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Ban all popups
A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.

Category: Moral Decency
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Palixia

Description: As it comes nessecary where people become dependent on the internet putting important information on it, their has always been a risk the people may steal it through annoyances such as pop-ups, spyware, adware or even just visiting websites, I hereby believe that we should ban all forms of Pop-ups.

I. Arrest of Pop-up senders
For the first section we should find out who the people sending the pop-ups, adware or spyware are and send them to a prison for 30 days on a count of fraud, if they repeat the sentence goes to 60 days and so on until they reace 240 days then they are taken care of by the country in whatever matter they please.

II. Safety of private information
For the second section I believe that computer manufacturers should produce a file that is password protected that people place private information such as tax info or morgage papers. This will protect people if their is any chance against a person 'hacking' into a computer

1. POP-UPS ARE BANNED FROM ALL COUNTRIES WORLDWIDE


Voting Ends: Sat Aug 27 2005


We all hate 'em...

Ban all popups
A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.

Category: Moral Decency
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Palixia

Mind if I make a few suggestions? I'm going to anyway, so I guess the question is if you'll listen to them or not. :D

Description: As it comes nessecary where people become dependent on the internet putting important information on it, their has always been a risk the people may steal it through annoyances such as pop-ups, spyware, adware or even just visiting websites, I hereby believe that we should ban all forms of Pop-ups.

Ok... first suggestion. Take out all first-person articles. Using "I" or "We" makes it sound as though it's just you or a small group enacting this law, when it will be the entire UN if it passes. I also think there's something you could do just to improve the way that sounds, but I don't really have any suggestions right now.

I. Arrest of Pop-up senders
For the first section we should find out who the people sending the pop-ups, adware or spyware are and send them to a prison for 30 days on a count of fraud, if they repeat the sentence goes to 60 days and so on until they reace 240 days then they are taken care of by the country in whatever matter they please.

Take out the bit in bold there. We know this is the first acting clause of your proposal - you don't need to state it. Also, is it really fraud these people are committing? Fraud is falsifying information to gain access or information you should not be entitled to. Pop-ups are just annoying, and are usually truthful, even if they don't tell the WHOLE truth. You could win a free IPod, even if the chances are one in a bazillion. And check your spelling before you submit.

II. Safety of private information
For the second section I believe that computer manufacturers should produce a file that is password protected that people place private information such as tax info or morgage papers. This will protect people if their is any chance against a person 'hacking' into a computer

Again, take out the bold bit, and check your spelling. While this is good idea, I think it's too specific to do much good. Hackers specialize in breaking through security encodings... passwords included. A good hacker will only be stopped for a few minutes by a single password. Here, it may be better to be a bit vague by saying something like "A system sufficently secured to prevent against the possible intrusion of hackers or other unauthorized access". It doesn't say exactly how it should be protected, but it does say that the company should do a dang good job in programming it.

1. POP-UPS ARE BANNED FROM ALL COUNTRIES WORLDWIDE

And here, we encounter one final problem. The UN only has jurisdiction over UN Members... so it can't ban pop-ups worldwide. Non-members can still annoy the heck out of anyone who visits any of their websites. You can say "Pop-ups are banned from all member states" but not "worldwide". It's technically illegal.

Good idea, but I think it still needs a bit more work.

Also, you're mandating prison sentences, and imposing on governments restrictions on their judicial systems. It might be better to simply declare it a criminal offence, and allow the nation the right to sentence offenders as they see fit.

Of course, since pop-ups are an international problem, some provision does admittedly need to be made for nations who ignore this, so maybe you can SUGGEST a standard minimum jail sentence.

Thanks, next time I'll make it different...

Heres an idea..

Instead of just banning pop-up's, why not go a little further into the dig on the advertising industry? I mean there are many UN countries that are poor living on chemical munitions dumps and eating dolphin meat... so why only try to pass something that even "half" of the UN members wouldnt even be able to enforce?

Try something that deals with all forms of advertising.
Like at only certain times of the day, or at certain periods may companies openly shill their products on TV... or
No advertising outdoors unless approved by "individual" government.

OOC: I live in Chicago. Trust me when I say if I saw that I wouldnt care if you went around collecting the French for "daycamp". I would approve it. Too many damn advertisements in this city. [/OOC]
Perhaps funding of advertising can be split into a "tax"? I mean seriously thats only wasted money. But Ive got great news.

Ive just saved a load of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico...

Try something that deals with all forms of advertising.
Like at only certain times of the day, or at certain periods may companies openly shill their products on TV... or
No advertising outdoors unless approved by "individual" government.
OOC: Agreed. All advertising is loathsome and irritating. But at least we have the ability to stop pop-ups. I haven't seen a pop-up in months, but I still see those damnable tv ads.



Perhaps funding of advertising can be split into a "tax"? I mean seriously thats only wasted money. But Ive got great news.


Ive just saved a load of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico...
GAAK! And thats one of my most favorite hated ones. You know, I must just be different than the rest of humanity. Advertisements have exactly the opposite of their intended affect on me. The VAST majority of advertisements cause me to NOT want to use their products.

If you don't like the pop-ups, don't go to the website. Such a resolution would only stifle innovation in the end and the issue can be resolved with a little user education. Wouldn't get my vote.

A ban on pop-ups is a violation of freedom of expression. If the owner of a website decides he wants pop-up advertising on his site, that's his business.

And you neglect to specify pop-up ads as well. Some websites use pop-up windows that have nothing to do with advertising as part of their proper functioning.

1) Full supporter of advertisement - including popups. While we still get more ads from larger companies, the smaller companies at least get heard - something that would be extraordinarily (if not impossible) for them to do without some form of advertising.
2) Myopia got the rest

1) Full supporter of advertisement - including popups. While we still get more ads from larger companies, the smaller companies at least get heard - something that would be extraordinarily (if not impossible) for them to do without some form of advertising.
2) Myopia got the rest
Fyi:

Wouldnt that only count for countries that choose an illegal "monopoly" on their corporations? I mean if such is the case like in my country we have nothing against corporations since they bow before the ideals of communism instead of cow-towing to capitalistisms.

Anyways all i'm saying is that viewpoint only works for those that agree with free-enterprise.

Well, I suppose I should note that I believe in a regulated enterprise (which also works just as well as free enterprise) instead of centralized economics.

This is a useless resolution simply because popup purveyors can simply host their stuff in a non-UN nation.

The spirit of the resolution is obvious, noble, and well intended! You just have some small issues to address.

Your definition of a pop-up is as weak is a 3-year-old stash. By this definition, all pop-ups, including those that are simply allowing a link to open in a new window, could be deemed illegal.

As has been mentioned, the enforcement of this resoultion would be extremely problematic, especially if you only are after those who deploy pop-ups. As has been said, these can be stored in a non-UN nation, and are untouchable.

1) Full supporter of advertisement - including popups. While we still get more ads from larger companies, the smaller companies at least get heard - something that would be extraordinarily (if not impossible) for them to do without some form of advertising.
Sounds almost as if you have some experience in the advertising industry. Do you?

Either way, I'm interested in whether you'd support some sort of advertisement subsidies/encouragement for smaller businesses. It's just something I thought about when reading this proposal. :)