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This delegate wishes to learn what a "rogue nation's" reasons are for not joining the UN and/or what a nation's reasons for leaving the UN were? We intend to report to the UN on practices that might be excluding other countries.

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This delegate wishes to learn what a "rogue nation's" reasons are for not joining the UN and/or what a nation's reasons for leaving the UN were? We intend to report to the UN on practices that might be excluding other countries.

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I think this rather belongs in the UN board, not here.

"Rules of War" "Enviromental Laws"

That and the fac the UN caused the biggest economic downturn in my nations history....

I think this rather belongs in the UN board, not here.

We assumed non-UN members would not read that board. It is my intent to get an idea of what non-UN members are thinking.

OOC: Personally, I see the U.N. as pointless. They place a number of restrictions what you can and cannot do (their bans on member nations' possession of biological and chemical weapons, for example), they are generally stifling economically, and they provide no tangible benefit to member states; there is no Security Council to embargo other nations and protect other member nations from non-members, there is no World Bank to assist development, there is no World Health Organization to help with epidemics and natural disasters. In my opinion, it was a nice idea, but ultimately does little good.

un is a dictatorship.. NO ONE SHALL RULE A RULER!!!

They don't like biological and chemical weapons. I produce them. Do the math.

I think the UN is just not right for Steinbrech. It just doesn't fit us.

The roles we play do not permit us to join. We have decided, though, that we do not want to join due to the various trends in here.

I would like the UN better if it was like in real life, with it going around and punishing genocides, etc. But the people running the NS UN are pussies- they wont even defend you if you get attacked.

Many reasons. I'm only in it because I'm with Gatesville.

"That and the fac the UN caused the biggest economic downturn in my nations history....
That was what drove one of my associate nations away from it.

im currently in the UN even though i dont like it, it dosnt let me be the ruler i want to be, in fact im quitting right now.

I quit because they pass almost everything unless it opens up slightly arms trade or any type of weapon manufacturing or something that might possibly benefit my nation. In which case it is shot down 8000 to 2000.

I'm a member of the UN, but only because membership makes the game more interesting to me. I don't like a lot of the UN resolutions. Most of them are either authoritarian or poorly written. That's enough, right?

(OOC: In a single night, the UN turned my nation into a democracy, ruining its economy. Went down two levels from frightening...can't remember what that is right now. Just didn't see any point in being in it, if it was just going to mess up my nation.)

There are many resolutions that contradict the culture and ideals of Avalantia.
I don't want my nation to be bound to those resolutions.

But the people running the NS UN are pussies- they wont even defend you if you get attacked.Of course not; that's not the UN's job. The UN concerns itself with gameplay, not roleplay. As for your nation being "attacked"; that is not the case. You elected to initiate hostilities against a nation simply because it was not a democracy, then you had the nerve to petition the UN to sanction your unjustified aggression.

the UN wants us to do things there way. and the only thing they offer is agreeing that we exist, hawever the point of being hear is becouse we didn't want other people telling us that we need to live aur life the same way as everyone els. the point of the UN was to give freedom to people but in actuality they are taking it! we want freedom and justice and we are going to get it thrugh independince, not by being orderd around.



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We kind of like our sovereignty, thanks. We don't think other nations ought to be voting on laws to implement in Copiosa Scotia, and seeing as our citizens are considerably freer and wealthier than those in most UN nations, we don't feel we particularly need the help either.

Krioval left the UN because some of the "big fish in a little pond" syndrome that permeates a lot of the resolutions that make it to the floor. Since all one needs is a slick advertising campaign and a "Human Rights" or "Environmental: All Businesses" category to push through just about everything, it reminds me more of a popularity contest than anything else.

The UN is to international law and oratory what a beauty pageant is to education and demonstration of talent. You get plenty of fluff but not much substance - especially about "world peace".

(OOC: In a single night, the UN turned my nation into a democracy, ruining its economy. Went down two levels from frightening...can't remember what that is right now. Just didn't see any point in being in it, if it was just going to mess up my nation.)

Krioval left the UN because some of the "big fish in a little pond" syndrome that permeates a lot of the resolutions that make it to the floor. Since all one needs is a slick advertising campaign and a "Human Rights" or "Environmental: All Businesses" category to push through just about everything, it reminds me more of a popularity contest than anything else.

The UN is to international law and oratory what a beauty pageant is to education and demonstration of talent. You get plenty of fluff but not much substance - especially about "world peace".

We kind of like our sovereignty, thanks. We don't think other nations ought to be voting on laws to implement in Copiosa Scotia, and seeing as our citizens are considerably freer and wealthier than those in most UN nations, we don't feel we particularly need the help either.

I hope some of the UN member see this and realize that other countries are not joining or are leaving because the UN is forcing them into a state of moral slavery. Pushing away member nations does not help the state of the world, no matter how well intentioned.

Simonovastan continues to be a member of the NSUN. We can empathize with those nation-states that do not wish to become members.

Often, resolutions are based on a "feel-good" mentality rather than grounded in reality. As a result, many resolutions are detrimental to economy and inconsiderate of unique culture.

Tyranny by majority.

Simonovans will never become a part of a homogenized-culture world, and would quit the UN before it came to that.

One of the simplest reasons not to join the U.N. is because it is just as easy for a nation to look at the legislation, say "Hey, that's a good idea" and implement it in its own nation as opposed to joining and being forced to comply with every law. But there's honestly a wide variety of reasons a nation wouldn't be a part of the U.N. For example, I'm not a part of the U.N. because I was kicked out. (rubs behind). At least a year or two now and it still hurts...

Simonovastan continues to be a member of the NSUN. We can empathize with those nation-states that do not wish to become members.

Often, resolutions are based on a "feel-good" mentality rather than grounded in reality. As a result, many resolutions are detrimental to economy and inconsiderate of unique culture.

Tyranny by majority.

Simonovans will never become a part of a homogenized-culture world, and would quit the UN before it came to that.

This delegate agrees. It seems that many delegates vote off of rhetoric and do not participate in the discussions of what they are voting on. Without discussion, how can one know truth?

To be honest, we're soon to leave as well. It bans too many weapons for our taste, outright ignores any nation that dares go for a different genre than just a carbon copy of modern tech, and implements laws that are unfeasible. However, we are thinking of sticking around long enough to get one piece of legislation through the door.

The UN crashed my economy so effectively that it took me over a year after I'd quit to recover from it. Infact it took me nearly two years. Add in the fact that UN resolutions are never discussed by any fraction of the delegates and you find you're fairly quickly talking to a wall and watching your nation crash and burn. No matter how eloquently you may argue your point, it's pointless, because 99% of the delegates will never read it and just vote however they want. There's no debate, no intelligent discussion, things are voted up or down on a whim.

Greetings.

We of Roathin, an observer of NSUN behaviour and a student of human cultural anthropology (besides the other designations appended below to our name) are interested in the mechanisms of the NSUN and what they reveal of human behaviour. This is the default behaviour of the NSUN, as most delegates are of human origin.

We propose (not, of course, as a resolution) that the powers beyond us should force delegates to post at least once in an official thread on each proposal they wish to approve. This may not seem a very clever idea, but in our experience of humans, making any decision about five steps more difficult will bias the decision towards two kinds of delegates: those with something personal at stake and those who are trying hard to be impersonal and perhaps even intelligent.

We suggest that this would reduce the torrent of feel-good resolutions to a trickle, as most who want to feel good are often not those who will put in excessive effort to feel good. We offer as evidence the plenitude of get-rich-quick schemes, instant-donor schemes, pyramid-selling schemes and other schemes. Truly has the iconoclast spoken, saying, "God has made man wise, but man has sought out many schemes."

We of course are only here because of the wonderful opportunities to watch the human race and learn about them. While there are many other races and even unique entities represented in the NSUN, the glory of humanity and its great follies are both to be enjoyed and even celebrated. Some achievements are both - a visit to the Strangers' Bar is a way to learn more of such.

We left the UN a while back, when it appeared that it was about to collapse - this was in the wake of the introduction of the repeal function. The promised catastrophe didn't happen, so we rejoined.

I don't like the UN and personally, I think a lot of the resolutions are insane. The only reason why my nation of playthings is a member, is to try and break this. Got a problem with the UN but don't want to leave? Join Gatesville, and try and stop the bloody stupid propositions.

I took my people out of the UN because of its total and utter lack of morrality, every nation who join must now, for exaple, alow the bestial practice of prostution in its streets. It was either leave the UN or impose 100% tax rates on this foul trade.

The only nation in my region who is in the UN is Anarkaia, they are so liberal they now have no laws at all concerning drugs, and yet they think that the UN could be too exrteam in its views.

From the dest of the prime minister of Muuul.

Pojonia hit the nail on the head at why it is much more beneficial to be a non-member: you can still follow resolutions you like, but you have the ability to opt out of everything else.

My summation of the UN is that its reactionary politics at its worst. People complain about the catering to businesses, the rich, oil companies, environmental problems, human rights issues, dictatorships, and a huge list of other things - and then try to push it through as a UN resolution. The problem with reactionary politics is in many cases, it is even less informed than the original politics they are reacting to - case and point, the End Fossile Fuels debate going on right now. Someone reacted so heavily to global warming and fossil fuel dependancy, that he's trying to get us to pass a resolution to quickly replace fossil fuel use. We have spent 4 pages trying to systematically go through each piece of data and show why it is unfeasable at this time to replace, and we are STILL debating. Solar Panel resolution, which is right now coming up for vote, suffers from the same problem - but I can almost guarantee this practically unfeasable resolution will pass with a massive majority (though thank god, it gives us 4 years to build an educational repeal that shows the unfeasability of the resolution). What's rather humorous is that the author tried to determine how much energy would be taken by a solar panel, and found that she couldn't find the data she was trying to present. There are all these people that are right now fairly ignorant to the science behind many of the resolutions but here it as a possibility and think "that's a great idea, we should make it as a full replacement and make it mandatory".

Pojonia hit the nail on the head at why it is much more beneficial to be a non-member: you can still follow resolutions you like, but you have the ability to opt out of everything else.

My summation of the UN is that its reactionary politics at its worst. People complain about the catering to businesses, the rich, oil companies, environmental problems, human rights issues, dictatorships, and a huge list of other things - and then try to push it through as a UN resolution. The problem with reactionary politics is in many cases, it is even less informed than the original politics they are reacting to - case and point, the End Fossile Fuels debate going on right now. Someone reacted so heavily to global warming and fossil fuel dependancy, that he's trying to get us to pass a resolution to quickly replace fossil fuel use. We have spent 4 pages trying to systematically go through each piece of data and show why it is unfeasable at this time to replace, and we are STILL debating. Solar Panel resolution, which is right now coming up for vote, suffers from the same problem - but I can almost guarantee this practically unfeasable resolution will pass with a massive majority (though thank god, it gives us 4 years to build an educational repeal that shows the unfeasability of the resolution). What's rather humorous is that the author tried to determine how much energy would be taken by a solar panel, and found that she couldn't find the data she was trying to present. There are all these people that are right now fairly ignorant to the science behind many of the resolutions but here it as a possibility and think "that's a great idea, we should make it as a full replacement and make it mandatory".

RAWR! Exactly. And their mistakes are often compounded by the fact that they bring their reactionary politics in from the real world and in certain rather significant respects NS is wildly different from said real world, which sometimes makes their real world views irrelevant in this context.

Siembieda']I don't like the UN and personally, I think a lot of the resolutions are insane. The only reason why my nation of playthings is a member, is to try and break this. Got a problem with the UN but don't want to leave? Join Gatesville, and try and stop the bloody stupid propositions.

MegaDittos.This is one of the reasons I joined. :p We need more common sense in the UN.

This delegate agrees. It seems that many delegates vote off of rhetoric and do not participate in the discussions of what they are voting on. Without discussion, how can one know truth?

Hell I dont even think most members that vote, even look at the forum. They read the proposal(at least I sincerily hope) and vote without thinking of the consequences of their actions.

Torontia used to be a UN member but left.

Torontia left when there was some resolution passed on giving free water or setting up a third world water system. This stupid resolution made Torontia's economic rating go down from powerhouse to good.

Torontia is a one party right-wing dictatorship and the UN passes resolutions of a left-wing nature. Here is a list of the left-wing resolutions passed by the UN that I can think off:

1.) The UN enforces gay weddings on nations. Homosexuality is illegal in Torontia.

2.) The UN makes nations tolerate prositution. Torontia executes these vile people.

3.) The UN is tolerant of so-called tansgender people. Torontia hates these perverts.

4.) The UN imposes socialism in nations. The UN states that education and healthcare should be free :mad: . Torontia makes people pay for these services.

5.) The UN forces nations to spend money on lazy unemployed people. Torontia lets them starve to death in the streets.

6.) The UN makes nations have trade unions and a minimum wage. In Torontia, busniesses pay whatever they feel they need to pay to their workers and if people go on strike, they get shot.

7.) The UN bans WMDs. Torontia loves WMDs and loves it even more when civilian populations get wiped out with WMDs.

8.) The UN is opposed to nations giving support to terrorist groups. Torontia funds Neo-Nazi and Islamic terrorists.

These are just some of the resolutions that go against Torontia's policies.

Torontia urges all nations to leave the UN and gain real freedom.

Torontia is a one party right-wing dictatorship and the UN passes resolutions of a left-wing nature. Here is a list of the left-wing resolutions passed by the UN that I can think off:

1.) The UN enforces gay weddings on nations. Homosexuality is illegal in Torontia.

2.) The UN makes nations tolerate prositution. Torontia executes these vile people.

3.) The UN is tolerant of so-called tansgender people. Torontia hates these perverts.
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7.) The UN bans WMDs. Torontia loves WMDs and loves it even more when civilian populations get wiped out with WMDs.

8.) The UN is opposed to nations giving support to terrorist groups. Torontia funds Neo-Nazi and Islamic terrorists.
Left-wing? Err, pardon me if I don't understand how exactly these policies relate to a disapproval of capitalism?

Torontia's beliefs are like this:

Democracy, even with capitalist economies, is a communist plot to fool people into their tyranny.

I oppose the concepts of human equality or freedom. For me, nautre favours those who are strong and thus those who are rich and can look after themselves are strong.

The poor are weak and only worthy of oppression and they need to accept their lower status position for they should only live to serve the rich and strong.

Prositutes and homsexuals are perverts. The death penalty is the only sane option for them.

Homosexuals have a secret agenda, a plot, to destroy society by causing social discord and the breakdown of the family, not to mention they brought AIDs to every nation on earth!

The left have always supported perverts and social misfits.

Anyone who claims to be an anarcho capitalist or a libertarian right winger are communists/anarchists in disguise as they seek to destroy society with anarchy and chaos.

Torontia's beliefs are like this:

Democracy, even with capitalist economies, is a communist plot to fool people into their tyranny.

I oppose the concepts of human equality or freedom. For me, nautre favours those who are strong and thus those who are rich and can look after themselves are strong.

The poor are weak and only worthy of oppression and they need to accept their lower status position for they should only live to serve the rich and strong.

Prositutes and homsexuals are perverts. The death penalty is the only sane option for them.

Homosexuals have a secret agenda, a plot, to destroy society by causing social discord and the breakdown of the family, not to mention they brought AIDs to every nation on earth!

The left have always supported perverts and social misfits.

Anyone who claims to be an anarcho capitalist or a libertarian right winger are communists/anarchists in disguise as they seek to destroy society with anarchy and chaos.

These are the IC views of Torontia, as a nation and government.

The above views do NOT represent my own RL views.

As a rule, I never RP a NS nation with my own RL political views.

OOC: I've noticed that a lot of people here are complaining that the UN destroyed their economy. I'd like to take this opportunity to dispute those claims. My nation has been in the UN since it's founding in January 2004. It's economy is currently listed as Frightening, and when I founded this nation it was listed lower than that (don't ask me what it was originally, I don't remember). And I can't remember a single UN resolution that has changed what my nation's economy was listed as ever. So all you nations out there complaining that the UN ruined your economies might want to take a closer look at how you answered your daily issues while you were in the UN because those will have a lot more impact on your nation than the UN ever will.

Our nation refuses to join the UN. I've personally looked over every resolution, and I've found everything from completely childish issues, to the "issue of the day", and people going way overboard on resolutions that may have made sense if they hadn't gone so far.

In fact, I was shocked that the resolution to repeal the dolphin protection resolution was voted down! The original resolution shouldn't have passed in the first place. Dolphins are not endangered species. Just because they're "cute" people will vote anything in. What's next? A resolution protecting dogs? Cats? perhaps even cattle? and omg!! we have to protect those poor chickens as well!

Now I happen to love animals, but we have to be realistic. Realism is something that the UN seems to be seriously lacking. I see resolutions that would have never even been considered in the "real world". People just vote out of emotion, they don't put any thought into their votes! Well okay, many probably do, but the majority doesn't seem to! And that's dangerous! It's also something that I'm not willing to subject my country to. If I want my own internal polices screwed up, I'll do that on my own.

I really do think the UN votes for what's "popular" and "politically correct". I hate to point this out, but political correctness isn't always practical. You have to take so many other things into consideration when running a nation.

And hey, I'm not some conservative. My nation is a very liberal socialist state dedicated to the welfare of its people. However I feel that MANY if not most of the UN resolutions would be damaging to my nation.

Resolutions I really don't "get".

Resolution 2: Scientific freedom. It's far too vague! I know I've banned the cloning of human beings in my nation.

Resolution 5: DVD region removal. ummm... What's the point? And how is this of any concern to the UN?

Resolution 6: End Slavery. Slavery is a bad thing! To be sure! But what's all this other crap that's in there with it?

"The right to leave her or his job, given two weeks' notice." ??? How does that have anything to do with slavery???????

"The right to travel freely throughout their country." Again, it has nothing to do with slavery!

Resolution 8: Citizen Rule Required. While I support democratic forms of government and think they're a good thing, the UN shouldn't be telling people what kind of political system they should be using.

Resolution 9: Keep The World Disease-Free! Again, this isn't the place of the UN. Unless of course they're going to provide funds so that poorer nations can afford these things? You can't expect every nation to maintain the same standard of living. Some may be unable to. Not everyone is rich!

Resolution 10: Stop privacy intrusion. Again, an area in which the UN shouldn't be sticking its nose into!

Resolution 13: MANDATORY RECYCLING. Again, how can the UN expect all member states to afford such a program? Is the UN going to pay for this????

Resolution 15: Protect Historical Sites. The resolution gives no definition of what a historical site is!!! How can nations be expected to know what to protect? And again... Who's going to pay for this?

Resolution 18: Hydrogen Powered Vehicles. First... How can we know that someone isn't going to find something better and/or cheaper than hydrogen? And were the member states aware that the production of hydrogen requires a large amount of electrical power? Thus if you're using "unclean" sources of electrical power production, it makes the whole hydrogen car issue moot. Also... Again... Who is going to pay for this???

Resolution 23: Replanting Trees. Again... Who is going to pay for this?

Resolution 24: Metric System. How can the UN force a system of measurement on people? Doesn't the UN realize the costs of converting from say imperial measurement to the metric system?

Resolution 26: The Universal Bill of Rights. While the UN's goals are truly noble, you can't just force a bill of rights upon another nation. That should be the choice of the individual nation.

Resolution 27: Due Process. Again, you can't force a judicial system upon all nations.

Resolution 28: Free education. Again... Who's going to pay for this?

Resolution 29: Common Sense Act II. Again, you have the UN getting way too deeply into the internal affairs of its member states!

Resolution 25: Stop dumping - Start Cleaning. Again, you have the UN going to far!

Resolution 36: Freedom of Humor. What exactly is this a resolution for? There doesn't seem to be any limits? And what may be funny to one person may not be funny to another. For example.. Should nations be forced to air holocaust jokes on national TV and radio? The resolution doesn't seem to indicate any limits here. And also... What's the point of the resolution in the first place?

Resolution 37: World Heritage List. Again, who's going to pay for this?

Resolution 38: The Rights of Labor Unions. Once again the UN buries itself too deeply into the internal affairs of its member states.

Resolution 39: Alternative Fuels. It's not the place of the UN to demand this.

And with that I'm done. After like 9 pages, I'm done... There's a lot more resolutions that I could point out, but it's not worth my time.

My point being... The UN acts more like an international government than it does an international organization. Seriously... Look at all of these resolutions, the UN digs itself too deeply into what should be the internal matters of its member states. And I hate to tell you, not everyone shares your political opinions.

For myself actually.. I'm willing to agree with a lot of these. However, I don't think these resolutions should be forced upon all member states!

Sure some may say... If you don't like it, then you don't have to join. And while that is true, it also locks a LOT of states out of the only international organization in NS. And I don't think that's fair. Nor is it healthy for global politics.

And in no way are we "rogue nations". If you like having every little internal issue in your country decided for you, then you're free to do so. But I feel that the UN itself goes against its very principals. The UN claims to support democracy, yet the UN subverts the democratic systems of its member states by controlling every single thing that goes on internally within its member states.

Again.. I say that the UN is not an organization. It's a world government!

Thus I can't see us joining the UN now or anytime in the foreseeable future.

OOC: I've noticed that a lot of people here are complaining that the UN destroyed their economy. I'd like to take this opportunity to dispute those claims. My nation has been in the UN since it's founding in January 2004. It's economy is currently listed as Frightening, and when I founded this nation it was listed lower than that (don't ask me what it was originally, I don't remember). And I can't remember a single UN resolution that has changed what my nation's economy was listed as ever. So all you nations out there complaining that the UN ruined your economies might want to take a closer look at how you answered your daily issues while you were in the UN because those will have a lot more impact on your nation than the UN ever will.
Prior to leaving the UN, Yeldas economy was "All Consuming" and according to thirdgeek its GDP Per Capita was a bit over 20,000. After leaving the UN it increased to "Frightening" and GDP Per Capita went up to 27000. Now, Yelda has a socialist economy, 100% tax rate, no private business ownership etc., but I can't help but think that UN resolutions were having at least some effect. For the most part though, I would have to agree with you. If a nations economy is trashed it is the result of poor economic decisions, not UN resolutions.

I think this may be where I point out that Enn now has its strongest economy since founding, despite being nearly entirely within the UN during that time.

I think this may be where I point out that Enn now has its strongest economy since founding, despite being nearly entirely within the UN during that time.

This is much easier to do when you are a country of 3.5 billion with well established industry like Enn is. The UN resolutions make small countries choose between economy and civil rights.

Forgottenlands UN, my UN state has been in the UN since it was founded something like 2 months ago. I have answered a grand total of 2 daily issues, both regarding civil rights (and I dismissed I think 3 others). Its economy has, at worst, not changed since it was formed (I think it actually went up) - and that's including the fact that a few environmental resolutions went through. It has gone from a 5 million nation to 430 million and I'd say its economy is far from being destroyed, so let's dispense with the bull**** please!

Forgottenlands UN, my UN state has been in the UN since it was founded something like 2 months ago. I have answered a grand total of 2 daily issues, both regarding civil rights (and I dismissed I think 3 others). Its economy has, at worst, not changed since it was formed (I think it actually went up) - and that's including the fact that a few environmental resolutions went through. It has gone from a 5 million nation to 430 million and I'd say its economy is far from being destroyed, so let's dispense with the bull**** please!

A couple of things...the UN is unlikely to have significantly impaired your economy unless you were already neglecting it...the UN does impact your economy, but given the mild nature of UN resolution effects you can probably fix it in a few issues unless you are a really really small nation.

That's just stat changes though, and only focused on Environmental resolutions. Depending on how you RP your nation you could certainly make an In-Character case for the UN ruining your economy.

A couple of things...the UN is unlikely to have significantly impaired your economy unless you were already neglecting it...the UN does impact your economy, but given the mild nature of UN resolution effects you can probably fix it in a few issues unless you are a really really small nation.

That's just stat changes though, and only focused on Environmental resolutions. Depending on how you RP your nation you could certainly make an In-Character case for the UN ruining your economy.

We, the articifer / analysts of the Dominon of the Machine Spirit are not convinced of this. During a four day lull in activity when the UNCOSEB passed our realm's economy went from "Triving" to "Good". Our unemployment tripled and our income tax shot from 8% to 21%. Our GDP per capita went from $25,000 to $7,000 and our primary industry switched from "Trout Farming" to "Information Technology", most likely due to critical damage to the Trout industry. Some of these have been fixed internally. Others, like our unemployment and GDP per capita, can not be. It is possible that small countries are more affected by UN resolutions then large ones. It is possible that some government types are more adversly affected. Certainly the responses in this thread support this as well.

The Dominion has constructed an experimental settlement that is not a UN member. It is founded on the same ideology as ours and will be making the same political choices as this Dominion. We will see after some time how differently it comes out.

May your gears mesh fully. - End Statement -

OOC: I think it's been stated in several other topics that the NSUN isn't supposed to be like the RL UN, and from what I've seen, it isn't. I liken it more to the Old Republic of the Star Wars series.

IC: I'll have to take a further look, but with the recent change of regime at Invisionize, we may be forced to pull ourselves from the UN. Some people here are right. It doesn't quite fit in with the more centralized political systems.

We, the articifer / analysts of the Dominon of the Machine Spirit are not convinced of this. During a four day lull in activity when the UNCOSEB passed our realm's economy went from "Triving" to "Good". Our unemployment tripled and our income tax shot from 8% to 21%. Our GDP per capita went from $25,000 to $7,000 and our primary industry switched from "Trout Farming" to "Information Technology", most likely due to critical damage to the Trout industry. Some of these have been fixed internally. Others, like our unemployment and GDP per capita, can not be. It is possible that small countries are more affected by UN resolutions then large ones. It is possible that some government types are more adversly affected. Certainly the responses in this thread support this as well.

The Dominion has constructed an experimental settlement that is not a UN member. It is founded on the same ideology as ours and will be making the same political choices as this Dominion. We will see after some time how differently it comes out.

May your gears mesh fully. - End Statement -

Like I said...unless you're a really really small nation. 23 million is really really small in relative terms.

Sometimes there is a small hit to the economy. However I was a larger nation when I joined(approx 375million Pop.). My economy went from powerhouse to thriving. However since I always was capitalistic, pro business, small government, and in favor of low taxes, in about 2 weeks(give or take a few days) my economy recovered to Powerhouse again. So I would agree that unless you are a small nation, your economy will recover quickly, especially if you are fiscally conservative, and pro business. I will agree with Flibbleites though, the daily issues will affect you more.

The UN downleveled Krioval's economy twice. Once was the Universal Library Coalition, which passed when Krioval wasn't exactly a large nation. The other was "Establish UNWCC", which dropped me from Frightening to All-Consuming. Granted I'd probably been on the low end of the "Frightening scale", seeing as I was holding a pocket issue on the off chance that my economy did fall.

Sure enough. Answered the issue to promote the economy and up I went. Of course, I swore that the next vague Social Justice or nitpicky Environmental: All resolution to hit the floor and threaten to pass would be Krioval's resignation. Now my delightfully Frightening economy can't be messed up unless it's my fault. Note that Krioval's spending for "Social Welfare", "Social Equality", and "Environment" are all zero. I wonder if nudging them from zero to *anything* would cause a jolt on the economy more than, say, going from 25 to 26 percent.