NationStates Jolt Archive

It has come to the attention of Many Concerned Democratic Governments that many countries have been discriminating against certain groups of people by not allowing them as high of an income as the people they consider more superior, Legalizing and permitting People to hurt and abuse certain minorities in the street, Reserving Poor and runned down neighboorhoods to certain groups, not allowing them to vote/ have a say in politics and restricting other more specific freedoms. Many people have been found dead because their government have neglected them materials needed to survive such as Water, food and heat.

If Passed, Nations belong to the UN must follow the following rules:

1) No Country may allow any person regardless of Race, Religion, Sexual Orentation, Gender, beliefs, appearance, etc. to be physically abused legally.
2) Jobs and incomes may not be judged upon by the worker's Race, Religion, Sexual Orentation, Gender, beliefs, appearance, etc. but judged upon the worker's ability and quality.
3) No Neighboorhood shall be reserved for a certain groups of people. All Citizens may be allowed a fair chance to live where they want.
4) All Citizens 18 and older that are ordinary citizens and do not have a job as a govenment employee or higher official must be allowed an equal say in the government and politics.(If your government does not permitt anyone to vote in the first place, then this does not apply to you, however, it does apply in the sense that All citizens have an equal say in government, even if that is no say at all.)
5) All Citizens are allowed to by anything at anytime if they have the money for it. No One shall refuse to sell something to another ctizen because of their diffrences.
6) All Countries who want to continue to Discriminate against certain groups in their country and continnue to torment them can only do so by resigning from the UN, all UN ctizens are forced to Obey the Resoloution.

I think this already exists, doesn't it?
Might be wrong about that, mind you, so (excluding the formatting, that needs work):

1) No Country may allow any person regardless of Race, Religion, Sexual Orentation, Gender, beliefs, appearance, etc. to be physically abused legally
That would mean, in effect, the illegalisation of sports such as boxing, as one could say that men and woman are physically abused. Surely if someone is willing to be physically abused in this way, they should be allowed to?
2) Jobs and incomes may not be judged upon by the worker's Race, Religion, Sexual Orentation, Gender, beliefs, appearance, etc. but judged upon the worker's ability and quality.
I'm absolutely certain this is covered by past legislation

3) No Neighboorhood shall be reserved for a certain groups of people. All Citizens may be allowed a fair chance to live where they want.
What about council housing? They are neighbourhoods reserved for people with low or no income, which are leased to the impoverished for free or subsidised so that the poor can afford them. By this paragraph, they would have to be supplied to the rich as well


4) All Citizens 18 and older that are ordinary citizens and do not have a job as a govenment employee or higher official must be allowed an equal say in the government and politics.(If your government does not permitt anyone to vote in the first place, then this does not apply to you, however, it does apply in the sense that All citizens have an equal say in government, even if that is no say at all.)
The thing in brackets is illegal (optionality) and unneccessary. The other problem is the age. What about alien nations in which the all die at ten, or don't mature untill they're 254?

5) All Citizens are allowed to by anything at anytime if they have the money for it. No One shall refuse to sell something to another ctizen because of their diffrences.
So, a bar should be forced to serve alcohol to an alcoholic (which is a difference). Also, this means that you are effectively legalising guns, drugs, tactical thermonuclear weapons, etc for public purchase.

6) All Countries who want to continue to Discriminate against certain groups in their country and continnue to torment them can only do so by resigning from the UN, all UN ctizens are forced to Obey the Resoloution.
Unneccessary. All UN resolutions cannot be disobeyed by UN members anyway

It's a good idea, but as Cobdenia showed it really needs to be cleaned up.

I seriously doubt you're going to get any all-encompassing discrimination laws past a mod due to duplication rules.

once again, gender identity is left out. Not suprised.

The proposal is very badly worded, but in particular 'beliefs'. This proposal would mean that, say, the Satanists would have to let Roman Catholic nuns conduct their black masses, the Simon Wiesenthal Centre would have to take Nazis, and so on. You can choose your beliefs, but you can't choose your race or (rare exceptions duly noted) your gender...

once again, gender identity is left out. Not suprised.
Still grinding that axe I see. :rolleyes:

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

still whinning about it?

well, dont worry little grasshopper. I will let you whine because the issue is not over until it is passed.

1) No Country may allow any person regardless of Race, Religion, Sexual Orentation, Gender, beliefs, appearance, etc. to be physically abused legally.
2) Jobs and incomes may not be judged upon by the worker's Race, Religion, Sexual Orentation, Gender, beliefs, appearance, etc. but judged upon the worker's ability and quality.
3) No Neighboorhood shall be reserved for a certain groups of people. All Citizens may be allowed a fair chance to live where they want.
4) All Citizens 18 and older that are ordinary citizens and do not have a job as a govenment employee or higher official must be allowed an equal say in the government and politics.(If your government does not permitt anyone to vote in the first place, then this does not apply to you, however, it does apply in the sense that All citizens have an equal say in government, even if that is no say at all.)
5) All Citizens are allowed to by anything at anytime if they have the money for it. No One shall refuse to sell something to another ctizen because of their diffrences.
6) All Countries who want to continue to Discriminate against certain groups in their country and continnue to torment them can only do so by resigning from the UN, all UN ctizens are forced to Obey the Resoloution.
If you take out #2 and #5 (which I don't really understand) I might be able to vote for this.
I should note though that I don't really think it's needed.

Oh and it's "buy" not "by". ;)

Alright, Your right, It's not very well worded, that's why I didn't submit it first but the comments you made Cobdenia were taking the proposal way too literally. I mean that is a good thing though that you pointed out things like Boxing beind biased abusing, so I could fix it up, but that's not the point I was trying to get through, the point was that people can't beat other people up because of their diffrences, and boxing is not beating others up for their diffrences, but because it's their opponent.

#5 meant that all UN Countries can not discriminate but independent ones still could, which is pretty stupid me to put down, considering everyone knows that already

I do think this resoloution is nessicary, to make sure people aren't discriminated against in their country, It's our job to help them.

So I need some people to help me edit this thing. Please post some ideas/edits.

Many problems, methinks.

Specifically addressing #5, however:

5) All Citizens are allowed to by anything at anytime if they have the money for it. No One shall refuse to sell something to another ctizen because of their diffrences.

Your explanation is:

#5 meant that all UN Countries can not discriminate but independent ones still could, which is pretty stupid me to put down, considering everyone knows that already

That may be your intention, but the clause is actually much broader, and can be interpreted to limit or restrict the right of individual persons and business entities from refusing service to specific customers.

Though the good people of Discordinia generally frown upon discrimination of any ilk, we also recognize the right of freedom of association as an important one ... indeed, such a right has been recognized by the NSUN. Though discrimination on any basis is ugly, and governmental or state-sponsored discrimination is the most opprobrious of all, the good people of Discordinia certainly do not believe the NSUN should be allowed authority to dictate the behaviors of individuals.

Your intentions are good ... so keep trying.

All Hail Eris!

Cookie I, El Jefe

That may be your intention, but the clause is actually much broader, and can be interpreted to limit or restrict the right of individual persons and business entities from refusing service to specific customers.

Yes, very true. Under this clause children could buy cigarettes and alcohol. Bars and pubs couldn't refuse to sell booze to drunk customers. Recreational drugs would be automatically legal without regulation because all a person needs to have the right to buy them is the money. Just a few examples and how this line reads to me.

This clause does need to be reworked and some exceptions noted.

OoC: You have to remember, the UN is a system of common and statute laws similar in foundation to the US (apart from Louisiana) and the UK, as opposed to the Code Napolean system of France, other European nations and Louisiana.
Basically, that means the letter of the law is more important than the spirit of the law

Being a new comer, I see you'd like to enforce this site as realistic as possible.

Which is a reason for the following critiques:

2, Will be impossible to enforce and monitor. We've removed boundaries so that people have a fairly "equal" chance of achieving any goal in the world, lets not overcomplicate things with a Canadian-police-force-like system.

3, I think you meant to say that no neighbourhood will be Legally reserved for a certain group of people. If not, get ready for immense controversy.

5, I don't think that people can buy "top secret" information, nor can they purchase what isn't for sale.

6, Apart from errors will cause havoc in this world. Eg. "51% of your homeless residence are black, you're out." There must be a drawn line, which would be immensely hard to define.

1 and 4 are fine given the aspects of this establishment.

well, dont worry little grasshopper. I will let you whine because the issue is not over until it is passed.

Then it seems it will never be over. :rolleyes: