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More than 500 UK scientists and doctors have pledged their support for animal testing to aid medical research. The Principality of Athens and Midlands firmly backs them for generations to come.

We Believe that Animal Testing is the only way to combat disease and cancers, and that Animal rights activists are slowing down the vital work to find cures.

Please support our proposal and end this terrible suffering.

Thank you.

First, the real-life actions of UK medical professionals is irrelevant to NS. Second, we don't need specific UN injunctions against animal rights protestors - acts such as assualt, destruction of property and theft should be illegal anyway, and we refuse to see specific additional punishments for particular causes or a ban on peaceful protests.

Whilst we disagree vehemently with the deluded protestors who would prioritise the lives and comfort of a small number of animals over those of millions of sentient beings, we respect their rights to make their views heard - and if they resort to violence and criminality, they should be dealt with in the same way as any other criminals.

We'd like to see your proposal text, but suspect that we will be unable to support it, as _Myopia_ will not accept any punishment for these protestors based on their cause.

I aggree with the above. At most I would support a ban on militant protest groups

I would vote for it as long as you recognize the rights of animal rights activist to still hold their opinions and express their views. However in my personal opinion the description is too short and vague, perhaps some elaboration and more specific details of what the act will actually do would help significantly.

More than 500 UK scientists and doctors have pledged their support for animal testing to aid medical research. The Principality of Athens and Midlands firmly backs them for generations to come.

We Believe that Animal Testing is the only way to combat disease and cancers, and that Animal rights activists are slowing down the vital work to find cures.

Please support our proposal and end this terrible suffering.

Thank you.
Err, what proposal would that be, exactly? I can't seem to find one on this subject.

I aggree with the above. At most I would support a ban on militant protest groups

We don't support a ban on groups, as some members of the group may well not be violent, and we are not prepared to make it a crime to sympathise with the use of violence. We'd prefer if individuals responsible for planning, facilitating and committing terrorist and criminal acts were dealt with. But that requires no legislation directed specifically at animal rights groups.

Err, what proposal would that be, exactly? I can't seem to find one on this subject.
This one.
Medical Intimidation Ban

A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.


Category: Moral Decency


Strength: Significant


Proposed by: Athens and Midlands

Description: The government of the Principality of Athens and Midlands is CONCERNED that staff and scientists related to animal testing on grounds of medical research are subject to intimidation and hate from animal rights activists.

The government of the Principality of Athens and Midlands BELIEVES that animal rights activists is slowing down their work, which could save lives.

The government of the Principality of Athens and Midlands BELIEVES that for some live-saving medicines, animal testing is the only way.

The government of the Principality of Athens and Midlands BELIEVES staff and scientists related to animal testing on grounds of medical research have the right to work without fear and intimidation.

The government of the Principality of Athens and Midlands PROPOSES that UN member nations have the right to ban any animal rights activists from their country if they threaten any staff related to medical research using animal testing.

The government of the Principality of Athens and Midlands ENCOURAGES animal rights organizations to use polite and sensible ways to voice their opinions. Politeness wins.

The government of the Principality of Athens and Midlands ENCOURAGES staff related to medical research to stand tall and continue working as normal, confident that this resolution will protect them, and in return, saving lives and creating cures for cancers.

Approvals: 4 (Athens and Midlands, Lodisia, Athradicon, New Hamilton)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 127 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Tue Aug 30 2005

The Protectorate of Yeldan UN Mission has not approved this proposal. [Approve]

We don't support a ban on groups, as some members of the group may well not be violent, and we are not prepared to make it a crime to sympathise with the use of violence. We'd prefer if individuals responsible for planning, facilitating and committing terrorist and criminal acts were dealt with. But that requires no legislation directed specifically at animal rights groups.

We are basically suggesting that some groups that are known to be militant to the point that they only use tactics such as bombings and Intimidation be outlawed as certain RL groups are such as Combat 18 and the more well known terrorist groups are. Really though that would probably be best introduced in a blanket anti-terror bill rather than in bits and pieces like this act which only targets certain kinds of groups.

I think your proposal may be illegal because you have branded the heck out of it. Not only is having your full nations name start every sentence annoying to read but I think it goes against this....

Branding

Limited branding is allowed. "Limited" means that you may list one co-author by nation name only. Example:

"Co-authored by The Most Glorious Hack"

Further branding will result in the Proposal being deleted. Don't list everyone who posted in the thread for your draft, don't list yourself, don't list your Minister Of Making Proposals, and don't post the 'pre-title' of the co-author (ie: "The Republic Of...").
which can be found in this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465)

We agree with the Honourable delegate of Tajiri_san. What is needed is an encompassing bill which bans all forms of terrorism, not just the eco. variety
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As already stated, the repetitive branding makes this both annoying and illegal.

PROPOSES that UN member nations have the right to ban any animal rights activists from their country if they threaten any staff related to medical research using animal testing.

These threats should not be treated differently to any other threats. It is inherently unjust that while the standard sentence for death threats might be, say, a 3 month prison sentence, or a certain fine, if you threaten someone for a particular reason you suddenly face a very different punishment - exile, which seems rather excessive.

Additionally, what you've written doesn't actually do what I think you're trying to do. Nations already have the right to impose exile as a sentence for whatever they like, because no UN resolution prohibits it.

ENCOURAGES animal rights organizations to use polite and sensible ways to voice their opinions. Politeness wins.

First, "polite and sensible" is not appropriate. To an ideologue who believes in the equivalence of human and animal lives, violence may well appear to be a sensible response. Don't forget, some of these people truly do view these labs in the same way that most people would view the Nazi concentration camps. It would be best to use less subjective words - I'd say "use non-violent means". And saying "politeness wins" is completely inappropriate in legislation, plus it gives the impression that if activists change their methods we will acquiesce to their demands - which certainly won't be happening.

As I have already stated, animal rights activists who commit criminal acts should not be treated any differently to anyone else committing those crimes.