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The Republic of Teruchev continues to seek qualified opinion on the proposed repeal of the "Sex Education Act", namely on how the Act could be modified to overcome the parts that are too vague, and to strike out the parts that read more as a medical leaflet than a UN resolution.

Teruchev seeks renewed input from Love and esterel and Forgottenlands, who have been so kind as to discuss their resolution on this forum, and have maintained a civil debate on the matter.

We also seek input from a wide array of perspectives from all stakeholders with an interest in the outcome of said Act, for the ultimate goal of a repeal and resubmission, as part of a coordinative effort.

Steve Perry
President
Republic of Teruchev

Thank you, Groot Gouda, for your comments.

In response to your question, the Sex Education Act reads like a medical leaflet when it alludes to:

-B- Education about female sexuality is often unheard of and no mention is made of the clitoris, the statistically most erogenous zone for women, which is not directly correlated with reproduction

The Republic of Teruchev does not feel that the UN needs to busy itself with such matters; there are countless sex instruction manuals readily available to interested parties.

Furthermore, Teruchev is opposed to the goal advanced by certain member states of using the UN as social engineer. This was never the intention of a world governing body and, despite the noble concerns of this camp, should not be pursued.

Please feel free to reply with any additional questions or concerns you may have.

Steve Perry
President
Republic of Teruchev

A , bugger, I misread the title and thought is was about the Sex Industry Worker Act ;)

My mistake, you're right, sorry.

We fully support any and all attempts to repeal this resolution as we feel that the UN should not be micromanaging it's member's educational systems like this.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

The Republic of Teruchev continues to seek qualified opinion on the proposed repeal of the "Sex Education Act", namely on how the Act could be modified to overcome the parts that are too vague, and to strike out the parts that read more as a medical leaflet than a UN resolution.
Teruchev seeks renewed input from Love and esterel and Forgottenlands, who have been so kind as to discuss their resolution on this forum, and have maintained a civil debate on the matter.
We also seek input from a wide array of perspectives from all stakeholders with an interest in the outcome of said Act, for the ultimate goal of a repeal and resubmission, as part of a coordinative effort.
Steve Perry President Republic of Teruchev


If I recall on this Resolution it doesn't make it manditory for any nation to do anything just URGES them to provide sex education to it's youth.. I believe before age 18... It gave reasons to reduce unwanted pregnancy and prevent spread or virus.. Also it set that sex was a function of two issues... pleasure and reproduction...

We supported it because it didn't mandate a sex education program just URGED one and suggested what might be included in the programs and an age to provide it to before our youth start experimenting with sex.. Thus overall we liked it.

It also included as a suggestion that it included sex between all people as a couple regardless of gender.. It did not mandate so any nation that felt it was wrong for man-man or woman-woman didn't have to teach it and could stay with the natural man-woman.

We also felt that by mentioning the woman and that it is more than just a reproductive process, it pleasure, it was more realistic than some we have seen come up. As we know for fact that many of our youth are tempted to experiment with sex because of that natural beast in them at certain ages. So educating them of this helps them deal with it and do it safe.. also prevents unwanted pregnancy.. I know some youths don't listen and will still not act sensible when the beast gets them and they want sex. Also as we move about this world and our youth do; they will be exposed to all sorts of sexual activity. So who do you want to educate them on proper sexual conduct... Some Geugeu in some Rogue Nation or their parents or an educator who teaches them as you would require them taught and who can also provide proper warning of the Geugeu of this world.

As we had a program in place we were affraid or strong language that might cause us to have to change our program thus lower what we do instead of improve on it.. Since the resolution allows us to decide how and who we educate this is good as we have been able to continue our own sex education progams as we deem needed.

Also here a repeal means nothing in place and something new to come... So far we have not seen better proposed and don't like to just repeal leaving it open to later come in and ban the process completely.. Which we have seen come up.. This one does block something worse coming up until it's repealed... Thus we see this not as mandating sex education but a block on anyone wanting to ban it... protecting those nations that might have one in place.

Zarta Warden
UN Ambassador Zeldon
OOC: Note: (Geugeu=a perverted whore preys on others for sexual perversion) not a real world word just trying to keep it simple and family rating..

OOC: We pulled a copy of the Resolution to post:
The Sex Education Act A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Love and esterel Description: The United Nations,
DEEPLY DISTURBED that in many Nations:
-A- Sexual education is lacking
-B- Education about female sexuality is often unheard of and no mention is made of the clitoris, the statistically most erogenous zone for women, which is not directly correlated with reproduction
-C- Lack of quality sex education can lead, many times, to unplanned teen pregnancies and unnecessary abortion
OBSERVING that:
-D- Sex has two important functions: reproduction and pleasure
-E- Sexual activity is a common activity, contributing to the happiness of many people, worldwide
URGES: -1- All Nations to organize and secure some sexual education courses for all, before the age of 18-years; and
-2- All Nations to include in these courses, information about male sexuality, female sexuality, opposite-sex relationships, same-sex relationships, masturbation, birth control methods, abortion right, AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases without any value judgment
Votes For: 10,048
Votes Against: 3,921

Thank you, Zeldon 6229 Nodlez, for your comments.

On all counts, you are correct. The Act in question does not mandate anything; only encourages member nations to move in a certain direction on this given matter.

Nonetheless, this does not dissuade the Republic of Teruchev's fundamental thrust on opposing this Act. To reiterate:

1) The Republic of Teruchev does not feel that the UN needs to busy itself with such matters; there are countless sex instruction manuals readily available to interested parties.

2) Teruchev is opposed to the goal advanced by certain member states of using the UN as social engineer. This was never the intention of a world governing body and, despite the noble concerns of this camp, should not be pursued.

To expand on the latter point, whether the strength of said social engineering is mild or significant is largely irrelevant; for, as is noted on the NSUN page, in NS member nations are obliged to follow UN resolutions, not to abide by the ones they like and ignore the rest, as in real life.

Steve Perry
President
Republic of Teruchev

The empire of Tajiri_san cannot support a repeal of this proposal except to tighten up the language or give the bill more strength to actually make somethign happen.

OOC: Really not in the mood for all the ambassador crap right now. Another time. Just watched a South Park about this very thing. It was both funny and right. (Also sick.) As such, I fully support a repeal. I'd suggest keeping it short - simply point out the resolution's vagueness, and point out the fact that the UN has no business telling us what to do in these matters.

Apologies for the delayed response, and for the fact that I must delay it even further. I have just gotten back from a period of low activity and I didn't respond due to my wish to give it a satisfactory level of attention (on a similar note, I didn't get much time to discuss the cloning proposal either - again, something I need to catch up on). I will try to bring forth opinions on the matter over the course of the weekend.

1) The Republic of Teruchev does not feel that the UN needs to busy itself with such matters; there are countless sex instruction manuals readily available to interested parties.


The UN here does need to get involved as it is protecting the choices of individual members who might want, as we do, a sex education program.. I have seen more proposals to be presented that would take away what we already do causing us to either lower or programs or do away with protions of them we feel needed simply because some other nations feels that say: Teaching that man on top always is the only way and we teach that whatever feels right is okay.. Thus this preserves you right to teach just man on top.. while litting us teach it our way. So the UN is doing the right thing by saying on the issues of sex education we are going to leave it up to individual nations to decide how they teach it to be done. Also what warning they may include in it. If you want to warn them that doing it my way is bad for a mans back then do so, on not safe if the woman is over 400 pounds the do so.. The resolution protects that right to decide if you want it and what you want it to include.. Prevents individual nations from imposing their ideas of sex on you.. yet asks you to respect their ideas of sex.. So it is good....

The UN needs to be working more to protecting membership as individuals not moving them to conform to a small group's ideals.. What makes the UN what it has become is individual nations all different respecting those differences and making all aware of them, not trying to eliminate them... allowing each member to safely view others and if they like what they see change to a better life for all. My nation is not perfect we learn new things all the time from many nations and we try to use them to better our own... The UN is a meeting point to share new things... in peace..
Zarta Warden,
UN Ambassador Zeldon

OOC: I just relooked at the define of URGES and can see you point... But still will support this as I have been.... As it doesn't say if you don't do it we will flog the offender with wet noodles... thus I see URGES had a meaning near suggesting something than extorting it.. It's a matter of real or role.. Role since it didn't set punishments then uges is more a suggestion fits..... Also in E-1 it says some sex education again how much is 'some' sex education... This was part liked as it let me decide level given,.. not the UN decide... which means if I want to spend 1 silence/$/whatever per stundent on the programs then that is all I have to spend. Again not a mandated cost imposed on my nation for sex education. --
We will be out a while have family in path of Katrina and we need to be with them...

Thank you, Zeldon, Forgottenlands, Gruenberg, and Tajiri_san for your comments.

Zeldon, I agree with you in that the Sex Education Act is indeed a relatively mild resolution. This may have just been a case of the "straw breaking the camel's back", especially coming as it did on the heels of the narrow defeat of the Transgender resolution, which should have never reached quorum in the first place. But I digress.

Tajiri_san, your comments have been useful in helping me the gage the level of support for this Act, both pro and con.

Gruenberg, I couldn't agree more. As I write this I have a draft prepared that alludes to those very points you mentioned.

Forgottenlands, while I may be too busy celebrating Saskatchewan's Centennial this weekend, I look forward to hearing your thoughts on these matters.

Oh right, I mean, uh, Teruchev's centennial. Er, uh, yes.

Steve Perry
President
Republic of Teruchev

OOC: Yeah, I'm skipping the Alberta Centennial, got slightly more important things to worry about this weekend :D

The only real issues I have with the resolution as it stands is the fact that it doesn't address what is already in place in most industrialized countries: basic biological information, information regarding the developement of the child, relationship building, etc. The resolution does an amazing job at discussing the areas that are missed by most current Sex Ed programs (mainly, the actual details of sex, forms of them, as well as acceptance of other forms) as well as a few crucial components that are normally addressed (STDs and Birth Control), but little beyond that.

relationship building,

we agree, it's lacking in the resolution
one (only one, even the priests of HOCEK didn't care about it) UN member send us a nice telegram, (during the vote) to told us he liked the resolution, but he was regreting the absence of "relationship building" or "long term relationship" (i don't remember exactly the term he used); we answered him that "we agree with him, but don't have the courage to begin the whole process again from nothing'.

basic biological information, information regarding the developement of the child,

we think it's covered by:
"information about male sexuality, female sexuality, opposite-sex relationships"

The empire of Tajiri_san cannot support a repeal of this proposal except to tighten up the language or give the bill more strength to actually make somethign happen.


This is the reason we like this resolution as it until it's repealed no nation can propose on that requires and punishes a nation for not having a proper sex education program. It mearly urges them to do so, then leaves it up to individual nations to establish one and what it will contain and who will be taught it.

I can URGE you to give me all your money and you have two choices of actions after that:

1) Look at me and laugh and then walk away.
2) Knock me on my rear take my money and walk away.

Since this resolution only URGES then you can do what you want. You have the choice to make that will lead to the next step, which is also your choice based on what you do as a second choice... The UN has simply URGED you to have a sex education program.. They have not told you what step 2 should be, thus giving each nation soverniety over what it will be. Thus leaving step 3 as an outcome of what they do in step 2.. Not being slapped with santions or whatever because they included or excluded using KY jelly to promote better sex in all these programs, they leave such issues up to individual nations.

Our office is very much in favor of a repeal of the resolution in question.

Deputy Minister of UN Affairs
Thomas Smith

We would fully support a repeal of this resolution, and would fully oppose attempts to reinstate legislation that so tramples upon the dignity of our national education system.

1) The Republic of Teruchev does not feel that the UN needs to busy itself with such matters; there are countless sex instruction manuals readily available to interested parties.
The point of the resolution being that in many nations there are not 'countless sex instruction manuals readily available to interested parties', or at least there wouldn't be without this resolution.

Repealing a resolution that enabled greater provision and support for progressive sex education, purely on the grounds that it is not specific enough, strikes me as counter-productive in the exteme.

We will vote against this.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

Thanks everyone, for your comments. I am pleased to have so many responses, although forgive me if I can't respond to them all at once.

Compadria, you can be assured that the Republic of Teruchev does not and has not in the past ever stood in the way of the furtherment of progressive sex education. In addition, Teruchev has a multitude of reasons for opposing this Act, which have been laid out in this thread repeatedly.

I welcome Texan Hotrodders to the discussion, and appreciate his lending support and experience to this initiative.

Enn, you make a valid point, and I appreciate your contribution to this discussion.

Love and esterel and Forgottenlands, I truly can't thank you two enough for having an open mind and listening to my thoughts on this matter, and your willingness to work together in a constructive manner.

Zeldon, your point is well-heeded by Teruchev. Unfortunately, as I type this yet another proposal to repeal the Act in question has been posted, this time with absolutely no text in the argument line. While I am very flexible about whether or not to submit a proposal of my own, the more of these embarrassing proposals that appear, the lesser chance I have of success in submitting my own.

Moreover, such ridiculous proposals are strengthening my resolve to submit this repeal, even if the coalition-building phase is of-yet incomplete. One almost feels compelled to release this repeal proposal just to silence the jokers who have been submitting sub-par "documents" for some time now.

Steve Perry
President
Republic of Teruchev

Any contentious resolution - no matter how vast its support base - will be repealed extensively. You'll recall that we almost had as something like 11 or 12 pages in the thread for the resolution - making it one of the more heavily debated resolutions in recent history (though it still pales in comparison to the Transgender act shortly before)

Other contentious resolutions - like Abortion Rights and Euthanasia - have had similar repeal proposals sent over and over again. Neither have much hope of making it to the floor, and even less hope of passing on the floor (though Waterana's recent attempts to rewrite Abortion Rights might be successful). One cannot gauge the validity of a proposal based upon how many repeal attempts are made.

One cannot gauge the validity of a proposal based upon how many repeal attempts are made.

You are absolutely correct, Forgottenlands, and it is all the more reason why, in light of the numerous sub-par proposals as of late that have tried to repeal the Act in question (look under 'list proposals' on the UN page for reference) it is imperative that I provide a reasoned, respectful motion for repeal, the likelihood of its success aside.

It should be noted that nowhere in my last thread was reference made to Teruchev finding resolve from the sheer number of repeal proposals forwarded over the past few weeks, which, in truth, are often worded in an ignorant manner, if they are worded at all. This cannot be stressed enough. I am not keen on having my initiative railroaded by repeated rebuttals to remarks of mine that have been taken out of context.

I look forward in the days ahead to working with all stakeholders in coming to an amicable agreement for all.

Steve Perry
President
Republic of Teruchev

Zeldon, your point is well-heeded by Teruchev. Unfortunately, as I type this yet another proposal to repeal the Act in question has been posted, this time with absolutely no text in the argument line. While I am very flexible about whether or not to submit a proposal of my own, the more of these embarrassing proposals that appear, the lesser chance I have of success in submitting my own.



We also have noted a larger number of repeals go up and feel that many a worthless and meaningless items of trash... Also that since it is easier to just fill in the blanks and make a repeal that many newer deligates prefer this to writing a constructive well thought out actual proposal... Thus they flood the quorum with repeals only any issue most they have no idea about just want to get attenrtion. If your desire to repeal this Sex Education Act had a better reason than to put one up that will stop repeals then I'd say go for it. Since there will always be young new members who want attenrtion we will get these repeals.. Look at some of the ones on Repeal Taxes issue.. Most of them believe that it has the UN taxing them so they want to repeal it. Also believe saw one on the Child Labor Resolution wanting to repeal it because it put kids to work early on when in fact it stops them from working early on. Thus noted a repeal of a resolution such as Sex Education that simply provides some protection to current Sex Education Programs in place need not be repealed as the one that will get up next is to ban those effective Sex Education Programs that we do have.. in place. thus sitting all back not moving them forward.

-B- Education about female sexuality is often unheard of and no mention is made of the clitoris, the statistically most erogenous zone for women, which is not directly correlated with reproduction


I would question if you highlighted this section in your first post for medical reason or for the fact it talks about a fact of life females have a clitoris and they deserve to share in pleasure when having sex as much as a male might... or do you feel a need to have mention of the male penis being uncircumsized or circumsized... As have seen a proposal to ban circumsision come up and many were offended it even did.. Is it the wording that offends you here or are you against a woman also having pleasure during sex... Or the open public mention of those private body parts... Most children can read all about on bathroom walls or from some older person who is a pervert and all the willing to tell them these things if you are not...

Ignorance breeds abuse only education can end it, and to many children end up abused because parents don't want to or know how to talk about sex with them.. Sex Education is a must this resolution only URGES you to have it..

Dave Morgan
First Assistant Clerk to
Zeldon UN Ambassador

(A)re you against a woman also having pleasure during sex... Or the open public mention of those private body parts...

Ignorance breeds abuse only education can end it, and to many children end up abused because parents don't want to or know how to talk about sex with them.. Sex Education is a must this resolution only URGES you to have it..

In response to Zeldon's first question, it will please the member to know that the Republic of Teruchev has among the world's most progressive programs in regards to human sexuality, including discussion of alternative lifestyles and relationships.

In response to your second statement, Teruchev agrees with you wholeheartedly. It is the furthest thing from our nation's purpose to deny its citizens access to life-affirming literature and public health education.

In order to ensure that this discussion does not devolve into partisan or ideologically-driven rhetoric, allow me to restate Teruchev's objections:

1)The Republic of Teruchev does not feel that the UN needs to busy itself with such matters; there are countless sex instruction manuals readily available to interested parties.

2)Teruchev is opposed to the goal advanced by certain member states of using the UN as social engineer. This was never the intention of a world governing body and, despite the noble concerns of this camp, should not be pursued.

I would caution potential panel members to read in full my posts on this forum before submitting their responses.

Steve Perry
President
Republic of Teruchev

2)Teruchev is opposed to the goal advanced by certain member states of using the UN as social engineer. This was never the intention of a world governing body and, despite the noble concerns of this camp, should not be pursued.

Nonono. The purpose of the RL UN is not as a Social Engineer. On that we are agreed. It was designed to be a body to help promote peace and assist in the settling of disputes as well as dealing with global humanitarian needs.

The NSUN...

The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision

From the mouth of Max, that sounds a lot like an organization that could be and very well welcomes the concept of social engineering. Additionally, previous resolutions (Abortion Rights, the thousand and one gay rights/marriage and Legalize Euthanasia to name a few) have worked as social engineering resolutions - deciding the position for contested resolutions for members. Now, this FAQ statement could be used as a manner to support your claim to 1 (You don't feel that the UN should be used as a social engineer and would support proposals that remove that ability - which is fairly similar to TH's arguments for National Sovereignty), but to claim it's purpose was not AS a social engineer....isn't entirely true.

Thank you again, Forgottenlands, for your comments. I will heed this advice you have given me in any further decisions undertaken by the Republic of Teruchev.

Indeed, there exists an incredible vagueness in the language regarding the UN's purpose, that leaves matters open for interpretation.

I understand your point where you differentiate the RL UN and the NS UN. To me, the NSUN is reminiscent sometimes of a U.S. state House of Representatives moreso than a world body, and I find this troubling. But this gets into a discussion on game mechanics, in all likelihood, and would only open up another can of worms. I am satisfied enough handling the chord I've struck on this forum.

Perhaps it is Teruchev's predisposition to taking a moderate tack on nearly every matter that sees the level of social engineering resolutions in the NSUN disconcerting. Without even having submitted a resolution or proposal of my own, there has been a substantial level of acrimony present on this thread, which hasn't ventured into "overt" territory yet but indeed has taken on the guise of thinly-veiled suggestions at the underlying motives present in this initiative.

Steve Perry
President
Republic of Teruchev

Despite your increasingly passionate love affair with your thesaurus, we still support the motive of your repeal. Good luck. When it is submitted, we will ask our delegate to approve it.

In response to Zeldon's first question, it will please the member to know that the Republic of Teruchev has among the world's most progressive programs in regards to human sexuality, including discussion of alternative lifestyles and relationships.


Then perhaps we could later arrange for educators from my nation to meet and exchange ideas in such topics.. Thus perhpas throught this learning more from each other and both gaining in the process. As we feel that a good education is a foundation for producing productive citizens and that sex is part of that education since it deals with reproduction and out future citizens..


In response to your second statement, Teruchev agrees with you wholeheartedly. It is the furthest thing from our nation's purpose to deny its citizens access to life-affirming literature and public health education.


If that material fails to contain information on my reproduction process then it would in as sense leave out some of the life affirming literature as not many nations even believe in cloning and only support clones because of Resolution 56. Thus how does your nation deal with this issue which is reproductive and would under our education system be included in our teaching of the process. I will note that 34.7% of my nations most recent census count were noter as clones. I myself am a 14th generation clone.


1)The Republic of Teruchev does not feel that the UN needs to busy itself with such matters; there are countless sex instruction manuals readily available to interested parties.

I feel differently as the UN is a meeting point for nations to learn to live with each other.. To do that we Propose things that brings us closer together without loosing out individualities. Yet we learn to respect each other not fear somebody different.


2)Teruchev is opposed to the goal advanced by certain member states of using the UN as social engineer. This was never the intention of a world governing body and, despite the noble concerns of this camp, should not be pursued.


The current resolution only URGES nations to do something you seem to be already doing better than might be required if it was so. Thus how can you want it repealed.. As surely you noted the one in here that more or less wanted to 'make it stronger'... I fear what 'stronger might be'.. Ban man-man relations and make it just man-woman, or something worse ban sex for anything other than as a process of reproduction and teach it only to show how to do it for effective reproduction. This would take from your program as well as my nations programs, should they 'make it stronger'..
The current resolution in effect adds a step before they can do that. Thus making it easy for 'certian member states' to do just what you fear they might..

George Warden
Chief Justice Garne
Advisor Zeldon

When it comes to sex, students need to learn about the consequences, etc. involved Students as young as 7th grade need to take it so they know how to stay safe when they get older Some schools (by law) are required to teach it as part of their agenda

There are many movies that focus on that topic in school I even took it in 7th and 8th grade, so I know what I'm talking about

I disagree.

Kill the color - just....ew. Color corrected

When it comes to sex, students need to learn about the consequences, etc. involved. Students as young as 7th grade need to take it so they know how to stay safe when they get older.

Amongst other things, yes. You are only discussing protection and STDs. Sex Ed deals with a lot more topics than that

Some schools (by law) are required to teach it as part of their agenda

Yeah - that's RL. Some schools are required because the states/countries they live in require them to. After all, that's where laws originate from. This resolution is asking for all nations/states to mandate the teaching of Sex Ed.

There are many movies that focus on that topic in school. I even took it in 7th and 8th grade, so I know what I'm talking about

Um....sure. I took Sex Ed in Grades 5, 7, 8, 9, and 11 and a the odd personal project and I would still claim that I don't know enough to hide my arguments behind the "I know what I'm talking about" statement. If your argument is logically explained, people will listen. If your argument needs to be believed on the basis that you know what you're talking about, people will ignore you. You are basically asking us to put faith in your argument. That said, in your 5 sentances, the first 2 have been stated as opinions several times over throughout the various debates on this resolution (including by myself). The other 3....it's like telling a blind man he can't see.

Those two sentances you have as opinions are nothing more than that: opinions. There is no substance to them, there is nothing in them except, really, a statement. It isn't even an argument. You stated what. Now you need to state the why - and that is how you win arguments.

I disagree.

*wonders who you are speaking to

I agree. Or do I disagree with the disagreement and then agree with the original post or am I agreeing with....gah

Um.....these white walls are rather fluffy.... but I don't like the coat those people that work here like to put on me at times.

His statement "I know what I'm talking about".

Perhaps harshly, I disagreed.

The current resolution only URGES nations to do something[.] [Y]ou seem to be already doing better than might be required if it was so. Thus how can you want it repealed..

Thank you, Garnilorn, and others, for your comments.

In regards to the remarks quoted above, it would seem redundant to explain further. Teruchev does not support the use of the UN in a social engineering capacity. Teruchev already has in place a superior sex education program. Thus, why would our nation want to be saddled with another layer of bureaucracy that is both redundant and intrusive?

Steve Perry
President
Republic of Teruchev

Thank you, Garnilorn, and others, for your comments.

In regards to the remarks quoted above, it would seem redundant to explain further. Teruchev does not support the use of the UN in a social engineering capacity. Teruchev already has in place a superior sex education program. Thus, why would our nation want to be saddled with another layer of bureaucracy that is both redundant and intrusive?

Steve Perry
President
Republic of Teruchev

If you sex Ed program is even better than the UN's, that's great. But there are many nations that have no sex ed program, and those are the ones this resolution was for. I note people like the Eternal Kawaii and New Communist that debated extensively against the resolution believing that it was the duty of the family. These are the people we are trying to promote it to.

As the Sex Education Act mandates nothing, we feel that it is unecessary to move for a repeal.

If any of the 10,048 member nations which approved this resolution feel that the Commonwealth of Simonovastan's existing sex education programs are lacking and wish to educate us in the areas of pleasure in reproduction, they are welcome to provide Simonovans with foreign experts (at their nation's expense), provided such experts go through the proper immigration channels (and receive the requisite barcodes) and pass a thorough medical exam.

Thank you, Simonovastan and Forgottenlands, for your comments.

Simonovostan, in regards to your remarks that the Sex Education Act does not mandate anything, you are absolutely correct. However, it must be noted that the Republic of Teruchev never called for the repeal of said Act to be replaced with nothing in its place; you may recall several posts ago I noted my ultimate objective on this initiative was to work with interested parties, including the Act's author and co-editors, to come to a new agreement on this matter.

Speaking of, Forgottenlands, your comments have given me an idea. Would you be adverse to a reworded Sex Education Act that under "Urges", instead of beseeching "all" nations, is nuanced to acknowledge the thousands of nations like mine that do have adequate sex education programs?

Steve Perry
President
Republic of Teruchev

Simonovostan, in regards to your remarks that the Sex Education Act does not mandate anything, you are absolutely correct.

That is precisely the reason why we like this resolution and don't want it to be repealed; compliance is voluntary, and isn't costing Simonovans a dime. As far as resolutions go, this one is mild.

A worse resolution would involve the purchase of UN-approved textbooks or a required minimum number of classroom hours, which would be expensive. Unless, of course, other UN member nations feel strongly enough about this issue to grant Simonovastan a bit of monetary aid. ;)

In many ways, I think this resolution does go on the list as something that could be improved with a rewording and expansion. We could certainly add this to the wishlist for a replacement (along with focus on biological process and relationship building - yes, I know about your feelings regarding the latter LAE).

The Most Serene Republic of Love and esterel is the author of the sex ed act and had recognized publicly that a teaching and encouragement of relationship building and long term relashionship was missing in our resolution

=> so, we will of course support a repeal, only in the case there is a proposition next with exactly the same content + teaching and encouragement of relationship building and long term relashionship

The Most Serene Republic of Love and esterel is the author of the sex ed act and had recognized publicly that a teaching and encouragement of relationship building and long term relashionship was missing in our resolution

That should not be part of sex education. As far as the Groot Gouda government is concerned, people can shag around whatever they want; it's up to them. We do not want to patronize our capable and intelligent citizens by telling them how to lead their life.

We do not want to patronize our capable and intelligent citizens by telling them how to lead their life.

Exactly. Whether they pay for their nookie on the street with cash or go to dinner and a movie first makes no difference to Simonvans.

Morning after feelings and cuddling don't matter so long as our citizen-subjects show up to work on time, anyway.

Thank you, everyone, for furthering the discussion.

In regards to the addition of education about relationship building, I would tend to agree with the latter two posts. This would expand the social engineering aspect that Teruchev is on record as opposing.

Our nation feels it is arrogant and patronizing at best to impose the beliefs of one nation onto another. This UN should be concerning itself with humanitarian and global peace issues, including broadening the dialogue between countries. Lecturing less "progressive" nations in regards to the most private human affairs does not merit the UN's time or attention.

In our experience nations have come to a stage of enlightenment from internal torment, not external pressures. The Republic of Teruchev still believes in individual initiative; a top-down structure only breeds resentment and disobedience.

The efforts of Love and esterel and Forgottenlands to use any repeal effort to return with a more intrusive resolution would be seen in bad faith by Teruchev and would be opposed at every stage of its progress. Compromise can only be reached with two or more willing parties.

Steve Perry
President
Republic of Teruchev

Personally I rather liked the original resolution, thinking that it was as detailed as possible, without making it into two messy resolutions, piling their stats on top of eachother. I will respectfully vote against the repeal.
Spoon Savers

I was actually surprised that you even came to LAE and myself for input. It seemed fairly obvious from the start that you felt this was beyond the UN's scope of concern. LAE and I are, for various reasons of our own, still in support of the intent behind it, though we each feel that it has some flaws that we'd like to fill (though we disagree in how they should be filled.... LAE being much more respectful of sovereignty than myself). As such, we'd only see a repeal as a chance to improve this resolution, not as a chance to remove it completely.

I was actually surprised that you even came to LAE and myself for input.

LAE being much more respectful of sovereignty than myself). As such, we'd only see a repeal as a chance to improve this resolution, not as a chance to remove it completely.


In regards to the first statement, Forgottenlands will be pleased to note that the Republic of Teruchev does not believe unilateralism is the best way to proceed, and is respectful of the process, including the involvement of the chief players on this issue.

As far as the second statement quoted above goes, well, there appears to be an impasse here. Anyone want to throw their hat into the ring and suggest what can be done regarding this disparity?

Steve Perry
President
Republic of Teruchev

DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS RELEASE


The Republic of Teruchev has concluded that the Consultation Phase is now complete, and more concrete steps are to be taken on this initiative. President Perry has initiated an extensive dialogue with all stakeholders and believes the time has come to move ahead, in the interest of all those who have lent support to Teruchev throughout this discussion. Please watch for this proposal to appear in the very near future.

Department of Foreign Affairs - United Nations
Republic of Teruchev

bugger
Groot Gouda brings up a very good point. The Sex Education act completely ignored buggering!
How shameful.

I'll vote to repeal ANY UN resolution in which the UN has involved itself in national affairs, and especially if that resolution stoops so low as to advise individuals. The one exception would be when a nation or region was committing an direct and seriously harmful offense against other nation(s).

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