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Building An Urban Jungle

A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: All Businesses
Proposed by: Hudt

Description: NOTING that cities all over the world are finding that they are over polluted.

RECONGNIZING that pollution affects the quality of life of those living in the city as well as those outside of it.

BELIEVING that humankind does not have to surrender itself to environmental degradation.

UNDERSTANDING that in the long run, this resolution will actually reduce government costs due to the decreased amount of premature deaths and illnesses' caused by air pollution.

RECONGNIZING that this resolution will not force industries to do anything, and they will have large returns on their investments.

We, the Dominion of Hudt propose the following measures be adopted and enforced by the United Nations.

1.a. That all cities with populations over 500,000 be given a large amount of money (over $10,000,000) in federal subsidies if they have public transportation systems that are used by at least one third of their population use the system on a regular basis (at least
twice a week).

b. That all cities dedicate at least 50% of the federal subsidies to environmental help (i.e. tree planting, solar panels)

c. That all cities, towns etc. dedicate at least 0.5% percent of all their income towards encouraging biking, walking, roller-blading etc. as a means of transportation and a further 0.9%(at least) of their income towards building and maintaining the facilities to allow walking, biking etc. as a means of transportation.

2. a. That the government provide a 10% tax break to all industries that cut down their Co2 emissions by 25% until the industries have been reimbursed (in savings from taxes)for the cost of these changes.

b. That governments pay at least 10% of the cost to home owners, high-rise owners or commercial building owners if the people make at least 50% of their home or high-rise powered by renewable energy.

hotrodia, im sorry we have found a new tree hugger.
flowerchild i wouldnt spend any money on any of the above crap. if i had my way we would be "the city of longhorn country"

The Adnarian Democratic Republic will support this idea.We believe that the large industries play a important role in the world pollution.We believe that the world states must do something in attempt to reduce it.
George Forest,
Science and Envinorment Minister,
Democratic Republic of Adnaria.

1.a. That all cities with populations over 500,000 be given a large amount of money (over $10,000,000) in federal subsidies if they have public transportation systems that are used by at least one third of their population use the system on a regular basis (at least
twice a week).

You would have the SNUN require that national governments provide "federal subsidies" to their cities? What if the governments in question are not federalist? What if the governments do not have such money?

b. That all cities dedicate at least 50% of the federal subsidies to environmental help (i.e. tree planting, solar panels)

c. That all cities, towns etc. dedicate at least 0.5% percent of all their income towards encouraging biking, walking, roller-blading etc. as a means of transportation and a further 0.9%(at least) of their income towards building and maintaining the facilities to allow walking, biking etc. as a means of transportation.

You would then have the SNUN further require that individual cities spend money (apparently given by their national government) in a certain way? The good people of Discordinia do not believe the SNUN can (or should) be requiring or suggesting that municipal governments do anything whatsoever. Municipal governance is most definitely outside the SNUN's purview.

2. a. That the government provide a 10% tax break to all industries that cut down their Co2 emissions by 25% until the industries have been reimbursed (in savings from taxes)for the cost of these changes.

What if the national governments in question are not imposing pollution taxes? What if continuing to emit current Co2 levels is more profitable anyway? It is the opinion of the good people of Discordinia that most major corporations and industries, who must necessarily answer to stockholders, take a short-term view of such cost-benefit analysis.

Further, in nations where there are a great many individual entities responsible for Co2 emissions, a 10% tax break for said entities might be very damaging to the national economy. Additionally, your proposal -- if actually enacted and enforced, would essentially force tax-payers to pay for current polluters reformation. The good people of Discordinia do not favor such corporate welfare.

b. That governments pay at least 10% of the cost to home owners, high-rise owners or commercial building owners if the people make at least 50% of their home or high-rise powered by renewable energy.

The good people of Discordinia believe that, this too, is just an added economic benefit for the wealthy (who can afford renewable energy solutions at the current market price) at the expense of the lower classes. Though the good people of Discordinia appreciate and respect both chaos and disorder in all their varied forms, we do not want civil or class warfare erupting within our boundaries.

The good people of Discordinia oppose this measure whole-heartedly, and suggest you go back to the drawing board post-haste.

All Hail Eris!

Cookie I, El Jefe

This is simply an act over reacting. Sure it is obvuious that the human or any other race threatens the "enviroment," but it is not the coorporations!! Its people like you and me who drop that the paper on teh ground or smoke that cigarette. SO sure as i fully am amore socialist person and believe in many oft he writings of Marx I believe coorperate systems hsould be replace by a more fair and entrepenurial system. But to be targeted because of polution is wrong. Polution cannot go cold turkey! If you want to stop polution, dont try to make alaw against it, which would over fill our prisons but instead, Start in individual regions or preach your words. If people start listening pollution will lessen until almost non-existant where than you can make the law finalizing your work. It is nonsense to just punish for thing that are natural among the races. :fluffle: :mp5: :sniper:

Building An Urban Jungle

A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: All Businesses
Proposed by: Hudt

Description: NOTING that cities all over the world are finding that they are over polluted.

Which planet is "the world"?


RECONGNIZING that pollution affects the quality of life of those living in the city as well as those outside of it.

Well, there are Cities within the Constitutional Republic in location where there is no population "outside" (most notably at places like the settlements on the Lunar Dominion).


BELIEVING that humankind does not have to surrender itself to environmental degradation.

What about non-humans?


UNDERSTANDING that in the long run, this resolution will actually reduce government costs due to the decreased amount of premature deaths and illnesses' caused by air pollution.

Not for those places where they are forced to pay to destroy the enviroment (sic Lunar Dominion) for this proposals benefit.


RECONGNIZING that this resolution will not force industries to do anything, and they will have large returns on their investments.

If it is made at the "expense of industry" then how is it they are not "forced"?


We, the Dominion of Hudt propose the following measures be adopted and enforced by the United Nations.

1.a. That all cities with populations over 500,000 be given a large amount of money (over $10,000,000) in federal subsidies if they have public transportation systems that are used by at least one third of their population use the system on a regular basis (at least
twice a week).

While this would be somewhat applicable to some nationstates... Not all nation-states are Federations or Federal Republics; wherein they could be given "federal subsidies".


b. That all cities dedicate at least 50% of the federal subsidies to environmental help (i.e. tree planting, solar panels)

What about cities which are themselves built in what is effectively a "non-habitable" enviroment, which define their own biospheres?


c. That all cities, towns etc. dedicate at least 0.5% percent of all their income towards encouraging biking, walking, roller-blading etc. as a means of transportation and a further 0.9%(at least) of their income towards building and maintaining the facilities to allow walking, biking etc. as a means of transportation.

In some colonial outposts, and on the Lunar Dominion such is not even feasible. (Not including Lunar states on Terra's own moon).


2. a. That the government provide a 10% tax break to all industries that cut down their Co2 emissions by 25% until the industries have been reimbursed (in savings from taxes)for the cost of these changes.

One of our dominions is a teraforming project (Tekarna).... If they cut greenhouse emitions the planet would become uninhabitable...


b. That governments pay at least 10% of the cost to home owners, high-rise owners or commercial building owners if the people make at least 50% of their home or high-rise powered by renewable energy.

There is no such thing as "renewable energy".

While the proposal is laudible.... It needs some serious reworking before it can be made applicable to many forms of NS nation-states.

There is no such thing as "renewable energy".]




So are you saying that wind and water power will run out? Like coal and oil will?

So are you saying that wind and water power will run out? Like coal and oil will?

No... that's a "renewable energy source".... That is, an energy source which is reclaimable.... Thought technically, no source is in total "reclaimable".. (sic. Thermodynamics). Even "Wind and water" power sources "will run out", eventually. No matter what system is in use, net usable energy always decreases, and net entropy always increases. Consider revising to "renewable energy sources".

Edit: Nevermind. Tekania already got it.