, having been isolated for...well, forever. Usually, whatever I say goes within my relam, so I was shocked when a propsal I hated got through. Hence, my stance. Sorry for this long statement, but I'm not really a newbie. I'm just acting like one.

And, for future reference, what is L&E?

IC: SLI Sector has backed away from its previous statements. The ambassdor to the UN who made these statements has apoligized for them. This ambassdor also conviently retired to a undisclosed location and a new amabssdor to the UN will be sent shortly. His statements, in advance, says that while the government does not support the WMA, the government will respect and obey the resolution in question. Inside his statment, there is no mention of the term "Axis of Idiots".

L&E: Love and esterel.

Heh, you shouldn't have backed down so quickly. Non-compliance can be really fun. But, you can't just 'not enforce it'. This resolution will become law in SLI Sector. However, as I pointed out, 3 clauses can be ignored immediately, another 1 can be ignored/doesn't do much anyway, and the other, though legally binding, could be, well, to contradict myself, not enforced.

See, the things it bans are banned. But the UN doesn't have a police force. It's up to SLI Sector to police it. You could simply make it a very low priority crime. You could even turn a blind eye to it.

Non-compliance can be the basis for interesting RP, and a useful tool for demonstrating weakness in resolutions. I didn't mean to scare you off it. But it can't be a blanket ignore of a resolution: well, it maybe can be, but there's no real point to that.

My suggestion? Have your new Ambassador issue a new statement in which he outlines SLI Sector's response, and how much of the resolution you actually intend to adopt.

I suggest that this statement is advocating crime on a scale unprecedent in history, and should be investigated for doing such a thing. Further more I suggest he be censured for his actions, and stripped of his status as UN Representative for his nation, and another one put in his stead.

Advocating criminal activity is not something a representative of a responsible nation should be doing.

See, the things it bans are banned. But the UN doesn't have a police force. It's up to SLI Sector to police it. You could simply make it a very low priority crime. You could even turn a blind eye to it.

Thats exactly what we will be doing in Waterana.

Private enterprise is illegal in our nation, always has been. Well on paper anyway. We just ignore that it exists and give no government help, support or acknowledgement. The private companies regulate themselves.

If we don't recognise the companies exist, and totally ignore them, then its a bit hard for us to suddenly step in and start making demands of them.

Thats exactly what we will be doing in Waterana.

Private enterprise is illegal in our nation, always has been. Well on paper anyway. We just ignore that it exists and give no government help, support or acknowledgement. The private companies regulate themselves.

If we don't recognise the companies exist, and totally ignore them, then its a bit hard for us to suddenly step in and start making demands of them.

If I may ask, purely out of curiosity's sake (since how you conduct your affairs in your nation is really no business of mine) how do you deal with issues of slavery, workers' rights and other such things that are covered by UN resolutions that have passed?

If I may ask, purely out of curiosity's sake (since how you conduct your affairs in your nation is really no business of mine) how do you deal with issues of slavery, workers' rights and other such things that are covered by UN resolutions that have passed?

We as a government have passed laws against slavery and have laws in place for workers rights. Just because private enterprise is illegal doesn't mean we don't have any workers at all. Our people work for the government or each other under a barter system (I'm not an expert on economics so please don't ask me to elaborate on that :)).

If a private company breaks the workers rights laws, then they will find themselves in court for that. The status of their companys legality doesn't matter, as all citizens of our nation are bound by and protected by the same laws. Very few reports of abuse of the workers rights laws are reported concerning private companies however. Our citizens know private enterprise is illegal and if they want to paticipate in it, either as a worker or customer, then they do so at their own risk.

We as a government have passed laws against slavery and have laws in place for workers rights. Just because private enterprise is illegal doesn't mean we don't have any workers at all. Our people work for the government or each other under a barter system (I'm not an expert on economics so please don't ask me to elaborate on that :)).

If a private company breaks the workers rights laws, then they will find themselves in court for that. The status of their companys legality doesn't matter, as all citizens of our nation are bound by and protected by the same laws. Very few reports of abuse of the workers rights laws are reported concerning private companies however. Our citizens know private enterprise is illegal and if they want to paticipate in it, either as a worker or customer, then they do so at their own risk.

So you are willing to pick and chose which laws of the UN you are going to enforce?


Private enterprise is illegal in our nation, always has been. Well on paper anyway. We just ignore that it exists and give no government help, support or acknowledgement. The private companies regulate themselves.

If we don't recognise the companies exist, and totally ignore them, then its a bit hard for us to suddenly step in and start making demands of them.


Again - it is just curiousity :}

Advocating criminal activity is not something a representative of a responsible nation should be doing.


The people of Cluichstan would love to jump all over this but, out of respect for this austere body, politely refrains.

The people of Cluichstan would love to jump all over this but, out of respect for this austere, politely refrains.

(smirk) I get to define what I consider criminal :}

Heh, you shouldn't have backed down so quickly. Non-compliance can be really fun. But, you can't just 'not enforce it'. This resolution will become law in SLI Sector. However, as I pointed out, 3 clauses can be ignored immediately, another 1 can be ignored/doesn't do much anyway, and the other, though legally binding, could be, well, to contradict myself, not enforced.

See, the things it bans are banned. But the UN doesn't have a police force. It's up to SLI Sector to police it. You could simply make it a very low priority crime. You could even turn a blind eye to it.

Non-compliance can be the basis for interesting RP, and a useful tool for demonstrating weakness in resolutions. I didn't mean to scare you off it. But it can't be a blanket ignore of a resolution: well, it maybe can be, but there's no real point to that.

My suggestion? Have your new Ambassador issue a new statement in which he outlines SLI Sector's response, and how much of the resolution you actually intend to adopt.

OOC: Thanks. Yeah I was scared off when you told me that and I didn't want to get in trouble. But, thanks for telling me what I can do. I admit, non-compliance can be an interesting RP activity.

IC:

The new amabssdor to the UN, Vicki-Y-AIG, has issued a statement:

"We shall comply with most of the UN resolution, since it is a law. We respect all UN resoultions and will comply with them.

However, we shall preapolgize beforehand of any failed attempts to enforce the resolution. We will sincerncly make an effort to comply with the resolution, but there may be cirmstances that may prevent us from carrying out the resolutions. For example, we have an ever-growing crime rate and we may be forced to decrease funding to support the resolution to deal with the crime rate. However, we will back this resolution.

Thank you."

SECERT (As in information that is not known to other players but is happening):

The government was obivously shocked that most UN members was actually against overt non-enforcement of a resolution. Secert meetings was held in order to deterimne what to do. A consesus was reached that the government will comply with clauses 1, 2, 4, and 5, since all one must do to comply is give out press releases supporting these clauses, and will 'comply' with Clause 3. The government was very angry at this, but it believes it is the best way to recover from a public relations disaster. Plus, the government firmly believes the resolution will be repealed soon, so complaince with it will be fine

The UN represenative that 'retired' was actually forced by the government (ooc: though, most of you already know that), in an attempt to recover their standings in the Un. The represnative was not hurt, however. He will be kept retired and was given a huge pension, though he has been told he may be 'recalled' into action, which may happen if there is a tide against L&E and they become very unpopluar, allowing for that represnative to come back and tell his fiery speehes. Vicki-Y does not know of this, and thinks her job will be for life.

Nevermind the fact that the WEA has nothing to do with copyright, only regional encoding.

Nevermind the existance of the UCPL which prevents the kind of nonsense you're pretending to be afraid of.

Nevermind the fact that the UN Gnomes don't care about how many laws you pass before the Resolution comes into effect; they'll change your silly protection law too.

Nevermind the fact that you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Aside from all of that (and everything else I'm too ill to remember right now), great idea!

Nevermind the fact that the WEA has nothing to do with copyright, only regional encoding.

Nevermind the existance of the UCPL which prevents the kind of nonsense you're pretending to be afraid of.

Nevermind the fact that the UN Gnomes don't care about how many laws you pass before the Resolution comes into effect; they'll change your silly protection law too.

Nevermind the fact that you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Aside from all of that (and everything else I'm too ill to remember right now), great idea!

OOC: I like roleplaying. I know game-wise it means nothing, but I erally do like debates.

So you are willing to pick and chose which laws of the UN you are going to enforce?



Again - it is just curiousity :}

No, no, no. All UN resolutions apply to us. In fact this is the first one I have ever considered trying to find a way to weasel out of :D.

Our nation does have an employer, a bloody big one, the government. Most of our population work for us. Any UN resolution that applies to workers and their rights is applied and law in our nation because we as government must apply and abide by them as an employer.

If a resolution passes that affects only private enterprise, then while it does affect our nation in the fact thats its put into law here, it doesn't affect us in the fact we have no recognised private enterprise to apply it to. In much the same way some resolutions would be law in other nations but not affect the population. A nation who's non-human population are immune to aids for example would have the aids resolution in law, but it wouldn't affect their population. I hope you can understand what I mean here.

(OOC) All this is hard for me to explain. I couldn't RP my way out of a wet paper bag and don't have a definite, all bases covered discription of exactly how my nation works like a lot of other members have ;):).

Nevermind the fact that the WEA has nothing to do with copyright, only regional encoding.

(It does have a clause that mentions copyrights indirectly, but I agree, this is about regional coding, which is all that I mentioned to SLI Sector. I don't believe I mentioned copyrights. Equally, I don't believe you mentioned me, but I thought I might as well stick my nose where it's not wanted.)

Nevermind the existance of the UCPL which prevents the kind of nonsense you're pretending to be afraid of.

I don't see how the UCPL has any bearing on this, given that you've just pointed out that copyrights have nothing to do with this. In his final post, SLI Sector doesn't mention copyrights. He seems to have dropped his objection to this resolution encouraging piracy, and is concentrating on the implementation of the laws regarding DRM. So I don't see the relevance of this objection.

Nevermind the fact that the UN Gnomes don't care about how many laws you pass before the Resolution comes into effect; they'll change your silly protection law too.

Well, they won't change his protection law, because he's already dropped the idea. And, as far as I know, for all that they'll 'change his laws', they don't oversee enforcement. After all, the UN doesn't get a police force.

Nevermind the fact that you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

He's entitled to. It's not the most important resolution that's ever been passed, I agree. But this is a political simulation game: in the framework of international politics, everything matters. He's not asking for hundreds of people to reply: he's just stating his opinion, and his policy. Granted, next time it might be better to do so on one's Wiki page/Factbook, and in the debate, but still, it doesn't seem like it should matter that he has a different perspective on the relevance of things. What I'm doing now: that's making a mountain out of a molehill.

Aside from all of that (and everything else I'm too ill to remember right now), great idea!

It's not your memory I'm questioning: it's your interpretation of the thread. If you feel his final post is still 'illegal', or that I or others have given him false advice, then I'd be interested to know how and why. I'm not necessarily expecting a response: it's just, your reply seems a bit jackbootish (a word? 'tis now). He was wrong initially to put emphasis on copyrights and suggest a protection law; his new statement, however, seems to have omitted many of the mistakes you've picked him up on.

(I hope you get better, by the way, and that it's nothing too serious.)

OOC: I have said in the debate thread many times of my idea to not enforce the law. It seemed nobody cared. I made a thread so I can see if I can get some rp invovled in the idiotic idea of not obeying UN resolutions.

Though I do not want to do anything 'illegal', if that was what you implied.

The World Entertainment Act will pass, thanks to the work of the "Axis of Idiots" that have forced this to a vote. Despite the efforts of many to vote down the propsal, it will come into being.Now, now. No need for drama. According to my intelligence, the West Pacific (as well as two other Feeder regions) has yet to vote on the proposal. And TWP is currently leaning AGAINST it.

With this act currently winning by a scant 700 votes, there may be hope yet for its defeat.

Now, now. No need for drama. According to my intelligence, the West Pacific (as well as two other Feeder regions) has yet to vote on the proposal. And TWP is currently leaning AGAINST it.

With this act currently winning by a scant 700 votes, there may be hope yet for its defeat.

Really? That's interesting. TWP swung a vote recently, IIRC.

With this act currently winning by a scant 700 votes, there may be hope yet for its defeat.

Indeed, with the vote a lot closer than it was on the last proposal at this point, we still have a chance of defeating it. We can't give up yet!

No, no, no. All UN resolutions apply to us. In fact this is the first one I have ever considered trying to find a way to weasel out of :D.


(smile) I do understand that. But at one point you hinted/suggested/out right stated that


If we don't recognise the companies exist, and totally ignore them, then its a bit hard for us to suddenly step in and start making demands of them.

(in regard to enforcing the WEA)

but almost at once you say


If a private company breaks the workers rights laws, then they will find themselves in court for that. The status of their companys legality doesn't matter, as all citizens of our nation are bound by and protected by the same laws. Very few reports of abuse of the workers rights laws are reported concerning private companies however. Our citizens know private enterprise is illegal and if they want to paticipate in it, either as a worker or customer, then they do so at their own risk.


which would imply that while you are happy to notice private companies in order to enforce laws you approve of, you are happy to not notice them when you dislike the law you are being asked to apply.


But, obviously, this has nothing to do with me as how you conduct your affairs is none of my affair (so to speak).



(OOC) All this is hard for me to explain. I couldn't RP my way out of a wet paper bag and don't have a definite, all bases covered discription of exactly how my nation works like a lot of other members have ;):).

(ooc) (smile) It gets easier as you do it more often :}

which would imply that while you are happy to notice private companies in order to enforce laws you approve of, you are happy to not notice them when you dislike the law you are being asked to apply.

Again ignoring the distinction between a law covering the people of a single nation and an international one covering all the world's people.


But, obviously, this has nothing to do with me as how you conduct your affairs is none of my affair (so to speak).

Then, in the next breath, acknowledging a distinction. Confusing...but then the people of Cluichstan are often confused with the rationale given for positions taken by the government of Pallatium.

The UCPL, being the tangled mess of contradictions and nonsense that it is, has no bearing on anything, let alone the resolution at vote.

Mathieu Vergniaud
Deputy Speaker to the UN

OOC: get well soon, Hack.

Pallatium, the post you are quoting is a jumbled mess and I didn't get out what I was trying to. The last post I did (before this one) explains things much better :).

With private companies in my nation, we don't recognise them, simple, but as citizens of our nations they are bound by our laws, as we as a government are bound by the UNs laws. We don't recognise them as companies, but of course we recognise the people involved as citizens and as citizens they are bound to obey Wateranan law like any other citizen.

With the current resolution, its mandate applies to private companies not individuals, so even if we make media here (and I'm not sure we do but if we have a blackmarket in automobile manufacuring anything is possible :p) then while it would be on the books as a UN mandated law, we wouldn't enforce it because we don't have the recognised companies to enforce it on.

Confusing I know but as long as my nations discription has that line "private enterprise is illegal" then I have to make up something :D.

OOC: I choose to ignore the 'lemonade on the sidewalk' description, just as I pay no attention to having a tax rate of 100% and a population of umpteen squillion. It's too hard to reconcile such stats with my conception of Ecopoeia as a nation!

Again ignoring the distinction between a law covering the people of a single nation and an international one covering all the world's people.


With all due respect my discussion was not with you.

However we have two resolutions - one to cover DVD region encoding, and one to cover worker rights. Both are enforced on nations, and the nations must deal with them.

Yet the person with whom I was conversing says that while they enforce worker rights (The 40 Hour Work Week) and prosecute private companies who breach it, they will happily ignore private companies so that they do not need to enforce this resolution.

I was just curious as to how they could reconcile that in their style of government.



Then, in the next breath, acknowledging a distinction. Confusing...but then the people of Cluichstan are often confused with the rationale given for positions taken by the government of Pallatium.

I am just saying I do have some degree of acceptence of national soveriengty, and how he/she conducts the enforcement of laws in his/her nation is not the business of another. Just as how I conduct the enforcement of my laws is not the business of anyone elses.

Pallatium, the post you are quoting is a jumbled mess and I didn't get out what I was trying to. The last post I did (before this one) explains things much better :).

With private companies in my nation, we don't recognise them, simple, but as citizens of our nations they are bound by our laws, as we as a government are bound by the UNs laws. We don't recognise them as companies, but of course we recognise the people involved as citizens and as citizens they are bound to obey Wateranan law like any other citizen.

With the current resolution, its mandate applies to private companies not individuals, so even if we make media here (and I'm not sure we do but if we have a blackmarket in automobile manufacuring anything is possible :p) then while it would be on the books as a UN mandated law, we wouldn't enforce it because we don't have the recognised companies to enforce it on.

Confusing I know but as long as my nations discription has that line "private enterprise is illegal" then I have to make up something :D.


Right! I understand you perfectly now. Sorry for being somewhat dim before now, but I get it now.

May I compliment you on your sneakyness? Or would you take that as an insult? (grin)

May I compliment you on your sneakyness? Or would you take that as an insult? (grin)

Nope, I'd take it as offered and thanks :D.