NationStates Jolt Archive

I, speaking for the proud people of Doroes, strongly support this plan of action. A more environmentally friendly form of electricity could usher in a new age of technology and prosperity for this world and would go down in the textbooks as the greatest feat this generation of leaders every faced and defeated. If Doroes is accepted in to the United Nations we will vote for this improvement, and hope all other countries do as well.

Axis Nova, we wish a military alliance with you. We will provide the distraction for your attack by moving our fleet into a position that prevents sunlight from reaching Earth. While the Earth UN nations are distracted with trying to dislodge us from our position before their pitiful power supplies are drained, you will likely be free to invade as you please. Once they realize what is going on, you will see a division in their ranks, with some members trying to prevent you from invading them while others try to get us to move before they collapse into anarchy. With the division, the distraction, and their rapidly-draining power supplies, victory will be short and sweet.

All we wish is fertile land to inhabit and support a growing population on. Preferably, enough to support about a billion people or so.

Done! There will be more than enough UN nations for even our most greedy desires so we have no problems with this.

As for technology, I plan to let no nation within my dominion have anything more complex than farming tools and simple iron and bronze melee weapons for repelling nasty wildlife. Gunpowder weapons, of course, will be right out.

And, of course, the only transportation will be via beasts of burden...

...the greatest feat this generation of leaders every faced...

Indeed. I don't think there has ever been such a thorough attempt to bring about the collapse of modern civilization with a single document.

Boreal Tundra must vote against this resolution.

During winter, the amount of sunlight available in higher latitudes is far from sufficient to maintain even substinence power requirments. even during summer, it is likely that solar power would require augmentation from other methods, many of which will be unavailable due to funding being forced into solar systems.

If the proposal is not defeated now, nor repealed within a very short time, Boreal Tundra will have no choice but to withdraw from the UN. This is indeed, the proverbial straw, latest in a bale of foolish and/or poorly thought out resolutions that have come to pass through the UN.

Done! There will be more than enough UN nations for even our most greedy desires so we have no problems with this.

As for technology, I plan to let no nation within my dominion have anything more complex than farming tools and simple iron and bronze melee weapons for repelling nasty wildlife. Gunpowder weapons, of course, will be right out.

And, of course, the only transportation will be via beasts of burden...

Hmm. I do not forsee anybody in my territory needing to be provided with tools or other such. Those not smart enough to flee will simply be organlegged, their bodies sold as spare parts and genetic material for our own experiments in biological advancement. Any unsuitable people or organs will simply be recycled into food for the carnivores we intend to train as security animals or, if in the right health, tissue samples for disease and nanite experimentations.

They're not slaves. Just not citizens, either.

The Duke would like to thank The Dominioin of the Machine Spirit for taking the time to point him in the right direction (for the Duke has precious little time to read a thirty-page discussion in its entirety, what with the significant time requirement for grooming and maintenance of his prodigious mustache). The Duke admits that his earlier statement was made in haste, due to his fondness for the concepts of orbital solar collectors and the Type I Dyson Sphere. Upon further contemplation, it is obvious that land-based solar collection is impractical as a means for supplying even a large fraction of the world's energy requirements. The Duke has changed his vote to reflect this.

I think theres one important point: solar panels AREN'T that environmental friendly as they seem - in terms of today's standatrd of technics.
They lack because of one point: you need ultra-pure silicon to produce them - a very expensive method, that requires high amounts of energy!!!!
Considering this, nowerdays solar cell need over their whole lifetime (they still survive for about 10 years) more energy and more money to produce them than they supply.
Okay, this may be otherwise for regions with a 12 hours hot and burning shining sun every day, but every average lightet nation will have these solar cells more as a environmental symbol (because they look clean, which theya aren't - see above).

;) on this subject i have some knowledge- that the fact that green house gas effect is in itself a NATURAL process: we f**k it up by fossil fuels use.

sonal panels on its own will not reduce pollution- they actually become a waste after expiring, so what the point of the extreme amount of energy put into the production of these things with a 10 yr garente! wind farms are cheaper and last longer.

if we diversed renewable energy along with solar panels- f.fuel use would- stress on would- be reduced. - ie those with rivers have tidal barragies etc. and wind farms.

Though the UN does not see the social side of things- we would also need to apply a legislation to change our social habits. Especially in well off countries. those nations might have a throw away attitude: which is costing valuable energy resources.

And i definatly think those in higher latitude should be extempt from this- due to low sunlight time.

I believe that this is rediculous. I mean, what happens in winter when there's less sunlight. What happens on cloudy days? What happens at night, or to those closer to the north/south poles? What happens to those FT people living on space stations out near Pluto?

This is too expensive and inefficient. Forget it.

No fossil fuels after 10 years.

Is urainium a fossil fuel?

No problems here that I can see.

And lets not forget 10 years of every UN nation improving both solar panels and renewable energy sources, plus the escape clause based on wealth (not low wealth) and this is an excelent resolution.

Also note that solar panels was not defined. A skylight provides energy in that it reduces lighting costs.

Anyone *****ing at this resolution hasn't been in the UN for any decent length of time otherwised they'd have learned to exploit the loopholes by now.

Votes For: 6,828

Votes Against: 3,957

It's going to be passed. Deal with it.

No fossil fuels after 10 years.

Is urainium a fossil fuel?

No problems here that I can see.

And lets not forget 10 years of every UN nation improving both solar panels and renewable energy sources, plus the escape clause based on wealth (not low wealth) and this is an excelent resolution.

Also note that solar panels was not defined. A skylight provides energy in that it reduces lighting costs.

Anyone *****ing at this resolution hasn't been in the UN for any decent length of time otherwised they'd have learned to exploit the loopholes by now.

Votes For: 6,828

Votes Against: 3,957

It's going to be passed. Deal with it.

It is of course possible for the majority of countries to use uranium. The escape clause would be used by the majority ---> what is the use of a resolution that cannot be applied to the majority?

What loopholes are you talking about?

Votes For: 6,828

Votes Against: 3,957

It's going to be passed. Deal with it.

Not unless the remaining 3000 votes, vote against :D

There's a lot of votes still out there. Only 2 of the largest 20 voting blocks have voted yet.

Whereas the nation of New Reman is supportive of solar panel technology, I don't think that it is advanced and perfected enough to be made into such a largescale source of energy. It's going to take a very large array of solar panels to run factories and things of that nature. Quite simply, whereas the intent IS good, it's just unrealistic. Thus, it has gotten my negative vote. However, I do encourage the nations of the world to continue looking into alternate energy sources, and to continue to perfect solar panel technology.

I like the principles of this one, but I'm voting against it because it is impractical.
For starters 10 years isn't long enough.

For seconds, the issue says "all fossil fuels". Well, what about for aeroplanes?
What if I want to travel? It says "Affected - all businesses". Airlines are a business, too.
And any nation with an army can kiss that goodbye, also.

What about farmers? To the best of my knowledge, tractors still run on petrol, and farming is one of the biggest and most important industries in the world.

So, as much as I, myself, am pro a clean-green environment (I live in, and love, New Zealand!) and, ordinarily, would vote for this, this resolution needs ADJUSTMENT. I'm voting AGAINST.

No fossil fuels to be burned!?? How stupid can you get...

No fossil fuels. That means, no bonfires at National Celebrations, no burning of waste for energy, no chestnuts roasting on an open fire, no burning of garden waste, no campfires for the scouts and no cosy nights in in front of the fire.

I'm all for the PROMOTION of solar panels, but not the complete usage of them. In some place you can have no sun for weeks on end, what are you suposed to do then?

This proposal was obviously written by some one in a hot and sunny climate. (and heatstroke one may wonder)

No fossil fuels. That means, no bonfires at National Celebrations, no burning of waste for energy, no chestnuts roasting on an open fire, no burning of garden waste, no campfires for the scouts and no cosy nights in in front of the fire.

Hem- hem.

Bonfires can take place using ordinary wood.
Burning of waste can take place with normal fire - no fossil fuels required.
Chestnuts, as per the song, do not need fossil fuels to roast, in the old days we roasted them just fine with some good wood and fire (Not that I lived in the old days but I'd like to.)
Garden waste - like waste above.
Campfires like every other fire mentione above.

It's not burning that is outlawed by this resolution it's fossil fuel burning.

On behalf of the people of Lazy days, I thank the world body for the opportunity for thorough discussion and exchange of ideas on this important topic.

It has become clear to us that the best interests of the people of this country and this world are served by voting against the current resolution. Improving the environment is a goal worthy of financial and technical support the world over. However, this particular approach is unnecessarily drastic in its effects.

Solar power is a useful form of energy generation, and overuse of fossil fuels causes a variety of problems. That calls for modest changes, though, not a fundamental alteration of the way society functions.

No fossil fuels after 10 years.

Is urainium a fossil fuel?

No problems here that I can see.

And lets not forget 10 years of every UN nation improving both solar panels and renewable energy sources, plus the escape clause based on wealth (not low wealth) and this is an excelent resolution.

Also note that solar panels was not defined. A skylight provides energy in that it reduces lighting costs.

Anyone *****ing at this resolution hasn't been in the UN for any decent length of time otherwised they'd have learned to exploit the loopholes by now.

Votes For: 6,828

Votes Against: 3,957

It's going to be passed. Deal with it.

My feelings as well. Exploiting loopholes are the very soul of UN gamemanship. :p A resolution gets passed you dont like, Eff 'em and make an endrun around it. Its like a chess match. And its one of the few reasons I stay a UN member. :D
-The Evil Conservative Empire of the Palentine

It is of course possible for the majority of countries to use uranium. The escape clause would be used by the majority ---> what is the use of a resolution that cannot be applied to the majority?

What loopholes are you talking about?

Check out Ateelatay's post on page 32,(the first one on the page). :D

Excelsior,
Sen Horatio Sulla
The Palentine

What about nations where they do not get sunlight for entire days at a time?

With around 7000(for) and 4000(Against), I must say that with only about 1000 votes left it seems that my resolution will pass.

As it looks, this looks as if it may pass so we might as well get ramped up to repeal it. You know it should be repealed if the person who made the bill doesn't believe in all of it.

It's over . Let's make sure it's gonna be repealed ASAP.

It's over . Let's make sure it's gonna be repealed ASAP.
What are you talking about? The voting doesn't end until tommorrow.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

As it looks, this looks as if it may pass so we might as well get ramped up to repeal it. You know it should be repealed if the person who made the bill doesn't believe in all of it.

A repeal is in progress. I'm helping with it. I'm making a newer, better version of this resolution which will be up for debate by the whole forum. But I don't 'not believe in it', I'll jump out a window if people assume I'm against it again. I simply realise it can be improved, nothing more - nothing less.


What are you talking about? The voting doesn't end until tommorrow.


He means there's no way this resolution will fail, even all the feeders can't push it back.

It is of course possible for the majority of countries to use uranium. The escape clause would be used by the majority ---> what is the use of a resolution that cannot be applied to the majority?

What loopholes are you talking about?

How, pray tell, do you plan to use uranium? You need oil to manufacture the tools neccesary to build a nuclear power plant, as well as more oil to synthesize the lubricants used in many, many miles of machinery and pipelines.

the next resolution should be to disband all militaries, permanently ground all planes, give all citizens bicycles and return us to a time equivalent to that just before world war 1.

Sounds crazy, huh? But this resolution could have us halfway there already. It just doesn't make good economic or governmental sense.

Therefore I say no to this resolution.

I would appreciate all Delegate approvals if you like the proposal. Voting ends Tuesday 30th.

Thanks ;)
Starcra.

This resolution might have missed wind farms and hydraulic power.

This resolution might have missed wind farms and hydraulic power.

And to say the least, I approved it.

Clearly and sadly, there appears to be a lot of geo-political ignorance in the UN. Most people can only see the surface of something and don't bother to even halfass think it through. I'm afraid if this passes, New Reman's place in the United Nations may be short lived.

<yawn>

Why wait? Allemande quit the U.N. when it passed a resolution demanding that anyone sick with a contagious disease be imprisoned and made blood tests illegal.

No power, no health care - but the U.N. nations refuse to give up their weapons. I guess the model is a kinder, gentler North Korea.

We'll provide assistance for any nation devastated by this resolution (within the limits of our resources) - but only after the nation in question quits the U.N.

After you guys get through clearing the ACRES of land it's going to take for the solar panels needed to run A SINGULAR factory...come back and tell me if it was enviromentally friendly.

There's not a SINGLE nation that's going to be able to fulfill the requirements of this crap legislation, so I guess we should go ahead and start at the top and review all of the necessary time tables that'll be required. This is rediculous, and it saddens me that ANYONE would vote for this. Clearly some of you aren't using your heads.

New Reman has left the United Nations. You guys have fun ruining your counties.

I cant believe their going to pass this, this resolution is the most dangerous thing to our enviroment right now :mad:. Yet another sensible nation Strongly Opposes This. Nevertheless I will obey the decisons of the U.N.

I'm new to this whole site, but dammit are you all frakin crazy!?!

There is no way you can get people to follow this crazy idea. I call it crazy because implementing this would destroy economies all arcoss the world. I am all for eco friendly power sources, but not at the expense of losing jobs.

I think it's embarrassing that this motion is passing based merely on the idealism on the concept and with little or no thought involved in how it will get done or the what is really being asked of countries with significant business interests.

That fact that the resolution limits a country to ONE TYPE of renewable resource is an insult. What about the multitude of other types of resources? A country should be able to pick which best suits them.

Clearly the Solar Power Cell Manufacturer's Lobby has a heavy hand in this type of resolution as they are really the only one's that have anything to gain from this claptrap.

I strongly recommend that delegates *defeat* this measure in favor of one that is more even-keeled and offers multiple choices.

If the repeal doesnt pass my people are going to have a splitting argument over this, it will probably tear my region apart and force us to move. *sigh* better go look for a new place to live. :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :sniper:

Ummm, I have a stupid question:

If this resolution is passed, how will the UN continue to provide humanitarian aid to disaster areas? Solar powered C-130s? LMAO. Whoever wrote this resolution needs to be graduated from college and spend a few years in the real world.

Sheesh.

AK_ID

Here, Here

There is a principle in contract law, known as "force majeure". It means basically that a party to a contract cannot be expected to live up to that contract if it is physically impossible for it to do so, or if the attempt will necessarily be self-destructive.

Now, it appears to be the consensus of nearly every member present here that this proposal is impossible to comply with--the attempt would utterly ruin a nation's economy. Therefore, we can expect the entire NSUN to declare "force majeure" and refuse to comply with it.

Our question is, what precedent does this set? Our nation would gladly declare "force majeure" against a number of NSUN resolutions currently on the books. If this resolution passes and stands, who will argue against Our non-compliance?

There is a principle in contract law, known as "force majeure". It means basically that a party to a contract cannot be expected to live up to that contract if it is physically impossible for it to do so, or if the attempt will necessarily be self-destructive.

Now, it appears to be the consensus of nearly every member present here that this proposal is impossible to comply with--the attempt would utterly ruin a nation's economy. Therefore, we can expect the entire NSUN to declare "force majeure" and refuse to comply with it.

Our question is, what precident does this set? Our nation would gladly declare "force majeure" against a number of NSUN resolutions currently on the books. If this resolution passes and stands, who will argue against Our non-compliance?

It's IMPOSSIBLE to refuse to comply. Compliance is mandatory regardless of the laws of physics or any paradox that results from compliance.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to refuse to comply. Compliance is mandatory regardless of the laws of physics or any paradox that results from compliance.

Noone can command the impossible, though.

Noone can command the impossible, though.

The Nationstates UN can.

I cant believe their going to pass this, this resolution is the most dangerous thing to our enviroment right now :mad:. Yet another sensible nation Strongly Opposes This. Nevertheless I will obey the decisons of the U.N.

Slytopia refuses to accept the decision and will leave the UN. Our country's largest industry is the automotive industry, the only way Slytopia sees to not be devastated is to withdraw from the UN. A country not a member does not have to follow the rules of the UN.

Man, you are all a bunch of sissy babies. The UN can be like the stock markets, your faith in them may rise and fall. But the only way to get ahead in the game is to stick with it, second guessing only brings to disaster. Arg, it must be a bunch of fourth graders writing this, it sounds so childish.

Grow up,
Spoon Savers

Simple: fuels that once were fossils. That is the farthest you can go for pushing the boundaries (and I think that'll give you coal to play with, but oil and gas are out).

Has the UN defined either of those parts?

The nation of Caimex is alarmed that the discusion going on about this resolution does not represent how the voting is going. Caimex strongly believes that this resolution shold be voted AGAINST. If you vote FOR, please read through the many replies in this thread and you will be convinced that the resolution should not be implemnted at all.

Stop the madness, vote AGAINST "Promotion of Solar Panels".

-Delegation of CAIMEX

With all due respect to the numbskulls who concoct such inane and insane proposals as this silly solar power fiasco, The Wild West chooses unanimously to vote NO.

I'm sorry, folks, for my lack of debating skills, but as a regional delegate for a part of the globe that prefers individual freedom, I simply can't comprehend HOW a proposal such as this one made it out of the sixth-grade classroom where it was conceived.

Anyone who wishes to join forces with my region in repealing the proposal, please e-mail me. Also, if anyone has already started the repeal process, please let me know.

Thanks so much,

AK_ID

When will this bill be passed or failed? I am new sorry.

OCak, it says at the bottom of the current resolution at vote. Thus, Saturday, September 17. :)

And yes, I must beg that everyone vote against this resolution. I highly recommend that people that voted for it pull their votes and vote "no" to save us time and effort on repealing it. For, obviously, it will have to be repealed immediately...

Everybody should just bloody vote on it and get it ova wit befo we all die o old age.

Scamptica Prime has resigned from the UN in disgust due to that this proposal is winnig by over 200 votes at this time and date and also will support any repeal.

Dastardly Stench rises against the (pffft!) rank inequity of this measure.
The mere concept that any single energy source is somehow superior to all
others is (pffffft!) a load of hot air! The best location for solar cells is on an
orbiting platform, and it would incur (pffffft!) sky-high costs to put them here.

Furthermore, the ubiquity of this measure--and Dastardly Stench is aware of
its putrid (pffffft!) blasting away of our member nations' sovereignty--would
lead to costs so enormous that hardly a single member nation could (pffffft!)
push out the currency necessary to fund them.

We call for the (pffffft!) deflation of this measure, and insist that other our
nation and others be allowed to pursue a balanced energy policy, utilizing the
resources that they posess as their (pfffffft!) nature calls them to.

We also reserve the right to (pfffft!) dissipate from the U.N. if this measure
should pass and to continue to supply the world from our abundant
reserves of (pffffft!!!) natrual gas.

We have decided that this is a important resolution to the environment. We have voted FOR and ask other nations to do the same. It is for the sake of our enviromental conservation programs. :gundge:

yes but having solar panels as our only sorce of power is unpracticle. Please vote against resolution.

Dear Leader and I have been involved in a number of bilaterals over this issue and will now tell you all that I for one have withdrawn my positive vote and entered a Nay vote. My earlier comments still stand. My Nation will still believe in the requirement for alternative sources of power and have enacted local laws to promote these. I will carefully examine all future proposals. I urge you all to do the same.

The Ambassador Plenipiontary

We have decided that this is a important resolution to the environment. We have voted FOR and ask other nations to do the same. It is for the sake of our enviromental conservation programs.
How's cutting down every rainforest to make room for solar panels environmental?

The "No" votes are catching up, but I'm afraid it's not going to make it in time.

This is gonna be a close one...Come on time.. :gundge:

Samsonica supports the increased use of solar panels but to expect fossil fuel usage to be stopped in ten years is unrealistic - therefore I voted no, and would urge anyone else reading this to do the same.

Our Region is against that kind of decision made by the UN.
This is a local problem, and of no concern for the UN, we vote AGAINST.

It is obvious that this completely insane resolution will pass. My nation will enjoy the lower costs of petro fuels while your economies suffer from this junk science. /Resign

I would direct all those looking for a constructive alternative to this madness to go to:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=444553

Please support both the repeal and this replacement. We speak as a nation that used to support the resolution being debated here.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

How's cutting down every rainforest to make room for solar panels environmental?

Don't invent, this resolution did not say you had to cut down your rainforests.

Don't invent, this resolution did not say you had to cut down your rainforests.

It doesn't matter what the resolution said. Its consequences extend far beyond what is explicit. The resolution will destroy the economies of developing nations (many of whom already are struggling to pay for the educational, healthcare, and past environmental programs this body has mandated), put millions of petroleum industry employees out of work, further raise the cost of living for billions of poor citizens who can ill afford it, and Rookierookie may well have to cut down its rainforests to make room for large industrial solar panels if it actually wants to be able to generate sufficient power to run their nation.

Do not try to downplay your nation's failure to consider the probable consequences of such ludicrous legislation. Much as I appreciate that you have "seen the light" and begun the process of drafting a repeal of this resolution, that won't make up for the mistake your nation made in writing this proposal and pushing it to quorum. The rest of the blame for this fiasco (should the resolution pass) will fall on those UN member states that chose to vote in favor of the resolution, and well it should.

Minister of UN Affairs
Edward Jones

This is madness. When eveyone saw the resolution they voted FOR, but when they came to the forums and discussed it they changed it to AGAINST. The only reason the resolution will pass is because of the innactives that voted FOR and never camne to the forums.

Stop the madness before its too late!

Do not try to downplay your nation's failure to consider the probable consequences of such ludicrous legislation. Much as I appreciate that you have "seen the light" and begun the process of drafting a repeal of this resolution, that won't make up for the mistake your nation made in writing this proposal and pushing it to quorum. The rest of the blame for this fiasco (should the resolution pass) will fall on those UN member states that chose to vote in favor of the resolution, and well it should.

We urge the esteemed delegate from Texan Hotrodders not to be too harsh on the author of this resolution. They've done the NSUN a great service, by demonstrating how easy it is to get absurd and destructive resolutions passed. Let this be an object lesson to the delegates assembled on why they should think twice before voting.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9648131#post9648131

[The Empire of Forgottenlands and its UN representation ask all members who are considering resignation from the UN over what looks like will be resolution 122 of the NSUN to reconsider their decision. Our plea is not based upon a wish to see the effects of this resolution put forth, but to improve the chances that it can be removed from the books.

[We acknowledge that there will undoubtedly be a small setback in any economies of the nations who stay, but I note that only clauses 1 and 2 need to be followed immediately, and #2 can have the funds rediverted upon the repeal of this resolution. #1 only needs your nation to begin the production of solar panels. We have a full 10 years to meet the requirements of the resolution, and if you have even a small industry producing solar panels and a small portion of funds diverted to Environmental projects, you are in full compliance for the next 10 years. This will give us more than enough time to remove this resolution from the books. Already, several campaigns are underway and drafting has begun on repeals for this resolution. Even the resolution proposer has indicated he/she will work at repealing it if it is not repealed by Christmas. There is still hope to save the UN before the economic crisis hits!]And so it comes full circle: After spending months and months of imposing your values on all member states, flinging down and dancing upon cultural sensitivity and the rights and sovereignty of independent nations, now comes a resolution so bad that even the UN's most ardent defenders fear the damaging effects it will likely have on their economies and domestic affairs. Not only that, they tremble at the mass exodus of nations they consider useful in lodging a possible repeal, and have the nerve to demand that they stay.

That a resolution even the author himself has disavowed as poorly written, ill-conceived and based on plainly incorrect science will likely pass this august body serves as a testament to a UN majority so excessive, corrupted and uninformed it threatens to envelop itself. We recall Texan Hotrodders' foreseeing the possible effects of the present majority imposing its values without care on all member states: He envisaged a scenario (forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430907) where a new majority assumed power, resentful at the previous majority's presumptuousness and eager to issue repeals and new legislation, not so much to improve the state of affairs at the UN, but to play tit-for-tat and anger the old guard. Of course, his scenario assumed the absence of the national sovereignty movement of which we are proudly part -- but the scenario unfolding before us now, that of the current majority destroying itself, is just as delicious: Is this the "evolution" Canada6 spoke so arrogantly of in the previous debate?

We can think of no sweeter irony than for this resolution currently at vote to pass, and frankly we are so incensed at the UN (and we note with chagrin that our nation, which was teetering on the edge of chaos for the past few weeks, plunged into official Anarchy status (www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=omigodtheykilledkenny) after the last resolution went through) that we are poised to join the Eternal Kawaii's (forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9640168#post9640168) excellent punitive stance (forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9641021#post9641021) on this vote: In the words of the immortal Homer Simpson (www.chuonthis.com/blog/archives/2002-12-10%20-%20Crazy%20Homer.jpg), "It's spanking season, and I got a HANKERING for some SPANKERING!"

Therefore, the Federal Republic, in order to teach its fellow member states some respect for national sovereignty, will reverse itself on this issue and cast its 18 votes IN FAVOR. We are fully prepared to withstand the blow this law likely will inflict on our economy, because it really is powerful enough to survive the effects of one errant UN vote. What's more, we care not if member states are in compliance in two months, 10 years, 20 years or 500 years, for we will be in defiance from Day One. As already stated, we reside in the Antarctic and see the sun only six months out of the year, so replacing fossil fuels with a solar-energy regime is simply not feasible.

We may well support a repeal, however, once we decide you blokes have learned your lesson. :p

In the meantime, if the region of Renaissance had any sense at all, it would strip Starcra II of its endorsements and revoke its power to propose any future legislation.

Thank you,
John Riley
UN Ambassador

We urge the esteemed delegate from Texan Hotrodders not to be too harsh on the author of this resolution. They've done the NSUN a great service, by demonstrating how easy it is to get absurd and destructive resolutions passed. Let this be an object lesson to the delegates assembled on why they should think twice before voting.

We agree with The Eternal Kawaii, and wish to add, Its about time! :p

Sen. Horatio Sulla
UN Ambassador
The Evil Conservative Empire of the Palentine

We the Evil Conservative Empire of the Palentine, also wish to add our support to the esteemed ambassador, and regional UN delegate John Riley. The Emperor Himself has notified me after he had a conference with his advisors, and a call from President Fernanda of The Federal Republic of Ohmigodtheykilledkenny, to change our vote and vote for the resolution. Have fun with the repeal. I'm off to take the Thessadorian Ambassador to lunch at Primanti Brothers. :D

Excelsior,
Sen Horatio Sulla
The Palentine

We urge the esteemed delegate from Texan Hotrodders not to be too harsh on the author of this resolution. They've done the NSUN a great service, by demonstrating how easy it is to get absurd and destructive resolutions passed. Let this be an object lesson to the delegates assembled on why they should think twice before voting.

The nation of Caimex is in complete agreement!

If this insane proposal passes and is not repealed, industry will die. Billions of working class folks will lose their jobs, and there will be no means to deliver aid to them. Nations will revert to the Stone Age and die. Farmers will revert to using horses and mules (oh where have all the oxen gone?). The entire world will plunge into a novum Dark Age that may well last a thousand years.

A sane alternative to this proposal would be to allow natural market forces and ecologics to determine which fuels are most efficient in each nation or region. For example, hydro-power is ideal (and cheap) in states blessed with lots of rivers, but would be entirely impractical in the Sahara (where solar power just might be the ticket).

Also, remember that world crude oil and coal supplies won't last forever, and ALL nations will eventually be forced by nature to adopt whatever fuels are most practical in their regions.

VOTE NO!

AK_ID

Honoured members

The government of Telidia once again strongly urges members to vote against this resolution and not let personal feelings among delegates influence a decision that should be the correct one for their peoples. In our humble opinion we as delegates come here to debate issues to the betterment of our citizens. What we are not here to do, is use those votes we have been entrusted with as a tool to squabble amongst ourselves. That, even more than this resolution, which we all agree, should be voted against, shines an example of what this body should NOT be about and simply detracts from the matter at hand.

What I would respectfully and humbly request from delegates here is to vote with the interests of the people they represent in the forefront of their minds. Whether that means voting for do so, if it means voting against do so.

Let our votes stand as a testament to intelligent discourse between members of this body, not as an example of a tit for tat game because of personal likes or dislikes. Our own government’s position is well known and strongly AGAINST since we truly and with complete humility believe that to be the right decision for member states. Looking over the debate we note many if not all members states having taken part in this debate agree that position to be the correct one.

Most respectfully
Lydia Cornwall, UN Ambassador
Office of UN Relations, Dept for Foreign Affairs
HM Government of Telidia

In the meantime, if the region of Renaissance had any sense at all, it would strip Starcra II of its endorsements and revoke its power to propose any future legislation.

Leave my region out of this, they've not bothered you.

Besides, as much as I find it amusing that you voted 'For' I think it's a stupid move somewhat due to the fact that until the repeal is posted, the compliance ministry couldn't give two cookies whether you live in a polar region or not. You just comply.

Honestly.

This resoltion is absurd! You cannot just implemnet solar panels everywhere. Different countries have different needs. With the passing of this resolution the nation of Caimex will resign from the UN and enjoy economical freedom while the nations in the UN hunt for food and live in huts with econmical chaos.

In a way the resolution will teach us as many have said. It will teach us that the NSUN is capable of passing such unrealistic resolutions.

Stop the madness, vote AGAINST.

- Caimex

Before this continues for too long, Feltoria encourages the nations which are voting for this resolution "to teach other nations about the importance of national sovereignty" that, with the deadline approaching and the against side only about 1500 votes behind, it is still (marginally) possible that it can be defeated now.

We understand the message you wish to send, but there is a better way: with the vote drawing to a close, and with the difference closing, it is possible that we can defeat it without having to repeal it. Would this not be a better way to show your strong disapproval? To kill this version, on the floor, for all to see?

Besides, this way, we know how much support we have for a repeal if we do fail to vote it down.

In either case, it seems best to defeat it here, and to repeal only if we lose here. To vote for it only hampers our ability to repeal it.

And anyway, if you vote 'For' many nations will leave the UN, meaning there will be less available to support the repeal and the replacement that comes after.

Well it looks like the promotion of solar panels has just been passed. Whenever the repeal proposal is posted, I will approve it. Lets hope we can get enough votes and repeal the promotion of solar panels.

RL : Regardless, of the in game side effects you'll have to excuse me for feeling a little content that it's passed. Onwards to the repeal and replacement!

On the precipice of this insane resolution passing the people of Tokhuah is announcing its resignation from the United Nations. While we are firmly against this resolution for the good of free people everywhere we make this decision purely on the grounds of protecting our citizen's free will which we must always safeguard first.

We are not our brother's keeper, and to that end it is not our responsibility to insure a repeal is passed at a later date. In fact, if people are stupid enough to pass this utterly fascist legislation then they deserve to live under it's tyranny. A repeal in our minds is also too soft a solution. The only way to make people wake up and really feel the anguish their hideous lack of foresight has caused is to abandon them in the institution where they stand.

Furthermore, the nation of Starcra II's comments in this thread have exhibited a complete lack of actual understanding of the situation they have created. They have precipitated the most catastrophic Flower Fascist scenario ever to wrack the free world and they make comments such as "I really do not care if it passes." This blasé response is a shocking display of a total disregard for human life and existence. Leaders who exhibit such a crass disregard for human life under the guise of liberal ideals such as Starcra II are worse than overt fascists in the free thinking environmentally conscious minds of the people of Tokhuah.

In one fell swoop the world changes like a spinning idiot box. And while member nations get swallowed into the quagmire the nation of Tokhuah removes itself from the GOO. WARNING: If the United Nations dares to attempt to bring Tokhuah into compliance with this Legislation we will decapitate their emissaries, roast their corpses over an open fire, eat their sweet meat, and make shrunken heads that we will sell to tourists of the countries they originated from. We will also write Pulitzer Prize winning books about it that will sell for $24.95 at Boarders and never print paperback versions, mwhahahahaha!

They have precipitated the most catastrophic Flower Fascist scenario ever to wrack the free world and they make comments such as "I really do not care if it passes." This blasé response is a shocking display of a total disregard for human life and existence. Leaders who exhibit such a crass disregard for human life under the guise of liberal ideals such as Starcra II are worse than overt fascists in the free thinking environmentally conscious minds of the people of Tokhuah.

Excuse me! I did not say I did not care, I said that it didn't bother me since I realised the faults, was working on a repeal and working on a replacement.

Spin it as you like... It is obvious you have been successful at getting people to believe in things that go against their actual self-interest so you might as well keep pushing that strategy after the carnage, eh? :p

RL : Regardless, of the in game side effects you'll have to excuse me for feeling a little content that it's passed. Onwards to the repeal and replacement!

You are content that you have initiated legislation that could precipitate the worst catastrophe in history for the world's nations?!?! Your blasé attitude is a classic example of an ideal overwhelming a person's compassion. You are a wolf in sheep’s clothing, nay, you are a MONSTER!

Spin it as you like... It is obvious you have been successful at getting people to believe in things that go against their actual self-interest so you might as well keep pushing that strategy after the carnage, eh? :p

Your blasé attitude is a classic example of an ideal overwhelming a person's compassion. You are a wolf in sheep’s clothing!

And you're clearly a wally trying to be smart. 'Spinning it as I like' is not the issue, there is a difference between 'not caring' because I just gave up, and 'not being bothered' what happens to this version since I am contributing to a repeal and writing up a replacements.

You are content that you have initiated legislation that could precipitate the worst catastrophe in history for the world's nations?!?!

Oh please, it's just a game! Don't be such a drama queen. And as you could see, that was my RL talking, not my RP. Different reactions.

The government of Telidia once again strongly urges members to vote against this resolution and not let personal feelings among delegates influence a decision that should be the correct one for their peoples. In our humble opinion we as delegates come here to debate issues to the betterment of our citizens. What we are not here to do, is use those votes we have been entrusted with as a tool to squabble amongst ourselves. That, even more than this resolution, which we all agree, should be voted against, shines an example of what this body should NOT be about and simply detracts from the matter at hand.

What I would respectfully and humbly request from delegates here is to vote with the interests of the people they represent in the forefront of their minds. Whether that means voting for do so, if it means voting against do so.Madame Cornwall, we did consult with our regional partners (one of which has already voiced its support on this very fourm) before casting our votes, and we concluded that it was in the best interests of our region to send a message, that this is what results when a power-mad UN majority recklessly claws away at national sovereignty with nary a thought for the consequences. Moreover, we did not change our votes until we were certain the bill would pass, assuring our position was purely symbolic. We actually drafted the speech we gave yesterday morning, and waited 24 hours before posting it.

Besides, as much as I find it amusing that you voted 'For' I think it's a stupid move somewhat due to the fact that until the repeal is posted, the compliance ministry couldn't give two cookies whether you live in a polar region or not. You just comply.

Honestly.Really? And what technological marvel allows gameplay gnomes to sneak into the realm of RP? Is it solar-powered?

Our stats may change as a result of the UN's vote today, but for purposes of roleplaying, there is no way on Earth, in heaven, hell or any nether-region of the universe yet to be conceived by the mind of Man that a nation with year-round access to solar rays can comply with this resolution, let alone a six-month-midnight Antarctic nation like ours.

Indeed. Let us move onto the repeal and replacement of this version. No use crying over spilled milk, eh.

Oh please, it's just a game! Don't be such a drama queen. And as you could see, that was my RL talking, not my RP. Different reactions.

Word smithing and such...

Spin spin spin

Wally, I am NOT, and have never been so you do not know what you are talking about... no wait, this is yet another-

Spin spin spin

Doing something stupid and then saying it is just a game-

Spin spin spin

You should really start by apologizing, not making comments that you are satisfied that the Legislation has passed.

I do need to realize that arguing this point with you is pointless because it brings me to your level.

If you argue with a fool at their level you will always loose because they are more familiar with the territory.

I leave you to you pitiful egotistical Law. Do not bother responding because I am done with this thread. I say this knowing your kind will not be able to resist responding... ;)

Indeed. Let us move onto the repeal and replacement of this version. No use crying over spilled milk, eh.

Agreed.

Oh and Tokhuah, your kind are just not worth responding to. And I know you're reading this so - Get a respectful vocabulary.

Well, Compliance Ministry came by and my economy and tax rate are still the same so unless the compliance ministry works every day to change stats accordingly, I don't think we have to worry as much as you thought we did.

You are content that you have initiated legislation that could precipitate the worst catastrophe in history for the world's nations?!?! Your blasé attitude is a classic example of an ideal overwhelming a person's compassion. You are a wolf in sheep’s clothing, nay, you are a MONSTER!


In a game that has served 1.3 million accounts, currently holds 130k members including 30k UN members and 2k Delegates, to have your name on the face of one of the 131 resolutions that have ever been passed (including the ones that were deleted for various reasons) would give someone something to be proud of. Even if this resolution goes down in history as the most impracticable and idealistic resolution to have ever been passed, it still is something to be proud of. Heck, Starcra II even holds a record!

Please, try some civility next time.

I'm calling for a boycott. These bleeding heart liberals are ruining the reputation and structure of the UN.

In a game that has served 1.3 million accounts, currently holds 130k members including 30k UN members and 2k Delegates, to have your name on the face of one of the 131 resolutions that have ever been passed (including the ones that were deleted for various reasons) would give someone something to be proud of. Even if this resolution goes down in history as the most impracticable and idealistic resolution to have ever been passed, it still is something to be proud of. Heck, Starcra II even holds a record!

Please, try some civility next time.

Thank you Forgottenlands, that was exactly what I was refering to :). And what record is it that I hold?

Cheers ;)
Starcra

Speaking as a small nation that should have been horrendously affected by this, I must say it had little effect on my stats. So it moved some funding around. Did not really have an appreciable affect.

Speaking as a small nation that should have been horrendously affected by this, I must say it had little effect on my stats. So it moved some funding around. Did not really have an appreciable affect.
I wasn't sure if stats changed at this update or the next one. If they've already changed then the impact was negligible.

The Principality of Babitdom is a new country. We joined the U.N thinking that this body was full of free thinking intelligent bodies. However it would appear that the U.N is full of petty minded individuals who do not care about the rest of the world and simply think of themselves exactly like the dictatorship we fought so hard to free ourselves from.

We will not tolerate any region or nation implementing there ill thought out and oppresive ideas on our nation.

To this end we hereby issue the order signed by our esteemed ruler Prince Babit ordering the expulsion of all members of U.N compliance team from the borders of Babitdom. We also do hereby order the halting of all ongoing programs and financial spending to bring us into compliance with this and other U.N resolutions.

The Principality also hereby declares its intention to refuse to vote on any upcoming resolutions except for the repeal of this resolution. Babitdom would like to make it clear to the rest of the world that this stance will remain in posistion until such time as the repeal is voted for or against and then our esteemed ruler will once more look at our posistion with the U.N

Signed this day
Prince Babit
Esteemed Ruler of the Principality of Babitdom
Member of TNP
UN Member

The Principality of Babitdom is a new country. We joined the U.N thinking that this body was full of free thinking intelligent bodies. However it would appear that the U.N is full of petty minded individuals who do not care about the rest of the world and simply think of themselves exactly like the dictatorship we fought so hard to free ourselves from.

Welcome to the club! :)

Thank you Forgottenlands, that was exactly what I was refering to :). And what record is it that I hold?

Cheers ;)
Starcra

I'm saying if it does go down as the most impractical and idealistic resolution in history, you hold that record.

Bolshikstan would like to remind Babitdom:
OOC(Out-Of-Character):
That RolePlay does not affect GAME ENGINE mechanics. So UN teams are in the nation of Babitdom as I write this and checking for compliance whether you like it or not. You are by membership in the UN in compliance whether you like it or not. You can roleplay all you want but, the resolution will effect your nation on a game mechanics level no matter what you RP.

I admit, I hummed and hawed over this for a long time. There are points agianst and points for this. While the short term disadvantages are almost extreme I feel they can be weathered. We would not be able to maintain the lifestyle that has become the norm for the western world as the needs of energy for certain tasks and industries must take the place of more frivilous uses.

Perhaps it is just my views of humainty but I feel that unless we force ourselves to take the harder road now. We as a speices tend not to change our ways till given no other course. I hope that the interval between the implimentation of this resolution and it's eventual repeal1 will force a increase in developments which might make the use of alternative power sources more attractive.

However it is much easier and affordable for us currently to continue on as we are rathe than think farther down the road. More is spent in trying to get the msot of our current finite source than in trying to improve those that while currently inefficent or unreliable, are nearly infinate by comparison. We really should be doing more to make sure other sources are viable while we still have these fuels in abundance to fall back on.

The truth is, fossel fuels will run out. How far off you think that might be depends a bit on your point of view. At last I heard the estimates were between 30-50 years assuming a rate of increase continuing at the same rate as we have now. The other truth is that most of the world currently depends on some form of fossil fuel as a power source with only a small portion being supplied by other sources. If we were truely being responsable it would be the other way around.

We have to take the long view on this issue. I'm not just talking ten years or even fifty. I'm talking centuries. I am a firm believer in the saying That we do not inherit the world from our parents, we borrow it from children. I want to know that how ever many times great grand children where we ahve taken care of things before it became a issue we could not turn our backs on.

A country managed to make it so that men went form envying the birds to stepping on the moon in about fifty years. Surely this collection of many nations can advance the development of alternate power in ten to the point that use some fossel fuels is not seen as an evil by the masses.

1.) Yes, I do see it eventually being repealed as we have no way of amending it for a more forgiving proposal. It would however have to be a very well considered and well worded attempt at an appeal. (OOC: Best of luck to all those who like a challange)

Bolshikstan would like to remind Babitdom:
OOC(Out-Of-Character):
That RolePlay does not affect GAME ENGINE mechanics. So UN teams are in the nation of Babitdom as I write this and checking for compliance whether you like it or not. You are by membership in the UN in compliance whether you like it or not. You can roleplay all you want but, the resolution will effect your nation on a game mechanics level no matter what you RP.
O.O.C
On a Game Engine level i realise that and am already working on some RP to account for that :)

Speaking as a small nation that should have been horrendously affected by this, I must say it had little effect on my stats. So it moved some funding around. Did not really have an appreciable affect.

OOC, this is actually part of the problem. The resolution as written should be utterly devastating to the economies of NSUN nations. However, the actual game-play-mechanics change is probably no greater than any other resolution. It is this disconnect between what we propose to do and what actually happens that can lead people to regard compliance with UN resolutions as trivial. With no truly adverse effects on game-play, where is the motivation to ensure that proposed resolutions are reasonable?

To this end we hereby issue the order signed by our esteemed ruler Prince Babit ordering the expulsion of all members of U.N compliance team from the borders of Babitdom. We also do hereby order the halting of all ongoing programs and financial spending to bring us into compliance with this and other U.N resolutions.Do send your Compliance Gnomes this way, Your Highness: Ever since we instituted our shoot-on-sight policy for any UN official caught violating our sovereign borders, ministry officials have taken to changing our nation's stats via remote device, and consequently our elite gnome-hunting penguin commando squads have been restless for action for some time now. Our most despicable friend Unjubbi has suggested disguising our penguins as gnomes and sending them out on kamikaze missions to known gnome hangouts outside the region, but we're just not insured for that sort of thing.

This "approved" resolution is null and void per the UN's rules regarding proposals:

Okay, so you hate capitalism. That's nice, but you can't ban it. Just like you can't ban communism, socialism, democracy, dictatorships, conservatives, liberals, christians, atheist, or any other political, religous, or economic ideology.

The UN is per its own rules prohibited from banning an economic ideology, even if that economic ideology includes the burning of fossile fuels. The Solar resolution is an illegal instrusion into national sovereignty, and a violation of UN law. I'm going to go barbecue a dolphin in protest.

AK_ID

Do send your Compliance Gnomes this way, Your Highness: Ever since we instituted our shoot-on-sight policy for any UN official caught violating our sovereign borders, ministry officials have taken to changing our nation's stats via remote device, and consequently our elite gnome-hunting penguin commando squads have been restless for action for some time now. Our most despicable friend Unjubbi has suggested disguising our penguins as gnomes and sending them out on kamikaze missions to known gnome hangouts outside the region, but we're just not insured for that sort of thing.

While dispatching the Compliance Gnomes to anywhere other than back to the U.N. may be considered an act of war by the U.N. I would happily allow your elite gnome-hunting penguin commando's to have a temporary base within the borders of Babitdom. As all Compliance Gnomes have been issued with an order for them to leave and any Gnomes disobeying this order can no longer be considered to be here legally, under our present legal system no action could be brought against you for any loss of life or property caused to the said illegal Compliance Gnomes. Please feel free to inform our Immigration and Defence advisor if you intend to take us up on this offer.

More from the UN rules on proposals (and HOW did this one slip past the Gods who be?):

Bloody Stupid

Every now and then a Proposal crops up that, for lack of a more tactful description, is stupid. This is clearly a judgment call, but if you're going to mandate that all cars be pink, you're gonna have a dead proposal on your hands. This includes things that are unworthy of UN consideration (such as mandating allowances for children who eat their vegetables).

Ambassador Riley dispatches an immediate cell phone call to Defense Secretary Charlie Valentine ....

"Yo, Charlie: Get those lazy, good-for-nothing penguins on the next air transport to Babitdom! We're going gnome-hunting!! Yeee-haw!!!!"

More from the UN rules on proposals (and HOW did this one slip past the Gods who be?):

Bloody Stupid

Every now and then a Proposal crops up that, for lack of a more tactful description, is stupid. This is clearly a judgment call, but if you're going to mandate that all cars be pink, you're gonna have a dead proposal on your hands. This includes things that are unworthy of UN consideration (such as mandating allowances for children who eat their vegetables).

1) Mods do not and cannot nullify a resolution after it has been passed. Once it has hit the floor, only the admins can touch it, and the admins don't touch resolutions
2) It is not an ideological ban. It might make limitations to what you can do, but it doesn't remove an actual ideology - destroy society, remove an industry, etc, it does. But it doesn't actually ban an ideology
3) Bloody Stupid.....as much as from a practical aspect it might be, that's not what they mean by bloody stupid. This proposal, within its own contents, was accurate with exception to one line (ozone depletion), even if it was perhaps deceptive and idealistic, based upon false data, and hopelessly shortsighted, the actual proposal itself is accurate. Bloody stupid are ones like "Oh, we can make a single solar panel to power the entire planet". This isn't merely impractical and destructive, it's downright impossible. Bloody Stupid is just that, bloody stupid. In fact, I would consider it a poor display of democracy if this proposal hadn't gone to vote from the endorsement count, because (while idealistic), it was a valid belief. Like all beliefs, there are significant flaws, and some have a lot more severe ones that others, but that does not invalidate it.

Note: not a mod. #1 is definately true, but I'm not the one who deletes the proposals so Fris's and Hack's interpretations of the rules might be different than mine. However, I'm 99.9% sure on #2 and 90-95% sure on #3. These are irrelevant, however, compared to #1.

In the meantime, if the region of Renaissance had any sense at all, it would strip Starcra II of its endorsements and revoke its power to propose any future legislationHear, hear!

I'm glad it passed.


It gives the Repealers something else to freak about.

How constructive of you... :rolleyes:

In the meantime, ladies and gentlemen, we suggest you begin construction of a fancy governor's mansion for the local rulers Axis Nova will be dispatching to your nations in about 14 NS years. :)

In the meantime, ladies and gentlemen, we suggest you begin construction of a fancy governor's mansion for the local rulers Axis Nova will be dispatching to your nations in about 14 NS years. :)
You realise, of course, that some of us are puppets of non-UN nations. No "fancy governor's mansion" will be forthcoming in Yeldan UN Mission. :)

You realise, of course, that some of us are puppets of non-UN nations. No "fancy governor's mansion" will be forthcoming in Yeldan UN Mission. :)

*checks your non-UN nation's stats*

Actually, I foresee one coming in both Yeldan UN Mission -AND- in The Free Land of Yeldan Nature Preserve.



:D

*checks your non-UN nation's stats*

Actually, I foresee one coming in both Yeldan UN Mission -AND- in The Free Land of Yeldan Nature Preserve.



:D
Ah, but those are both puppets. What about The People's Democratic Republic of Yelda? Or some of the larger, more well armed puppets? :D

*checks your non-UN nation's stats*
Actually, we compare quite favourably (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=yelda&nation2=Axis+Nova&nation3=&nation4=&nation5=&nation6=). In fact, we spend more than twice what you do on defence. :)

Feh! You only get a better economy due to having regional trading partners :p

Feh! You only get a better economy due to having regional trading partners :p
Yep. And only one of them is in the UN, so the bio weapons export business is booming! :D

OOC: I like what you're doing in the "Ladies and gentlemen of the UN!" thread by the way, and agree wholeheartedly.

This "approved" resolution is null and void per the UN's rules regarding proposals:

Okay, so you hate capitalism. That's nice, but you can't ban it. Just like you can't ban communism, socialism, democracy, dictatorships, conservatives, liberals, christians, atheist, or any other political, religous, or economic ideology.

The UN is per its own rules prohibited from banning an economic ideology, even if that economic ideology includes the burning of fossile fuels. The Solar resolution is an illegal instrusion into national sovereignty, and a violation of UN law. I'm going to go barbecue a dolphin in protest.

AK_ID

That sounds like it'll help to (pffft!) raise a big stink!

You think you could let us (pffft!) squeeze in by the fire and help
(pffft!) light it?

After all, the (pffft!) air of protest is so thin when there's only
one protester!

OOC:

Dastardly Stench is in the magical realm, where magic is real, and the realm
affects all D.S. citizens, causing them to unconsciously make plays on words
of flatulence in their speach.