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Can all regional delegates please approve this proposal:

All Industry in one region
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: All Businesses
Proposed by: Bestprograming

Description: The quality of the world's enviroment is detiorating as a result of every country having an industry. However the world needs an industry otherwise soceity will fall apart.
We must try save as much of the enviroment as possible. If we have all industry in one region, we will be able to save most of the worlds enviroment.
In light of the above the UN resolves to have all member nations (except nations in the Programming region) move their industries to Programming region and allow their own enviroments to flourish.

Approvals: 2 (WZ Forums, Bestprograming)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 127 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Fri Sep 23 2005

A brilliant scheme. I'm against it. The Federation will keep its industry in-house, thank you.

Minister of UN Affairs
Edward Jones

You can't make proposals specific to regions. This wouldn't save anyone's environment anyway, just cost more energy, and thereby pollute more, to transport all the industrial products from one spot, to the rest of the world.

I nominate this proposal for the "Silly Proposals" thread.

EDIT: Oops, I see it's there already.

It would create a monopoly, two.

In light of the above the UN resolves to have all member nations (except nations in the Programming region) move their industries to Programming region and allow their own enviroments to flourish.

Illegal. You cannot create an optionality clause in a proposal. If I moved to Programming won't have to follow this resolution. Therefore, its optional.

Believe me, that's far from the biggest problem with this resolution.

Yes, please, do this. Then I can eliminate the world's industry in one single nuclear strike.

Sorry, the Emperor prefers to have our nation's arms industry, in the Palentine, right where its at. Then we can keep an eye on it, protect it from industrial espionage, and have the first fruits of their labor handy(and ready to use if needed).
Excelsior,
Sen Horatio Sulla

Sorry, the Emperor prefers to have our nation's arms industry, in the Palentine, right where its at. Then we can keep an eye on it, protect it from industrial espionage, and have the first fruits of their labor handy(and ready to use if needed).
Excelsior,
Sen Horatio Sulla

You can move to the programming region and then (when this resolution's been passed) you'll also be manufatcturing other nations arms (I would make sure that you would be the regions sole arms producer).

You can move to the programming region and then (when this resolution's been passed) you'll also be manufatcturing other nations arms (I would make sure that you would be the regions sole arms producer).

Thanks, but no thanks. It would cost too much to move our testing labs(think of the cut into our ungodly profits), R&D Facilities(we need access to our mad scientists), and our test subjects( the Emperor allots a fixed number of convicts for weapon testing and research, kind of a 'Dirty Dozen' pardon system), and for the symple rason welike to make guns in the Palentine. :D

Excelsior,
Sen Horatio Sulla

Thanks, but no thanks. It would cost too much to move our testing labs(think of the cut into our ungodly profits), R&D Facilities(we need access to our mad scientists), and our test subjects( the Emperor allots a fixed number of convicts for weapon testing and research, kind of a 'Dirty Dozen' pardon system), and for the symple rason welike to make guns in the Palentine. :D

Excelsior,
Sen Horatio Sulla

So we can make Antarctic Oasis a colony of Programming region so you won't have to move and you will have also have a monopoly as you'll be the only nation manufacturing arms.

You can't make proposals specific to regions. This wouldn't save anyone's environment anyway, just cost more energy, and thereby pollute more, to transport all the industrial products from one spot, to the rest of the world.

I nominate this proposal for the "Silly Proposals" thread.

EDIT: Oops, I see it's there already.

At Bestprogramming we have developed solar powered ships,planes, trucks and cars. These will cause absolutely no pollution.

Compadria's heavy industry sector is limited to a Ruhr like strip to the north-west of our capital Tarkan. It employs around 3.5 million people and accounts for around 20% of our GDP, as well as half our annual growth. Therefore, we really don't want to have to transfer it all to another country just for environmental regions.

In addition, who would host all this industry and would it really solve pollution? I doubt it, merely concentrate it all in one area and reduce some economies back to the stone age.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

Long live industrial Compadria!

Compadria's heavy industry sector is limited to a Ruhr like strip to the north-west of our capital Tarkan. It employs around 3.5 million people and accounts for around 20% of our GDP, as well as half our annual growth. Therefore, we really don't want to have to transfer it all to another country just for environmental regions.

In addition, who would host all this industry and would it really solve pollution? I doubt it, merely concentrate it all in one area and reduce some economies back to the stone age.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

Long live industrial Compadria!

If it's concentrated in one area the rest of the world's enviroment will prosper. This is the only way we can save as much of the enviroment as possible without destroying the entire world's economy. If the world's enviroment gets destroyed what are you going to tell your children?

If it's concentrated in one area the rest of the world's enviroment will prosper. This is the only way we can save as much of the enviroment as possible without destroying the entire world's economy. If the world's enviroment gets destroyed what are you going to tell your children?

Firsty, This proposal does not help reduce emissions, save the rainforest, or do anything to actually help the environment. All you are doing is moving the pollution somewhere else, which doesn’t solve the problem.

Also, this resolution will not affect non-UN members, which means some businesses will not move to your region. Which means pollution will exist throughout the world, no matter what is passed here.

Lastly, this proposal will never make it to quorum, and if it does it will be deleted for many rule violations. You are fighting a lost cause, Bestprograming. I suggest submitting a realistic proposal that won’t break the Hack Laws.

Considering

- that my citizens live in my nation
- that they need jobs, considering that they would not
- it would not be acceptable to move or commute to YOUR region to find work,

- the #1 industry in most industrialized countries is the service industry,
- the service industry is an industry - hence the name including "industry"
- that the vast majority of the service industry needs to be close to its customers to, well, have any customers,
- that there are plenty of non-UN nations that are closer than your nation that could provide services to my people,

- that the housing industry needs to build houses on my land
- that the housing industry would not be operating according to this resolution if they built houses in my territory
- that the hosuing industry is an industry, hence the name including "industry"

- that resources are needed to allow industry to work
- that resource collection is done by what is known as "primary industry"
- that no nation has all of the required resources to satisfy all the needs of industry (that is, they need to trade to get even basic materials)
- that primary industry is an industry, hence the name including "industry"
- that there is no way in Zeuses butthole that your region has the land available to provide enough food to the trillions of people that live in the planet's 31,000 current UN members
- that agriculture - both farming and herding - is a primary industry

- that research is needed for improvements of technology
- that research is often wanted for purposes of military, infrastructure, materials, lifestyle, etc improvements
- that often this research is kept private by the nation or institution that developed it
- that research is known as being a part of quaternary (sp?) industry
- that quaternary industry is a form of industry, hence the name including the term "industry"
- that this will limit the ability for regions to develope outside your own region

- that education falls under a service industry
- that medical treatment falls under a service industry
- that boys selling lemonade and women selling sex are considered service industries
- that prostitution has been legalized in all UN nations and thus cannot be outlawed
- that this would contradict that passed resolution
- that education is mandatorily provided to all citizens for free up until the age of 18 by a passed resolution
- that this would contradict that resolution by removing the ability to provide education

- that water and power services are service industries
- that most people are reliant upon water and power
- that generation of power is an industry
- that I doubt your nation is big enough that even if we littered it with Nuclear and fossil fuel power plants, it would be able to meet the electricity requirements of the trillions of citizens in all 31,000 known UN nations

- that law enforcement is a service industry
- that government itself is a service industry
- that pretty much any method of making income legally is either through or being a part of an industry
- that there is no aspect of life that isn't a part of industry
- that environmental protection is an aspect of government

- that pollution spreads around the world, no matter how concentrated it is in one area
- that there are some industries that have, no matter how hard you try to implement technology to prevent it, some level of pollution to them
- that the moving and reconstruction of all industries in the Programming region would produce more pollution than just leaving them where they are
- that this pretty much contradicts the entire purpose of this resolution

BELIEVING that this proposal is illcontrived, shortsighted, foolish, self-centered, and will lead to a global economic collapse that will destroy even the newly buffered economy of the Programming region, starve the population of the earth, provide total anarchy to all people, and pretty much will collapse the UN

DECREES this proposal is unsupportable and just plain stupid.

Considering

- that my citizens live in my nation
- that they need jobs, considering that they would not
- it would not be acceptable to move or commute to YOUR region to find work,

- the #1 industry in most industrialized countries is the service industry,
- the service industry is an industry - hence the name including "industry"
- that the vast majority of the service industry needs to be close to its customers to, well, have any customers,
- that there are plenty of non-UN nations that are closer than your nation that could provide services to my people,

- that the housing industry needs to build houses on my land
- that the housing industry would not be operating according to this resolution if they built houses in my territory
- that the hosuing industry is an industry, hence the name including "industry"

- that resources are needed to allow industry to work
- that resource collection is done by what is known as "primary industry"
- that no nation has all of the required resources to satisfy all the needs of industry (that is, they need to trade to get even basic materials)
- that primary industry is an industry, hence the name including "industry"
- that there is no way in Zeuses butthole that your region has the land available to provide enough food to the trillions of people that live in the planet's 31,000 current UN members
- that agriculture - both farming and herding - is a primary industry

- that research is needed for improvements of technology
- that research is often wanted for purposes of military, infrastructure, materials, lifestyle, etc improvements
- that often this research is kept private by the nation or institution that developed it
- that research is known as being a part of quaternary (sp?) industry
- that quaternary industry is a form of industry, hence the name including the term "industry"
- that this will limit the ability for regions to develope outside your own region

- that education falls under a service industry
- that medical treatment falls under a service industry
- that boys selling lemonade and women selling sex are considered service industries
- that prostitution has been legalized in all UN nations and thus cannot be outlawed
- that this would contradict that passed resolution
- that education is mandatorily provided to all citizens for free up until the age of 18 by a passed resolution
- that this would contradict that resolution by removing the ability to provide education

- that water and power services are service industries
- that most people are reliant upon water and power
- that generation of power is an industry
- that I doubt your nation is big enough that even if we littered it with Nuclear and fossil fuel power plants, it would be able to meet the electricity requirements of the trillions of citizens in all 31,000 known UN nations

- that law enforcement is a service industry
- that government itself is a service industry
- that pretty much any method of making income legally is either through or being a part of an industry
- that there is no aspect of life that isn't a part of industry
- that environmental protection is an aspect of government

- that pollution spreads around the world, no matter how concentrated it is in one area
- that there are some industries that have, no matter how hard you try to implement technology to prevent it, some level of pollution to them
- that the moving and reconstruction of all industries in the Programming region would produce more pollution than just leaving them where they are
- that this pretty much contradicts the entire purpose of this resolution

BELIEVING that this proposal is illcontrived, shortsighted, foolish, self-centered, and will lead to a global economic collapse that will destroy even the newly buffered economy of the Programming region, starve the population of the earth, provide total anarchy to all people, and pretty much will collapse the UN

DECREES this proposal is unsupportable and just plain stupid.

You're right. I misworded my resolution, it's only meant to be about industries that destroy the enviroment, all other industries nations should be allowed to have.

You're right. I misworded my resolution, it's only meant to be about industries that destroy the enviroment, all other industries nations should be allowed to have.

lol

edit: lol

You're right. I misworded my resolution, it's only meant to be about industries that destroy the enviroment, all other industries nations should be allowed to have.

Round 2:

Considering:
- that all forms of construction harm the environment, whether it be dust kicked up in the air, or the materials, moving of earth, or the next point
- that all buildings built on land that didn't previously have buildings harms the environment for it removes whatever natural component was there (whether it be grass or forrests)
- that the population of most nations and certainly world wide is growing, not to mention that most nations would undoubtedly prefer to expand over trying to stagnate their land usage
- my previous comments about the building industry
- that this does not help the construction industry, an industry that would have to operate within regions to improve their infrastructure
- that this also includes non-buildings - such as roads, rail, tarmac, bridges, and various other items
- that all of this would mean that construction industry is still illegal under your new suggested limitation

- that agriculture harms the environment, through extensive pollution and equipment that has not yet found a way to get off fossil fuels
- that the increasing of agricultural lands requires extensive areas of the natural environment to be removed
- that agricultural equipment needs to be motorized to provide an adaquet supply of food
- that my previous points on the agricultural sector remain

- that all forms of mining and other collection of raw goods require the destruction of the environment
- that lumber is one of the most important commodities we collect that is directly and intentionally damaging to the environment
- that there is no way in heck that your region can hold enough forrests to supply all the lumber for all regions
- that my previous comments about primary industry still stand

- that all forms of power generation damage the environment - though to varying degrees
- that for most renewable resources, this damage is in the form of the excessive amount of land needed to provide this electricity
- that for most non-renewable resources, the issue of land use is much less, but other forms of pollution during operation are extensive
- noting that both forms would still fail to meet the requirements given
- noting my previous comments about electricity generation

- that water collection and use causes a massive amount of damage
- that most water plant facilities, no matter how hard they try, still have a significant impact upon the environment from the water leaving the city
- that this would fail the requirements listed
- noting my previous points about water supplies

- that government has a massive impact upon the environment
- that the so called "paper trail" is a very good hint at what its environmental impact
- noting that this hint also applies to law enforcement as well as just about every industry that has exists today
- noting that this also applies to homeowners
- noting as a casual programmer, this applies to even computer related jobs
- noting all my points brought up previously

Um.....my statements stand?

At Bestprogramming we have developed solar powered ships,planes, trucks and cars. These will cause absolutely no pollution.
We generally don't refer to these sorts of advancements as 'pollution-free'. We call them 'godmodding' or 'wank'. Typically.

It's irrelevant now, anyway. Proposal has been deleted.

I am one of the few people in the programming region and even i think this is a stupid idea.

Bestprogramming you are my U.N delegate what on earth are you doing.

Best programming the programming region is meant to take care of the enviroment but by destroying your home.

Bestprogramming you are my U.N delegate what on earth are you doing.

Zanem, I am trying to make our region the industrial capital of the world. If this resolution had passed, your economy would be booming.

Round 2:

Considering:
- that all forms of construction harm the environment, whether it be dust kicked up in the air, or the materials, moving of earth, or the next point
- that all buildings built on land that didn't previously have buildings harms the environment for it removes whatever natural component was there (whether it be grass or forrests)
- that the population of most nations and certainly world wide is growing, not to mention that most nations would undoubtedly prefer to expand over trying to stagnate their land usage
- my previous comments about the building industry
- that this does not help the construction industry, an industry that would have to operate within regions to improve their infrastructure
- that this also includes non-buildings - such as roads, rail, tarmac, bridges, and various other items
- that all of this would mean that construction industry is still illegal under your new suggested limitation

- that agriculture harms the environment, through extensive pollution and equipment that has not yet found a way to get off fossil fuels
- that the increasing of agricultural lands requires extensive areas of the natural environment to be removed
- that agricultural equipment needs to be motorized to provide an adaquet supply of food
- that my previous points on the agricultural sector remain

- that all forms of mining and other collection of raw goods require the destruction of the environment
- that lumber is one of the most important commodities we collect that is directly and intentionally damaging to the environment
- that there is no way in heck that your region can hold enough forrests to supply all the lumber for all regions
- that my previous comments about primary industry still stand

- that all forms of power generation damage the environment - though to varying degrees
- that for most renewable resources, this damage is in the form of the excessive amount of land needed to provide this electricity
- that for most non-renewable resources, the issue of land use is much less, but other forms of pollution during operation are extensive
- noting that both forms would still fail to meet the requirements given
- noting my previous comments about electricity generation

- that water collection and use causes a massive amount of damage
- that most water plant facilities, no matter how hard they try, still have a significant impact upon the environment from the water leaving the city
- that this would fail the requirements listed
- noting my previous points about water supplies

- that government has a massive impact upon the environment
- that the so called "paper trail" is a very good hint at what its environmental impact
- noting that this hint also applies to law enforcement as well as just about every industry that has exists today
- noting that this also applies to homeowners
- noting as a casual programmer, this applies to even computer related jobs
- noting all my points brought up previously

Um.....my statements stand?

Maybe all of this should be banned.

Maybe all of this should be banned.

*chuckles*

The very concept of what you're suggesting is ludicrous. However, considering that your post before showed the colors that I think every single person on this forum was certain of, I shall perhaps show you why this is a dumb idea - even from your perspective.

Economies function on the idea of circulating money. Even in banks, the money is always circulating, you leave your money in the bank and they loan it out to others who pay the bank money which they pass a percentage of to you in the form of interest. The economy works under the idea that a person produces a good that they sell to a customer, who gives them money which they send to their employees and suppliers, the suppliers give the money to their employees (of course, they're also expanding the company, but that costs money because they're paying even more people and so on and so forth) and the employees then take this money and start buying more stuff, thus continuing the cycle. As long as you have the supplies to continually fund this economy, then you will have a fully circulating economy. This is actually the reason why Keynsian (sp?) economic theory works, as it tries to put more money into the pockets of the people so that they buy more stuff, thus starting the cycle again. Trickle-down theory has not had as successful a time, but it certainly seemed to work in Bush's US.....though admittedly, I think that was partly due to the entire design of American culture these days - spend your money and more which might be the cause of the next great depression.

In 1919 up until the early years of the cold war, the US had the economic might greater than the sum of the rest of the world. Today, it doesn't beat the next two nations combined. However, this greater economy of the other nations has actually aided the US in many ways. While it certainly isn't a monopoly anymore, it has absolutely astonishing power within the world economically, and despite the largest ever trade deficit, it somehow maintains its economy. If the economy of the world collapsed and all industries were to move to the US, the US economy would also collapse. The entire idea since the age of Napolean when Britain remain afloat despite Napolean's blockade of Europe (because of Britain's overseas trade) is that the world is a much more potent area to sell than one's own nation. If there is no wealth in other nations, if there are no resources that you can get from other nations, and if they aren't buying your goods, then your economy is crippled worse than you were before.

As such, you will have a few days of glorious economy, but in the long run, your economy would collapse, and you just sent man back to the caveman days. I hope you're happy with this concept, because funnily enough, even the caveman society would be made illegal by this resolution!

Zanem, I am trying to make our region the industrial capital of the world. If this resolution had passed, your economy would be booming.
Of course, you should bear in mind that your proposal doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of even reaching quorum, let alone passing. To quote the Hack Laws (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465), MetaGaming

MetaGaming is a difficult to understand category at times, especially since it often shares jurisdiction with Game Mechanics violations. Essentially, a MetaGaming violation is one that breaks "the fourth wall", or attempts to force events outside of the UN itself. Proposals dealing with Regions, with other nations, Moderators, and requiring activities on the Forums are examples. This also includes Proposals that try to affect non-UN nations. any proposal dealing with a specific region contitutes a rule violation and will be deleted.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

*chuckles*

The very concept of what you're suggesting is ludicrous. However, considering that your post before showed the colors that I think every single person on this forum was certain of, I shall perhaps show you why this is a dumb idea - even from your perspective.

Economies function on the idea of circulating money. Even in banks, the money is always circulating, you leave your money in the bank and they loan it out to others who pay the bank money which they pass a percentage of to you in the form of interest. The economy works under the idea that a person produces a good that they sell to a customer, who gives them money which they send to their employees and suppliers, the suppliers give the money to their employees (of course, they're also expanding the company, but that costs money because they're paying even more people and so on and so forth) and the employees then take this money and start buying more stuff, thus continuing the cycle. As long as you have the supplies to continually fund this economy, then you will have a fully circulating economy. This is actually the reason why Keynsian (sp?) economic theory works, as it tries to put more money into the pockets of the people so that they buy more stuff, thus starting the cycle again. Trickle-down theory has not had as successful a time, but it certainly seemed to work in Bush's US.....though admittedly, I think that was partly due to the entire design of American culture these days - spend your money and more which might be the cause of the next great depression.

In 1919 up until the early years of the cold war, the US had the economic might greater than the sum of the rest of the world. Today, it doesn't beat the next two nations combined. However, this greater economy of the other nations has actually aided the US in many ways. While it certainly isn't a monopoly anymore, it has absolutely astonishing power within the world economically, and despite the largest ever trade deficit, it somehow maintains its economy. If the economy of the world collapsed and all industries were to move to the US, the US economy would also collapse. The entire idea since the age of Napolean when Britain remain afloat despite Napolean's blockade of Europe (because of Britain's overseas trade) is that the world is a much more potent area to sell than one's own nation. If there is no wealth in other nations, if there are no resources that you can get from other nations, and if they aren't buying your goods, then your economy is crippled worse than you were before.

As such, you will have a few days of glorious economy, but in the long run, your economy would collapse, and you just sent man back to the caveman days. I hope you're happy with this concept, because funnily enough, even the caveman society would be made illegal by this resolution!

All you can think about is money. Do we have the right to destroy the enviroment? Just for money?

if you move all the industries to one region than other regions would fall apart. the answer to sloving the weakening atmosphere is to set stricter industrial laws on each region and nation to be inforced by the un. :)

You do realise that human wellbeing is dependent on economic success, right? When we talk about economic collapse, this isn't some abstract concept which is only of real concern to politicians and fat cat businessmen. This is human deprivation - starvation, disease and death.

The best argument for protecting the environment is the fact that we rely on it to survive and live comfortably - we can't eat if the climate is wrong for our crops, and we can't obtain natural resources if we exhaust the ecosystems and reserves that supply them. But if your proposal for environmental protection results in the total collapse of human society and regression back to the stone age, then you've defeated the primary point of environmental protection.

Oh, and moving all polluting industry to one region wouldn't help the environment much anyway. The impact of the transport system that would be required to move the goods produced, plus the electrical distribution systems needed (imagine massive cables, tens, hundreds or thousands of metres thick, snaking across the landscape, taking power from the massive central complex of fossil fuel plants to all the other countries of the world, and immense railway or road systems plowing through the land) would entail huge environmental destruction. The sheer concentration of heat and pollutants being spewed out in this one place would turn the surrounding region into a toxic, uninhabitable wasteland and the massive change to the local conditions would have unpredictable effects on global climate. Atmospheric pollutants such as carbon dioxide would diffuse throughout the global atmosphere in the end anyway, so global warming would continue unabated.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the UN, I propose that instead of moving all industry to Bestprogramming's region, we instead invade that region and destroy all industry there. That would have a far more beneficial result for the environment than this resolution :D

All you can think about is money. Do we have the right to destroy the enviroment? Just for money?

Money is an extraordinary object. Something so simple becomes something that is so desirable.

Money is nothing more than a statement saying "I have this much share of the wealth that I haven't yet grabbed". The value of money is based upon the wealth of the area that controls the money (normally country, but could be region - such as the Euro), across the sum of all bills, coins, etc (their individual values). Money is nothing more than a representation of wealth, and wealth is all about material. If material isn't in circulation, it doesn't get consumed, and it doesn't get produced. The most basic and vital element that is extracted and consumed is food. But food isn't just about the person, it's about everything that intertwines it.

Before the industrial revolution, the vast majority of people lived on farms and produced their own food. This was a necessity as you could produce little more than you consumed. Back then, the global population was in the millions - and I note, that's not hundreds of millions. I think by the time of Napolean, the planetary population was around 200 million - after the British Industrial revolution had started. This was, more or less, how much the world could support from agriculture at the time. If we were to remove all of our current abilities to produce full agriculture, at best only 8% of this planet would survive. That's a heck of a lot of lives. The cost to the UN would be even more drastic - not to mention there are many imperialist nations outside the UN that's even more problematic.

Now, let's think of the interdependancy of agriculture today. They use tractors which were produced by the auto-companies (transported by a truck using diesel and built in a building that was constructed with a steel crane which is built out of materials from a steel plant which comes from various metals which was mined....., and built out of bricks and concrete which also have various other things they need) and run on fuel which is transported in by oil tankers from some operation in the middle east that was secured after a few coups that involved guns which are made out of metal use bullets that require gunpowerder and was authorized by a bunch of paper that was created by a paper mill and was previously a tree that was logged by a logging company using their own vehicles and on and on. Their manpower comes from several nearby farms who offer a helping hand to them or the nearby towns who all get to these farms by using their cars (originally it was horseback which were raised using grain which came from a different farm). The people live in houses which are made out of wood and bricks (normally) which of course had to be produced somewhere. The product, one havested is collected and stored. Grain is just dumped into carts while vegetables and fruits are put in crates (also wood or cardboard, sometimes plastic which is made from hydrocarbons) then transported to the markets using trucks, trains (which go along rail lines made out of wood and metal) or planes. Quick note, I haven't even discussed the electronics and programming that is required to run all these items that transport anything, but that's a completely different chain and spiel I could go onto. These goods are transported to markets where they are sent out to various people - they might be processed into other goods (such as bread, pies, microwave dinners, etc). Of course, you've also got education, health care, transportation to school, the teachers that are at school who also have an education from a big university. And on and on we go into the amazing interconnected world.

And that, is a mere fraction of a farm, and only for just normal farming, not herding which is another important aspect of agriculture.

You are a delegate for your region and a leader of a nation. It is your responsibility to see to the wellbeing of your people. While one may debate or question the necessity of a lot of luxuries and may argue that we can forego certain luxuries in favor of the environment, my point to you, sir, is that by trying to do what you are trying to do, you are not serving the interests of your region or your people. You are dooming them to the same fate you are dooming the rest of the UN to. Please try to think this one through.

BTW, for someone that admitted he is doing this to boost the economy of his region, it's kind of hypocriticle of you to tell me that I'm only thinking of money.

This is one of the sillier proposals the delegate from Iyira has read. On one hand, it's completely harmless and perhaps should be ignored, but on the other it's a bit alarming that the author is the delegate of a region and seems to be taking this suggestion at least somewhat seriously.

This is one of the sillier proposals the delegate from Iyira has read. On one hand, it's completely harmless and perhaps should be ignored, but on the other it's a bit alarming that the author is the delegate of a region and seems to be taking this suggestion at least somewhat seriously.
You were right the first time. Just ignore it.