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The Empire of Forgottenlands and its UN representation ask all members who are considering resignation from the UN over what looks like will be resolution 122 of the NSUN to reconsider their decision. Our plea is not based upon a wish to see the effects of this resolution put forth, but to improve the chances that it can be removed from the books.

We acknowledge that there will undoubtedly be a small setback in any economies of the nations who stay, but I note that only clauses 1 and 2 need to be followed immediately, and #2 can have the funds rediverted upon the repeal of this resolution. #1 only needs your nation to begin the production of solar panels. We have a full 10 years to meet the requirements of the resolution, and if you have even a small industry producing solar panels and a small portion of funds diverted to Environmental projects, you are in full complaince for the next 10 years. This will give us more than enough time to remove this resolution from the books. Already, several campaigns are underway and drafting has begun on repeals for this resolution. Even the resolution proposer has indicated he/she will work at repealing it if it is not repealed by Christmas. There is still hope to save the UN before the economic crisis hits!

And before the military crisis hits :)

I'll see how the proposed repeal works, then I'll decide if I resign.

If a repeal is not passed by the end of this year, then I'm quite sure that I'll no longer be in the UN.

I'll see how the proposed repeal works, then I'll decide if I resign.

If a repeal is not passed by the end of this year, then I'm quite sure that I'll no longer be in the UN.

If the repeal isn't passed within 15-20 days of the resolution being implemented, you'll no longer be anything but a territory of a non-UN nation :)

If the repeal isn't passed within 15-20 days of the resolution being implemented, you'll no longer be anything but a territory of a non-UN nation :)
Heh, we already are. :)

Originally Posted by Axis Nova
If the repeal isn't passed within 15-20 days of the resolution being implemented, you'll no longer be anything but a territory of a non-UN nation
You do realize, don't you, that we technically don't actually have to do anything until 10 years and 1 month (or two years and 17 weeks, if you use the "real life" timeframe)? But do try. It would quite humorous to see you explain how you were defeated by simple math.

Isn't there a discussion thread on this topic somewhere? ... Ah yes, here it is (forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=440951).

;)

I really don't like this bill and neither did our Regions delegate, but because of his resignation over this bill I have become the delegate of New Mexico so at least one good thing came out of it.

You do realize, don't you, that we technically don't actually have to do anything until 10 years and 1 month (or two years and 17 weeks, if you use the "real life" timeframe)? But do try. It would quite humorous to see you explain how you were defeated by simple math.

Try "ten days and fourteen hours." NS uses the model that one reallife day is equal to one NS year. You have ten days and fourteen hours to implement all provisions from the exact time of passing. After 15-20 days, your nation should be pretty much collapsed.

So I do not expect him to be beaten by math. He actually did it correctly.

NS uses the model that one reallife day is equal to one NS year.
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No, NS doesn't. Some NS players do, and some use 'one RL day = one RL month". Others use 'one day = one day'. I've still got an unfinshed RP that had one NS day = about a RL month. See fluid time (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Fluid_time) in NSwiki for a more comprehensive summary.

From a game mechanics perspective, all UN members will take a one-time hit during the update in which a proposal passes. Everything else is roleplay, and is unregulated by the game / the mods.

In any case, whether I actually do take over a significant percentage of UN nations or not is slightly irrelevant-- this entire conquest thing is my way of using RP to impact the outcome of a resolution which I consider blazingly stupid.

So far it appears to be working quite well. I've never seen a repeal start before the resolution was passed before :)

Personally, as I have already left the UN(I may come back at some point, I kinda hope a massive military crisis does happen. I am in the Arms Manufacturing Industry and I could make much money. :sniper:

Try "ten days and fourteen hours." NS uses the model that one reallife day is equal to one NS year. You have ten days and fourteen hours to implement all provisions from the exact time of passing. After 15-20 days, your nation should be pretty much collapsed.

So I do not expect him to be beaten by math. He actually did it correctly.

If this is true, the UN is the most hopelessly ineffective democratic body. We have the capability to pass only one new resolution every 5 years. Rather sick, no?

If this is true, the UN is the most hopelessly ineffective democratic body. We have the capability to pass only one new resolution every 5 years. Rather sick, no?

I'd say it'll take a bit longer than that, considering this resolution will prevent the mass production of paper...

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No, NS doesn't. Some NS players do, and some use 'one RL day = one RL month". Others use 'one day = one day'. I've still got an unfinshed RP that had one NS day = about a RL month. See fluid time (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Fluid_time) in NSwiki for a more comprehensive summary.

From a game mechanics perspective, all UN members will take a one-time hit during the update in which a proposal passes. Everything else is roleplay, and is unregulated by the game / the mods.

I tend to oversimplify. But, what I said is factually correct as far as I am concerned for my interpretation of how time passes in NS. They have 10 days and 14 hours from the time it passes.

Now, the idea a resolution takes years to vote on makes sense in some way. It deals with all of the studies, arguments, attempts to go to war, vote recounts, and everything else nations can come up with during the time it is up for vote which, combined with legal challenges through court systems, can take years.

As for it being hopelessly ineffective: Welcome to democracy in action.

Originally Posted by Lilliths Vengeance
I tend to oversimplify. But, what I said is factually correct as far as I am concerned for my interpretation of how time passes in NS. They have 10 days and 14 hours from the time it passes.

Now, the idea a resolution takes years to vote on makes sense in some way. It deals with all of the studies, arguments, attempts to go to war, vote recounts, and everything else nations can come up with during the time it is up for vote which, combined with legal challenges through court systems, can take years.

As for it being hopelessly ineffective: Welcome to democracy in action.
Oh, let's be serious now. If the real UN can get legislation passed in under five years, anybody can.

If this resolution is a big problem to your nations, why stay in the UN? :rolleyes: This conflict can be solved with your nations resignation, which in a way is like a garenteed AGAINST vote on this resolution from your nation. It also shows your against all other resolutions your nation disagrees with. If it is a problem let nations that want to vote for vote, and you resign. This way it satisfies nations on both extreme sides of the argument. If against wins, you can rejoin the UN (i think? :confused: ).

If this resolution is a big problem to your nations, why stay in the UN? :rolleyes: This conflict can be solved with your nations resignation, which in a way is like a garenteed AGAINST vote on this resolution from your nation. It also shows your against all other resolutions your nation disagrees with. If it is a problem let nations that want to vote for vote, and you resign. This way it satisfies nations on both extreme sides of the argument. If against wins, you can rejoin the UN (i think? :confused: ).

The problem with this theory is that then, if you feel that the UN can be changed into a manner that is more favorable to your own position, you remove all abilities for you to change the UN. As such, while you aren't effected, those that remain in the UN are. While some might be interested in leaving them to drown in their own stupidity, I would rather push for a better world, and I think that this resolution is repealable.

I actually think the final vote will be quite a bit closer than it is right now for a variety of reasons.

I actually think the final vote will be quite a bit closer than it is right now for a variety of reasons.

Doesn't look that way. Almost all votes have been cast.