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Hmm, here is my proposal. Please tell me what you think of it and anything it needs, etc.

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Category: Human Rights

Title: One way or another act.


The nation of Dinosaurtopia recognizes that many nations have laws/practices involving abortion and the executions of the condemmed. What is odd is that some nations can support one but not the other, although both invlove the taking of human life.

We propose that hypocrisy ends and that nations cannot support one with out supporting the other. Any nations that supports abortions should support executions, or not support either and vice versa.

We understand that there is a great difference between these two practices, but at their core, a human life is being terminated.

This proposal states that:
1) A nation must support both or not support both.
2) A nation can decide which path they choose.

Thank you for your time.

Strength: Significant
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Hmm, here is my proposal. Please tell me what you think of it and anything it needs, etc.

A process of rethinking the argument

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Category: Human Rights

Title: One way or another act.

"The black and white act". Never will get you any support

The nation of Dinosaurtopia

Branding, illegal. Always acknowledge yourself in first person, never third (mod ruling)

recognizes that many nations have laws/practices involving abortion and the executions of the condemmed. What is odd is that some nations can support one but not the other,

Like myself - and, well, most nations that oppose one of them (very rarely to people oppose both)

although both invlove the taking of human life.

Belief on whether the baby is alive or not aside, those are just the end results. Basically, we use a "means justify the ends" argument rather than an "end justifies the means" argument.

Abortion:
1) Abortion is going to happen regardless - and the death rate amongst those that perform it illegally is astonishingly high
2) The baby (especially early term fetuses) is incapable of being sustained outside the womb - as such, the mother's rights circumvent the baby's rights

Often people who oppose are those that oppose under the belief that a baby is alive from conception, and quite frankly - that overrides everything else

Death Penalty:
1) It has been proven not to be less costly than letting them rot
2) Too many incidents of wrong person convicted
3) Don't believe in vengence
4) Still a living human being

Most people that support death penalty often do it because they disagree with point 1 or 3 - sometimes because of deterrence (not disproven, but often argued against). I also note that #4 is often disregarded because they are no longer an innocent human being.

We propose that hypocrisy ends and that nations cannot support one with out supporting the other. Any nations that supports abortions should support executions, or not support either and vice versa.

Remove vice versa - you've already done vice versa

We understand that there is a great difference between these two practices, but at their core, a human life is being terminated.

Like I said, we aren't discussing end justifies the means

This proposal states that:
1) A nation must support both or not support both.
2) A nation can decide which path they choose.

#2 is illegal as it contradicts resolution 61. #1 basically makes it (thanks to resolution 61) so that all nations in the UN must now support the death penalty. Congradulations, you just dug the grave of this proposal

Thank you for your time.

Strength: Significant
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My time is free, however counselling services are not.

One big problem with your proposal, well besides the fact I'm not sure its legal under the proposal rules, but I'll let others who know the rules better than I do to comment on that.

Abortion is legal in all UN nations under a passed resolution so all UN nations support it whether they want to or not as complying with all passed resolutions isn't optional.

The death penalty has no passed resolution for or against, so the decision of whether to make it legal or not is up to each nation to decide for itself.

Your propsal won't work because no UN nation has a choice whether to support the Abortion resolution and if this passes (which it won't) you will be forcing all UN nations to legalise the death penalty.

Of course I don't need to mention the huge difference between a womans right to choose and the lawful execution of a fairly tried convicted felon.

My time is free, however counselling services are not.

Can I pay you in cheese?

Well thanks, from this I will learn.

You shall have to ask your psychiatrist about payment. I don't do his/her finances.