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Hydrogen Powered Vehicles

A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.

Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: Automobile Manufacturing
Proposed by: Kibombwe

Description: We, the people of Kibombwe, propose that every nation should start developing hydrogen powered cars. We have polluted the air for too long -- it needs to stop. By passing this resolution we will be able to accompish these three things.

1. Less acid rain. Acid rain a problem that we feel should be stopped. It is especially a problem in the Northeast corner of the U.S.A. The Northeast is a place rich in historical buildings which acid rain damages. We passed a "PROTECT HISTORICAL SITES." This would only furthermore protect historical sites.

2. We wouldn't have to use as much oil. Oil is a nonrenewable resource that we only have so much of. By passing this resolution we would only prolong the time that we have oil on earth.

3. We would have cleaner air. Does anyone remember the days when "fresh air" was actually fresh? When it was a pure thing, without chemicals and other junk mixing in the air. With cleaner air, everyone would live longer, happier lives.

I hope that anyone and everyone who reads this agrees with us. PLEASE MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE!!!

Votes For: 12,533
Votes Against: 3,280

Implemented: Mon Jun 16 2003



This was submitted before, but due to some grammar issues, as well as things not being specific enough, I stopped campaigning for approvals, and decided that it needed to be re-worded if it were to be passed.
Repeal "Hydrogen Powered Vehicles"

A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution.

Description: UN Resolution #18: Hydrogen Powered Vehicles (Category: Environmental; Industry Affected: Automobile Manufacturing) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: NOTING that the previous UN Resolution was too specific in its requirements.

REALIZING the importance of renewable energy as a source of power for the future.

ALSO NOTING that electric, solar-powered, hydrogen, biodiesel (product made from plant oil or animal fat), alcohols, and many other types of methods are available for research, to fuel vehicles.

REAFFIRMING the need to repeal "Hydrogen Powered Vehicles” in order to re-address important issues regarding the specifics of the research, while promoting a more broad perspective of the promotion of energy-saving vehicles.

It is proposed that this resolution be struck out, in order to develop more general and more accepting resolution to the United Nations community regarding alternative sources at powering vehicles.

It's a good idea, however, do you think that it's an absolute necessity for there to be no fuel powered cars at all?

It's a good idea, however, do you think that it's an absolute necessity for there to be no fuel powered cars at all?

I think you missed the entire point of the proposal. I'm looking to repeal Hydrogen Powered Vehicles simply because of the fact that there are multiple fules/resources that could be researched, such as "electric, solar-powered, hydrogen, biodiesel (product made from plant oil or animal fat), alcohols, and many other types of methods" (stated in the proposal), instead of just focusing on one solution. The proposal is too specific, in stating that we should only promote the research of hydrogen power.

My government actually supports this repeal of an environmental resolution, because we feel that the arguments presented stick entirely to an analysis of the resolution being called into question. Furthermore, we feel the clause, "REAFFIRMING the need to repeal "Hydrogen Powered Vehicles” in order to re-address important issues regarding the specifics of the research, while promoting a more broad perspective of the promotion of energy-saving vehicles." is exactly the type of concept my government was promoting with its Mitigation of Large Reservoirs resolution -- i.e. using the UN to promote general ideas related to sustainability.

Yes, please repeal this. It is insane that my people should be expected to develop hydrogen powered cars when we all ride bikes, which are much cleaner and safer.

A good proposal. It has our support.

Lorelei M. Ahlmann
Ambassador-at-Large

I think you missed the entire point of the proposal. I'm looking to repeal Hydrogen Powered Vehicles simply because of the fact that there are multiple fules/resources that could be researched, such as "electric, solar-powered, hydrogen, biodiesel (product made from plant oil or animal fat), alcohols, and many other types of methods" (stated in the proposal), instead of just focusing on one solution. The proposal is too specific, in stating that we should only promote the research of hydrogen power.
Well in that case, I am interested with your proposal and would like

We are in favour of this resolution. Why should we have to make hydrodgen fuelled cars when we have a perfectly good roller-coaster magnetic public transport thingy?

We are in favour of this resolution. Why should we have to make hydrodgen fuelled cars when we have a perfectly good roller-coaster magnetic public transport thingy?

Can we be a bit more sensible about this please?

Our office supports a repeal of the resolution in question.

Deputy Minister of UN Affairs
Thomas Smith

Yes, I'd support a repeal.


I haven't actually got anything else to say...
*promises to be more active in future*

I'm gonna see if I can get any more support for it on here before I re-submit it.

Wow I made a repeal of that one a long time back on my old name

I'm gonna see if I can get any more support for it on here before I re-submit it.
We'll support it from here on out. In case we forget to directly post our support.

Pollard Lytle
Junior Assistant to UN Representative
Powerhungry Chipmunks

As I've stated before, I support a repeal of this resolution.

You can count on seeing our approval on the repeal.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Definitely supporting. And not just because you're a mod :).

Would it be appropriate for my to submit my UN proposal now? Any last comments?

Would it be appropriate for my to submit my UN proposal now? Any last comments?

Good luck. You'll need it.

Minister of UN Affairs
Edward Jones

One last bump to the top, before I submit the proposal.

Submitted. Any additional aid from supporters would be appreciated. If you're up for it, telegram me for the details. :)

OOC: I'm just working on NSWiki material. Though I'm about to crash tonight, if you have a form letter / telegram campaign letter you'd like to send and a list of UN Delegates to contact, I'd be happy to fire off some telegrams on your behalf. :)

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Repeal "Hydrogen Powered Vehicles"


A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution.

Description: UN Resolution #18: Hydrogen Powered Vehicles (Category: Environmental; Industry Affected: Automobile Manufacturing) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: NOTING that the previous UN Resolution was too specific in its requirements.

REALIZING the importance of renewable energy as a source of power for the future.

"ALSO NOTING that electric, solar-powered, hydrogen, biodiesel (product made from plant oil or animal fat), alcohols, and many other types of methods are available for research, to fuel vehicles.

PROPOSING that research for alternative sources in the development of environmentally safe vehicles is produced.

REAFFIRMING the need to repeal "Hydrogen Powered Vehicles” in order to re-address important issues regarding the specifics of the research, while promoting a more broad perspective of the promotion of energy-saving vehicles.

It is proposed that this resolution be struck out, in order to develop more general and more accepting resolution to the United Nations community regarding alternative sources at powering vehicles."

Certainly I would agree here with the honourable delegate for Mikitivity that the resolution in question is far to specific, especially dealing with such a complex and contested field as that of future alternate energies. The uses of Ethanol and other such alcoholic fuels are particularly interesting. I direct those interested to the following address:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_as_a_fuel

In addition, it should be noted that hydrogen fuels are extremely problematic to produce and use. Fuel cells using hydrogen are made from platinum group metals, extremely expensive and quite rare. A great number have a very short service life. Furthermore, a hydrogen cells fuel efficiency is undermined by the low density of the hydrogen, meaning a large tank is needed to store it for use in a car. Finally, pure hydrogen is rare on this planet and requires enormous amounts of energy to extract and much pollution, (this is known as the 'Production Problem').

May the blessings of our otters be upon you all.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

I remember that cleaner fresher air....back in the 70's....WHEN THERE WAS LEADED GASOLINE...not gonna buy it...find another reason. I like acid rain. It cleans the wax build-up off of my gas guzzling SUV :)

Missed the minimum amount of appovals, so I'm bumping this back up for more debate, before I submit it a third time.

Missed the minimum amount of appovals, so I'm bumping this back up for more debate, before I submit it a third time.

How many did you get this last time?

How many did you get this last time?

Something around 46-47 approvals. :(

This was submitted before, but due to some grammar issues, as well as things not being specific enough, I stopped campaigning for approvals, and decided that it needed to be re-worded if it were to be passed.

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PROPOSING that research for alternative sources in the development of environmentally safe vehicles is produced.

Is that legal in a repeal? I would think 'PROPOSING' could be considered an active legislative clause...

Repeals

Yes, you can Repeal, provided you use the Repeal function. If you make your own Proposal in some other category and calling it a Repeal, it's going to be deleted. Remember, Repeals can only repeal the existing resolution. You can provide reasons for repeal, but not any new provisions or laws.

(My emphasis.)

That's the crucial line. It depends how seriously one takes the proposition. It's largely just a suggestion, which seems fair enough, but it is a call for specific action.

It's not my place to make this judgement: however, I don't plan on reporting it for being illegal at this stage.

It's not my place to make this judgement: however, I don't plan on reporting it for being illegal at this stage.

We had no intention of reporting it either, it was more a quick note of concern for consideration before the next resubmission was attempted.

Oh, whoops. Sorry, I hadn't noticed the post dates. Yes, I agree, it will need to be reworded.

(No wonder I couldn't find the thing in the proposal queue.)

Oh, whoops. Sorry, I hadn't noticed the post dates. Yes, I agree, it will need to be reworded.

(No wonder I couldn't find the thing in the proposal queue.)

Edited out. Thanks for pointing that out. It flew over my head before.

I will support this repeal, for the simple fact that the original hydrogen resolution was FAR too limiting -- much as was the recent solar panel resolution. I believe my region will back me on this decision.

AK_ID
The Wild West