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It has become clear to the people of Cluichstan that proposals are passing despite vehement opposition from a large number of delegates voicing their opinions in this forum. Clearly, the UN has been hijacked by regulation-happy delegates who are relying on the support of those who simply click "Approve" on any resolution put before the floor of the UN. These people must be stopped. The people of Cluichstan urge all thoughtful nations to expend the time and energy to fight the recent spate of ludicrous, over-reaching proposals through their own votes and through telegram campaigns to prevent the continuation of the downward spiral that is the current course of the UN. Only by combining our efforts can we save this austere body from becoming nothing but a forum for those who would regulate everything an individual would do -- from what one call sell on the open market to what one has for breakfast.

Respectfully,
Sheik Nadnerb bin Cluich
Cluichstan's Ambassador to the UN
Regional Delegate from Scybala

It has become clear to the people of Gruenberg that proposals are passing despite vehement opposition from a large number of delegates voicing their opinions in this forum. We believe this is on account of a process called 'democracy', where the final result is dependent not on who shouts loudest, but on the ultimate equality of everyone's vote before the law. Clearly, the UN has been hijacked by fairness-happy members who mistakenly assume that sometimes fellow delegates will approve proposals that others don't really like that much. These people must be stopped. The people of Gruenberg urge all thoughtful nations to expend the time and energy to fight the recent spate of ludicrous, over-reaching assumptions regarding the mental capacities of the average UN voters through casting their votes, not as they see fit, but on the sole basis of what a minority percentage of UN forum-goers say is actually right, and through wildly spamming everyone who stands in the way of us getting what we want. Only by combining our efforts can we save this austere body from becoming nothing but a forum for people who wish to propose, vote on and implement legislation for the purposes of promoting sensible political discussion and thought, and ensure that it moves forward to a bigoted, elitist camp of people who are sufficiently privileged to be allowed to express opinions.

Respectfully,
Moltan Bausch,
Gruenberg Amabassador to the NSUN

The attempt at satire by my esteemed colleague from Gruenberg falls flat on its face when confronted by simple reality.

What reality? That you're acting with unbelievable and frankly disgusting arrogance? Who the fuck are you to judge the motives of delegates in their approval or otherwise of proposals?

You are making wild accusations that I personally find very offensive. Furthermore, you haven't even offered a solution (other than spam): we got one of these threads every couple of weeks (usually after a resolution has passed that WAH! MUMMY! it's not fair I don't like it) and some of them at least have the grace to propose wildly illegal solutions. Yours is just a little display of petulence. No, not everyone comes to the forums. No, not everyone votes the same way as you. Yes, sometimes people probably don't give proposals the thoguht they deserve. Yes, people are sometimes wrong. None of that gives you the right to act in this childish manner. This sort of thread adds nothing to the game, and only (as you can see) provokes outrage and upset. I suggest you not repeat these antics.

What reality? That you're acting with unbelievable and frankly disgusting arrogance? Who the fuck are you to judge the motives of delegates in their approval or otherwise of proposals?

You are making wild accusations that I personally find very offensive. Furthermore, you haven't even offered a solution (other than spam): we got one of these threads every couple of weeks (usually after a resolution has passed that WAH! MUMMY! it's not fair I don't like it) and some of them at least have the grace to propose wildly illegal solutions. Yours is just a little display of petulence. No, not everyone comes to the forums. No, not everyone votes the same way as you. Yes, sometimes people probably don't give proposals the thoguht they deserve. Yes, people are sometimes wrong. None of that gives you the right to act in this childish manner. This sort of thread adds nothing to the game, and only (as you can see) provokes outrage and upset. I suggest you not repeat these antics.

Yes, all proposals deserve some "thoguht." You clearly put plenty into your reply. :rolleyes:

And yes, those who blindly click "approve" will be upset and outraged by my position, as you have so clearly demonstrated. If you're offended by what I've said, you might consider reflecting upon your own behavior and voting pattern.

And yes, those who blindly click "approve" will be upset and outraged by my position, as you have so clearly demonstrated. If you're offended by what I've said, you might consider reflecting upon your own behavior.

I wasn't suggesting that it would be delegates who blindly click 'approve' gettting upset and outraged: in fact I don't see any delegates who blindly click approve getting upset and outraged.

I've reflected on my behaviour. I consider the implications of proposals for my country and my religion, for my region and my allies, and for my OOC thoughts. I weigh that up, review the arguments of others as best I can, and reach a conclusion. I also refrain from leaping to assumptions about the methodology fellow UN members employ in their decision-making process. So, you know what? Overall, I've reached an inner peace. I hope you too can attain such self-content.

Also: some advice for the future. Look at the size of the UN forums, of these forums as a whole, and NS at large. Consider how many words are typed every day. Imagine some of these words are typed by someone typing in seventeen windows, at 3 am. Maybe you go reflect on the worth of pointing out ONE TRANSCRIPTION ERROR. Future such incidences will be reported as flamebait.

There are many reasons that one might not want to come to the forum.
1. thay feel their mental capacity to reaad and interpret resolutions is sufficient and they don't need others to hand their opinion to them.
2. They feel that the forum is not a very friendly place, oftentimes I feel the same, but rather a place for people to come and whine, put down others' opinions and personalities, and to repeat the same tired arguments again and again with no regard to the points others make about their comments. I feel fortunate that the tread regarding my own resolution was kept moslty civil and insightful, but I have also witnessed the vile shriekfest that insues when a resolution such as Promotion of Solar Panels comes up, where everyone is more intent on outdoing eachother's one-liners and insulting the resolution writer without making any valid points.
3. They feel that their own regional boards and offsight forums are sufficient for resolution discussion. This is how I felt until I noticed a string of resolutions that I didn't feel were well written and which prompted my to join the frey.
4. Probably the most important reason that people don't want to come to the forum is that people continuously insult their intelligence when they vote for resolutions they don't like. If I had just come to the forum for the forst time and saw this thread calling my a part of the "Axis of Idiots" I think it would be my last vist here.

You don't like the resolutions passed here? Write one yourself and get it before the UN, don't just bitch about people you haven't even spoken to because of assumptions you have about them.

Also: some advice for the future. Look at the size of the UN forums, of these forums as a whole, and NS at large. Consider how many words are typed every day. Imagine some of these words are typed by someone typing in seventeen windows, at 3 am. Maybe you go reflect on the worth of pointing out ONE TRANSCRIPTION ERROR. Future such incidences will be reported as flamebait.

Thank you for the tip, O Wise Member Since July. Your warning will be most certainly *mock shudder* heeded.

Thank you for the tip, O Wise Member Since July.

Many thanks. Please feel free to ask if you have any questions in the future.

Oh, but of course. My one question is this: "How can I quickly become a pompous ass like you have?"

Ok, Cluichstan, enough is enough. I considered this thread borderline trolling from the start, but I know it wouldn't be ruled as such by the mods. We disagree, and have done so heartily. We have probably offended each other. We have not, till now, resorted to flaming. Please delete your post: it was unnecessary. I suggest you use your posts in this thread to defend your position or respond to others' rebuttal, and not insult those you disagree with.

Knock it off, both of you.

The people of Cluichstan agree, to a point, with our friends from Gruenberg and suggest that the representative from Gruenberg take his own advice and not continue this pathetic trolling in a thread intended to make a serious point.

Duly noted Fris. I apologise, Cluichstan. I consider the matter closed.

As do the people of Cluichstan. We apologise if our comments here were taken the wrong way.

Flaming and trolling aside, I think both of you are correct. While we know that there are many within the UN that truly do not read past the title, and certainly don't consider the plausability (many would argue a majority), to necessarily begin a campaign by forum members to keep the heat on those UN members through TG campaigns and such is ridiculous. I think possibly the best repeal would be the one we had for Solar Panels, because it addressed many of the comments we had made on the forums and presented them as arguments for a repeal. Certainly, success can't necessarily be measured on that one due to a variety of factors (the two biggest coming from Starcra II and Telidia), but this is what I believe should be our best manner of approach. The repeal IS the place where we can put a concrete counter-argument in. While certainly, we have seen more repeals of recent resolutions as of late than we've seen of historical ones, we are addressing some of the fluff.

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That said, one of the main arguments put forth in the initial post I have a serious issue. The comment (I can't remember) about basically trying to be the legislators, this position is not valid. As a full International Federalist, I think it is absolutely ludicrous to outright decry that position and to tie it with the issue of thoughtless voting. People are, normally, thinking when they choose this choice over a NatSov position. I've seen some excellent debates both on these forums and on off-site forums between NatSov and Federalists. They are both valid viewpoints.