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Anyone have a link? I'm told it's rather good, specifically with regard to evading unpopular resolutions. (Please don't get the idea I want to wank everything - even though the SEA is only an 'urging' resolution, my schools have chosen to introduce much of its programme to the education system.)

No one?

*shrug* I don't even remember DLE doing a guide to resolution interpretation. If I had seen that, I would have totally subscribed to that sucker right away. :D

Oh, ok then. I thought I remembered it from long ago. But nevermind.

I do remember her writing a guide, but can't remeber what it was about. Will try to find it and will edit this post if I do.

I do remember her writing a guide, but can't remeber what it was about. Will try to find it and will edit this post if I do.

DLE wrote a guide to arguments in the UN forum. That's the only one I know of.

Anyone have a link? I'm told it's rather good, specifically with regard to evading unpopular resolutions. (Please don't get the idea I want to wank everything - even though the SEA is only an 'urging' resolution, my schools have chosen to introduce much of its programme to the education system.)
Rather good? Well, not in my opinion. I felt it was basically just DLE's opinion on everything (how good x argument was, or how horrid y argument was), rather than an objective analysis. But I might be biased: repeated harrassment can do that to ya.

It's called "The DLE Guide to UN Arguements -- or, How Not to Get Flamed" (In other words, "how not to get flamed by DLE"...) http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423925


To my knowledge, this is the last activity of DLE http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429618

During the interim of DLE's forumban, DLE left: http://s6.invisionfree.com/UN_Old_Guard/index.php?showtopic=281.

DLE was supposed to be gone for only for a short time and could have returned by now. Those of us harrassed by DLE are wary of the return of a poster we consider a troll and realize that DLE's "return" could occur using a different nation. So, we're always on the lookout for DLE-like posters. Even today we have our suspicions about UN forum posters.

It's something like the "global communist conspiracy" except not communist, not global, and there's really no conspiring since DLE would be returning alone.

Yeah, this is actually crap. I remember it now - and being pissed at its spelling of 'arguement'. Well, thanks anyway - I must have got confused.

DLE was supposed to be gone for only for a short time and could have returned by now. Those of us harrassed by DLE are wary of the return of a poster we consider a troll and realize that DLE's "return" could occur using a different nation. So, we're always on the lookout for DLE-like posters. Even today we have our suspicions about UN forum posters.
DLE said on the UNOG board that she'd be gone about two months, this was in early July.
And I don't see why you need to continue to harp on about your perceived wrongs. Yes, DLE may have harassed you, but you gave just as good as you got. It should also be pointed out that a large number of people do not consider DLE to be a troll.

Yeah, this is actually crap. I remember it now - and being pissed at its spelling of 'arguement'. Well, thanks anyway - I must have got confused.

The guide really had no supporting facts, such as analyzing NationStates trends (of which there is plenty of data), and I personally would characterize it as poor quality.

Taking this back your question, I've never really come across a well-written document / guide on how to avoid resolutions.

Yes, ok, that's what I thought DLE's thread had been, but evidently not. Thanks all for helping out.

Yes, ok, that's what I thought DLE's thread had been, but evidently not. Thanks all for helping out.

I was looking at what you were doing for your nation's NSWiki entry, and personally I think you are going about this in an interesting way.

A great resource for examples of roleplaying really is in the heads of many of the players on IRC. I like the NSWiki crowd, so if you have mIRC on your machine, follow the directions for the #nationstates channel, but also visit #nswiki. NSWiki players take an interest in *documenting* other players activities in addition to their own ... and they should be somewhat helpful in finding a few good examples of roleplayed non-compliance or the like.

Another NSWiki option would be to search for text references to resolution names. "Gay Rights" or "Law of the Sea" might turn up text entries where a player has had their nation complain about those resolutions.

You can do the same thing using Jolt's search feature, but I have no idea how many posts you'll have to read. I will add that sometimes reading long threads can be tiring. For example, I got a bit tired of everybody talking about "sex" in general, but not providing examples in the transgendered equality act thread. It was OK, but 27 pages is a lot of material to read and summarize. :)

Now that info on the IRC is interesting. I like using it and do use it a lot for another site but have never been game to try it here. Mainly because when I checked out the thread on NS IRC there were heaps of channels listed and I just couldn't tell which ones are used and which ones aren't. There is nothing worse than entering a dead channel where only a few people are on and no-one talks.

While I know its off topic for this thread, can those who use IRC here please let us/me know which channels are the best ones to join and if there are any special rules ect associated with the IRC for this site. I'd love to give it a try here but am nervous about it without knowing what I'm letting myself in for :).

Now that info on the IRC is interesting. I like using it and do use it a lot for another site but have never been game to try it here. Mainly because when I checked out the thread on NS IRC there were heaps of channels listed and I just couldn't tell which ones are used and which ones aren't. There is nothing worse than entering a dead channel where only a few people are on and no-one talks.

While I know its off topic for this thread, can those who use IRC here please let us/me know which channels are the best ones to join and if there are any special rules ect associated with the IRC for this site. I'd love to give it a try here but am nervous about it without knowing what I'm letting myself in for :).

There are three channels I pop in and out of:

#nswiki
#nationstates
#unitednations

#nationstates has the largest number of people, but it is seems to focus more on roleplaying. UN discussions might be better directed to the other two rooms, which have fewer people.

Thanks for that. I may give it a try sometime very soon :).

DLE said on the UNOG board that she'd be gone about two months, this was in early July. Which thread I referenced to GruenbergAnd I don't see why you need to continue to harp on about your perceived wrongs. Yes, DLE may have harassed you, but you gave just as good as you got.But I'm not "continuing to harp" on perceived wrongs. First, in order to "continue" I would have had to have started. I’m pretty sure I haven’t. I have been very careful not to post in any thread concerning DLE's absence or in relation to DLE (the first departure/death thread or any later ones; I never posted my opinion of DLE's guide in that thread or any other thread even). I have, maybe, once before commented to anything related to DLE after the poster left most recently, and I kept a similar distance during DLE's first absence.

So, I believe this is the first time since DLE left I've even briefly mentioned my feelings on DLE's harassment. Beyond that, even when DLE was here, I tried hard to contain discussions on DLE to either direct correspondence with DLE or in moderation threads if I felt DLE had flamed me. Also, in my post (which was meant to summarize my perceptions of the general situation of the guide and the guide's maker to Gruenberg) I went very much out of my way to qualify my opinion as strictly my opinion.

Obviously, you're entitled to you own version of the past, or past and future players: that's your right. I welcome your expression that many did not consider DLE a troll (as according to journalistic principles: the more viewpoints, the more likely objectivity will be reached). Of course, I disagree that I "gave just as good as you got", especially after DLE's return. But, again, I'm not about to try to control your version of things. Feel how you want, say what you want, vote for the Dolphin Protection Act because you feel somehow it will irk me (?), I really don't care: I respect your right to do and say what you want.

But I stand by these subjective opinions I have submitted (this being the one time I’ve yet submitted these opinions), since I have submitted them strictly as subjective opinions. This is part of my right to express my opinion. I would greatly appreciate it if you respected my right to express my opinion as I am respecting and have previously respected yours.

Is it really necessary to OOCly kick another NS player when that player is away for an extended period of time? Honestly, that just strikes me as unnecessary. I found about half of what DLE said to be useful to me and (here's the shocking part) I ignored the rest! Some of her posts were quite entertaining, BTW.

However, seeing as the request in this thread has been fulfilled, I'm not sure why this thread is still active. Perhaps the thread initiator could request that it be locked if it's no longer necessary.

Is it really necessary to OOCly kick another NS player when that player is away for an extended period of time? Honestly, that just strikes me as unnecessary.

I strikes me as cowardly.

I strikes me as cowardly.

That could be another word to describe it, yes.

Look, PC, I probably went a bit over-the-top earlier. I was mainly responding to your accusation of DLE being a troll, something I don't agree with. My comment about 'giving as good as you got' was in realtion to the well-known arguments between the two of you, which I consider as being amongst the great personality clashes of the UN forum - along other such clashes as Mikitivity/DLE and Mik/Knootoss (Mik, Knoot, this is not meant to offend, and apologies if it does - but they were well-known arguments).

Feel how you want, say what you want, vote for the Dolphin Protection Act because you feel somehow it will irk me (?)
PC, this I just find snide. I apologised to you on the NSO board, and explained that it was just meant as a joke. Is there any need to bring it up again, when to all intents and purposes this topic is dead and buried?