NationStates Jolt Archive


resolution at vote is in violation

Caer Dunnottar
08-10-2005, 17:42
The resolution currently at vote is in direct violation of at least three rules.
1) Strenght violation as no strength was listed on said resolution.
2) Duplication as the main points in said resolution were already covered in 3 other resolutions which have not been repealed.
3) Amendments as the afore mentioned violations were already covered by still active resolutions the nation in question was required to repeal in resolution in question before proposing the new resolution.

I hereby move that Resolution #126 Fossil Fuel Reduction Act be removed from the floor due to said violations.
Cluichstan
08-10-2005, 17:47
The people of Cluichstan second this motion.
Cobdenia
08-10-2005, 17:50
Apart from point 1) (you can't put strength on environmental proposals), I agree with you
Ecopoeia
08-10-2005, 17:51
The resolution currently at vote is in direct violation of at least three rules.
1) Strenght violation as no strength was listed on said resolution.
2) Duplication as the main points in said resolution were already covered in 3 other resolutions which have not been repealed.
3) Amendments as the afore mentioned violations were already covered by still active resolutions the nation in question was required to repeal in resolution in question before proposing the new resolution.

I hereby move that Resolution #126 Fossil Fuel Reduction Act be removed from the floor due to said violations.
OOC:

1) Environmental resolutions have no strength rating.
2) I disagree; the main thrust of the resolution is original and this is sufficient.
3) I don't think you have a handle on the UN rules with this comment.

Finally, it's impossible to remove a resolution once voting starts.
Caer Dunnottar
08-10-2005, 18:17
House of Cards

"RECALLING Resolution #3, #4, #34, #36, #67, and #457..."

This is becoming problematic. If those Resolutions are repealed, you've gutted the base of your own Resolution. Also, we start to run into issues for new proposals.

Currently, if you want to ban gay marriage, you have to repeal numerous Resolutions. Only a couple if you're talking about Resolutions that explicitly mention it; but a whole bunch if you have to Repeal every Resolution that references the few that deal explicitly with it.

A Proposal must be able to stand on its own even if all referenced Resolutions were struck from existance. If your Proposal "builds on" an existing Resolution, you're ammending that resolution. Excessive back referencing is not acceptable either. Create a new Proposal, don't just parrot existing ones. (see: Duplication)

Please read the line above. If your Proposal builds on an existing resolution you're amending that resolution.

If you would read the entire topic you will see as Ateelatay has clearly stated he would like a reduction in fossil fuels (covered in reduction of greenhouse gases) the use of alternative energy ( covered in Alternative Fuels & Sustainable Energy Sources). It is in direct violation of N.S.U.N. rules as it would build onto the already existing resolutions.
Ecopoeia
08-10-2005, 18:26
OOC: The resolution will not be removed. It's too late.
Gruenberg
08-10-2005, 18:30
1. You're massively wrong.
2. Were you massively right, still wouldn't matter. The reason we report illegal proposals is that once they reach quorum, only admins can remove them (I believe).
Frisbeeteria
08-10-2005, 19:16
If we disallowed anything that was thematically related to any prior resolution, all we could do would be repeals. While I'm amazed that anyone would have passed this one, it WAS legal.