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To all U.N delegates, I am writing to appeal for your support of the Gender Freedom Law.

Description: We, the United Nations, recognize the basic human rights of all individuals. This resolution seeks to reduce Gender Identity/Expression Discrimination in order to give transgender people and others their chance to live dignified lives.

Believing that human right is rooted in the belief of human dignity; everyone deserves to be treated with dignity regardless of their gender identity and/or expression.


Defining Gender Identity as a person’s innate sense of self -sex; gender expression is the external presentation of a person’s gender.

Noting that Gender Identity/Expression Discrimination affect not only transgender individuals.

Recognizes that Gender Dysphoria, also known as Gender Identity Disorder, is a recognized psychological condition that can be diagnosed by Mental Health Professionals


Convinced than people who are diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria should have the right to seek for different types of treatment with the approval of a mental health professional.

Deeply disturbed that Gender Identity or Expression discrimination has taken and destroyed many lives.

Be it resolved that that the following articles be recognized by the United Nations.

Article 1: Everyone has the legal right to express their genders freely without unreasonable interference from the state.

Article 2:

1.) Gender Identity and/or Expression alone are not grounds for any form of discrimination in the work place unless such identity/expression are clearly proven to preclude satisfactory performance of required duties; Discrimination includes, but is not limited to, unequal treatment in hiring, training, promotion and termination, be the source from other employees or employer(s).

2) Declares that this Article does not apply to:

A.) Situations where Employers wish to establish sex specific dress codes or bathrooms at work.

B.) Religious Institutions. (Except in their For-Profit activities)

C.) Non-Profit organizations. (Except in U.N countries where For-Profit organizations do not exist or are an anomaly)

Article 3:

A.) The U.N is neutral on the subject of sex reassignment treatments; however, sex reassignment treatments must be legal options available to people diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria by mental health professionals.

B.) U.N countries reserve the right to determine the source of funding for sex reassignment treatments.

C.) Health insurance companies do not have to include coverage for sex reassignment treatments but must not discriminate people simply because of their gender identity and/or expression.

D.)Gender identity and/or Expression alone are not justifiable grounds for hospitals and health care providers to refuse appropriate medical treatments to patients whose lives are at immediate risk.

Article 4: Any person who had undergone a Sex Reassignment Surgery must be allowed to change his or her legal sex. The issue of whether to grant non post-operative transsexuals or others the right to change their legal sex will be for individual nation to decide.


Article 5:

Urges:

A.) Member nations to consider putting pre operative transsexuals inmates
in isolated cells if their personal safety are in danger.

B.) Member nations to accommodate gender diversity if they haven’t already.

Article 6: If any member nation has rights and protections that go beyond those enlisted in this resolution, the Gender Freedom Law will not remove them.

My proposal can be found on
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/58145/page=UN_proposal/start=55

or simply type in Gender Freedom Law inside the box at the bottom of the page
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/58145/page=UN_proposal

Thank you for supporting/approving human rights and dignity.
Sincerely,
Dee Marx, Prime Minister of Agnostic Deeishpeople.

Once again, the Socialist Republic will support the proposal.

Tşärls Lorĕns
Third Alphin of the Socialist Republic of Xanthal

I fully support this proposal, but have only one minor comment....


Article 1: Everyone has the legal right to express their genders freely without unreasonable interference from the state.


This will seem like a tiny thing to complain about - but shouldn't it be "Everyone has the legal right to express their gender freely without..." - implying that a person may change genders, but only have one gender at a time (so to speak).

If you did mean to state that someone can have more than one gender then that's fine, I just wanted to be sure :}

Article 1: Everyone has the legal right to express their genders freely without unreasonable interference from the state.
Just a quip about subject-verb agreement: "Everyone" is singular. "Their" is plural. Either Everyone should be changed to "people" or some other plural noun, or "their" should be replaced with "his or her" or something else that's singular.

Beyond that, I fully oppose the proposal. Partly because of what I feel is undue interference in allowing member nations ro govern themselves--violations of national sovereignty, and partly because of the snippiness the proposer has shown of late toward many of his or her fellow forum dwellers.

Beyond that, I fully oppose the proposal. Partly because of what I feel is undue interference in allowing member nations ro govern themselves--violations of national sovereignty, and partly because of the snippiness the proposer has shown of late toward many of his or her fellow forum dwellers.

Stealthmunchkania condemns this attitude most strongly, even though we would not support this measure (we consider gender identity a choice, and governments do have the right to restrict choices, even though we have no such restrictions ourselves, and in fact gladly welcome transsexual refugees from less tolerant nations). Proposals should stand or fall on their merits, not on the attitude displayed by delegates.

:rolleyes:

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

would this proposal also cover cross dressing?

would this proposal also cover cross dressing?

Gut feeling? No. But I am not a doctor or a psychologist, or even someone who can spell :}

On another topic - what about this : http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7030222&postcount=70 - The Sexes Rights Law ?

got our support

freedoms out!

I agree but not as hard

Beyond that, I fully oppose the proposal. Partly because of what I feel is undue interference in allowing member nations ro govern themselves--violations of national sovereignty, and partly because of the snippiness the proposer has shown of late toward many of his or her fellow forum dwellers.I'll drink to that!

[raises tumbler full of Scotch; downs a gulp of it, sloshing some on his chin as he staggers off aimlessly, and, noticing a statue of Catherine Gratwick standing regently in the corner, he glares at it accusingly:]

What're you lookin' at?!

[the Hackian ambassador asks whether he thinks he's had enough:]

Can it, Hack! I'll tell you when I've had enough!

[wanders off, mumbling to himself:]

... stupid Most Glorious Hack, thinks he's so big ....

[disapperars into a hallway; a sudden crash and a woman's scream can be heard ...]

George Brown
Deputy UN Ambassador

I'll drink to that!

[raises tumbler full of Scotch; downs a gulp of it, sloshing some on his chin as he staggers off aimlessly, and, noticing a statue of Catherine Gratwick standing regently in the corner, he glares at it accusingly:]

What're you lookin' at?!

[the Hackian ambassador asks whether he thinks he's had enough:]

Can it, Hack! I'll tell you when I've had enough!

[wanders off, mumbling to himself:]

... stupid Most Glorious Hack, thinks he's so big ....

[disapperars into a hallway; a sudden crash and a woman's scream can be heard ...]

George Brown
Deputy UN Ambassador
:eek:

On another topic - what about this : http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7030222&postcount=70 - The Sexes Rights Law ?


what about it?

what about it?
I believe what Pallatium is trying to tell you is that your proposal's topic is covered already.
Of course, you won't listen to anyone who tells you that so why am even bothering to type this.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Well first of all, its not because sex is not equal to gender. But I will hear what he/she have to say.

Well first of all, its not because sex is not equal to gender. But I will hear what he/she have to say.

Firstly - she :}

Secondly - Article 5 of the quoted resolution says :-


5. The Nation States United Nations recognises that gender is not just a physical manifestation but also a mental manifestation, and recognises that people of self proclaimed gender are also equally protected by the regulations and recommendations bound here in.


I just thought it might cover what you were trying to do :}

I just thought it might cover what you were trying to do :}You are entirely correct; if only we were dealing with a rational person here, and not a total fanatic. :rolleyes:

You are entirely correct; if only we were dealing with a rational person here, and not a total fanatic. :rolleyes:

(smile) I totally support what the total fanatic is trying to do and if it wasn't for the duplication would have NO issue with their proposal.

Firstly - she :}

Secondly - Article 5 of the quoted resolution says :-



I just thought it might cover what you were trying to do :}


If you read my proposal, you will notice that my proposal addresses many issues that are not covered under Sexes Rights Law.

The whole proposal dedicated about one line to "gender identity", it is highly vague and I am not sure what it actually is trying to accomplish. More over, equal wages is not of much use when you are not hired in the first place. The "regulation and recommadations" under Sexes Rights Law are highly lacking. Also, does this mean that everyone who has a gender identity that is contray to their sex will be legally recognized by their true gender? Its hard to tell. But in anycase, the resolution did not provide any sufficient protections, so it is quite pointless and irrelevant to what my proposal is trying to accomplish, which is to make sure transgender have access to health care, sex change (if they wish), and equal opportunity and protection in prison.

The people of Cluichstan believe that the representative of the Republic of Agnostic Deeishpeople (Motto: "Gender is Bullshit") needs to keep his/her/its own gender issues to himself/herself/itself and stop grinding this particular ax within the hallowed halls of this austere body. The UN has more important issues to address than a single person's issues with his/her/its gender.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstan's Ambassador to the UN
Regional Delegate from Scybala

Respectfully? Funny, Doesnt sound very respectful at all. But its not just my issue, it affects other people as well. My proposal also receive alot of supports , I am very happy about that.

Respectfully,
Dee Marx

If you read my proposal, you will notice that my proposal addresses many issues that are not covered under Sexes Rights Law.

The whole proposal dedicated about one line to "gender identity", it is highly vague and I am not sure what it actually is trying to accomplish. More over, equal wages is not of much use when you are not hired in the first place. The "regulation and recommadations" under Sexes Rights Law are highly lacking. Also, does this mean that everyone who has a gender identity that is contray to their sex will be legally recognized by their true gender? Its hard to tell. But in anycase, the resolution did not provide any sufficient protections, so it is quite pointless and irrelevant to what my proposal is trying to accomplish, which is to make sure transgender have access to health care, sex change (if they wish), and equal opportunity and protection in prison.

Fair enough, although I would argue that cominbed with The Sexes Rights Law, Article 4 of The Universal Bill of Rights, would protect anyone who falls in to your categories, and by extention would be covered by every resolution written.

However, I am not a lawyer, and especially not an NSUN lawyer, so I may well be wrong :}

The people of Cluichstan believe that the representative of the Republic of Agnostic Deeishpeople (Motto: "Gender is Bullshit") needs to keep his/her/its own gender issues to himself/herself/itself and stop grinding this particular ax within the hallowed halls of this austere body. The UN has more important issues to address than a single person's issues with his/her/its gender.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstan's Ambassador to the UN
Regional Delegate from Scybala

With all due respect, I would suggest that while the rights of one person might not be something the UN should concern itself with, this proposal does not cover one person. It covers a class that have been repeatedly and utterly discriminated against in a lot of nations for a lot of history.

Well, the U.S constitution also implies that everyone should be treated equally under the law, but that is not really how the state operates when it comes to dealing with gays or transgender people. The problem with any law is that it can be intepreted in so many different ways and they can be applied only in a very narrow sense. I believe that as long as gender expression/identity are not stated explicitly, it will be very easy for state makers and courts to dismiss the rights of transgender people.

For example "gay people can get married too, just not to their same sexes"

etc etc.

or

"transgneder people can get a job too, as long as they dont have a sex change and keep their "issues" to themselves"


Anyways, while i am sad that my proposal did not reach the required numbers, i am glad to see that i have collected over 90 signatures. There is obviously support for this proposal in the U.N so of course I will try again. But not right away, I have a test tomorrow.

Well, the U.S constitution also implies that everyone should be treated equally under the law, but that is not really how the state operates when it comes to dealing with gays or transgender people. The problem with any law is that it can be intepreted in so many different ways and they can be applied only in a very narrow sense. I believe that as long as gender expression/identity are not stated explicitly, it will be very easy for state makers and courts to dismiss the rights of transgender people.

For example "gay people can get married too, just not to their same sexes"

etc etc.

or

"transgneder people can get a job too, as long as they dont have a sex change and keep their "issues" to themselves"


Anyways, while i am sad that my proposal did not reach the required numbers, i am glad to see that i have collected over 90 signatures. There is obviously support for this proposal in the U.N so of course I will try again. But not right away, I have a test tomorrow.


I thought it had a few days to go yet. Eh. If I was a delegate, I would support it. But since I am not (though that might change after the events in TWP over the last vote) I can't :}

There is obviously support for this proposal in the U.N so of course I will try again.

Of course...

Heh. Last night, the proposal was on page 4, now its gone.

Its very upsetting, but what can you do? And I got over 90 signatures!
There are people who actually sent telegrams to people from my region and bascially "informing" them that I am selfish because i focus on a "one issue resolution." But what they dont know is , my regonal members support my proposal and they are even helping me to promote it because they are compassionate beings that care about trasngender folks.

There are so many haters out there, but that wont stop me. I believe in the fundamental freedom for people to be true to themselves, gender wise.

Of course...

90 delegate approvals - 3/4 of the way to the floor :} More than most of the current proposals have :}

Well, the UN seemingly doesn't. That makes us all terrible, terrible people, I know, and yet I don't think many of us will sleep ill on account of it. I really do think it's time to drop it.

90 delegate approvals - 3/4 of the way to the floor :} More than most of the current proposals have :}


Definately, it shows that the U.N does care, most people on THIS forum might not. haha. I think its already some kind of victory, because raising awareness about T issues is a good for RL too. People do respond positively with such issue because they do want to reduce discrimination and make the living condition better for gender minority.

Heh. Last night, the proposal was on page 4, now its gone.

Its very upsetting, but what can you do? And I got over 90 signatures!
There are people who actually sent telegrams to people from my region and bascially "informing" them that I am selfish because i focus on a "one issue resolution." But what they dont know is , my regonal members support my proposal and they are even helping me to promote it because they are compassionate beings that care about trasngender folks.

There are so many haters out there, but that wont stop me. I believe in the fundamental freedom for people to be true to themselves, gender wise.

I guess that there could have been a whole load of proposals that were to expire today, and that yours would be one of them. The ones on page four now all expire tomorrow.

What I am way more curious about is how you do a resolution that covers more than one issue? A resolution to combat terrorism and permit ownership of puppies at the same time? (That would be kind of cool!!!)

You have got to admire the wonder of democracy at work - everyone has a free vote, unless you disagree with it, then you set about sabotaging it to it goes your way. Yay democracy!!!

Anyway - my time is limited (sadly I have to work!) but I will do whatever I am capable of to help when this comes round again, and if it does come to the floor I will do what I am capable of to get it passed.

Thanks, I am glad to have you on the team.

I think what I neeed help with is in sending telegrams to people. From the nationstates site, I would click on "the world" and than i would click on the "list all regions" link , all the U.N delegates can be found from page 1 to page 943 or something like that. I would start working from page 0. I sent alot of letters, and others people from my region were helping me out. So it would be nice to organize a team where people will be responsible for submitting letters from certain range of pages.

I wish i can restart the campaign immediately, but I have a test tomorrow and i also have an assignment that is due next week . :(

I will contact you when i submitted my proposal!
Thanks.
Dee

Thanks, I am glad to have you on the team.

I think what I neeed help with is in sending telegrams to people. From the nationstates site, I would click on "the world" and than i would click on the "list all regions" link , all the U.N delegates can be found from page 1 to page 943 or something like that. I would start working from page 0. I sent alot of letters, and others people from my region were helping me out. So it would be nice to organize a team where people will be responsible for submitting letters from certain range of pages.

I wish i can restart the campaign immediately, but I have a test tomorrow and i also have an assignment that is due next week . :(

I will contact you when i submitted my proposal!
Thanks.
Dee

I don't suppose there is any chance you took a list of delegates who had approved it before it got removed? Just so you know who to start with next time?

(And I will try with the telegramming, but seriously - my time is limited and I might not be able to do a lot!)

I really wish I did, but I didnt because I thought i still had one more day. grr.
Its okay, i am glad to receive any help.