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And we wanked our maritime claims,
In our yellow scientific research station

I have another of what I am sure is ultimately going to run to millions of annoying questions about UN Resolutions. That said, I really would appreciate any clarification.

I was compiling my factbook, and was setting figures for maritime claims. I had reached what I thought was a reasonable figure. Then I remembered a reference to one nation's interpretation of 'The Law of the Sea' being a renowned example of getting round resolutions.

I have no idea what the nation in question did, but a thought occurred to me. Given the provision for any 'scientific research station', would it not be permissible for a nation to float many small scale research stations in order to expand their maritime claims? I appreciate that they might not wish to do so - the cost involved might mean that it would not be a viable enterprise - but would it be legitimate? Also, given that a scientific research station is not defined, that could be interpreted to include, well, a thermometer even? If Gruenberg were to shower its seas with thermometers, could it claim them all?

I say this again not as a direct criticism of the resolution - it is of course an abysmal piece of legislation, but that's not my point - but merely to help me acceed to the demands of the UN.

Any thoughts?

All together now:
We all godmode with a yellow scientific research station, a yellow scientific research station, a yellow scientific research station.

And we wanked our maritime claims,
In our yellow scientific research station


All together now:
We all godmode with a yellow scientific research station, a yellow scientific research station, a yellow scientific research station.

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You're not Ringo Starr by any chance? Are you?

No. I'm Annoying.

No. I'm Annoying.
Paul McCartney then.

Funny guy.

For all that I'm being irritating, that's just who I am. Is anyone actually in a position to offer at least an opinion on my question, if not an authoritative answer?

Funny guy.

For all that I'm being irritating, that's just who I am. Is anyone actually in a position to offer at least an opinion on my question, if not an authoritative answer?
Pleased to meet you Annoying. I'm Disquieting. As far as using thermometers disguised as 'scientific research stations' to expand territorial claims, well, it doesn't exactly say that you can't, but it doesn't say you can either. Even though the resolution in question does not define 'scientific research stations' I think it is implied that they would be manned stations rather than just floating thermometers. Admittedly though, you have found a possible loophole.

It would be prohibitively expensive to do so, but I suppose a nation could place research stations at 20 km. intervals and expand their territorial waters that way.

Pleased to meet you Annoying. I'm Disquieting. As far as using thermometers disguised as 'scientific research stations' to expand territorial claims, well, it doesn't exactly say that you can't, but it doesn't say you can either. Even though the resolution in question does not define 'scientific research stations' I think it is implied that they would be manned stations rather than just floating thermometers. Admittedly though, you have found a possible loophole.

Right. That's something I suppose. Although manned isn't specified. And international law isn't decided on the basis of implication.

So if you'll excuse me, I have a lot of thermometers to buy.

It would be prohibitively expensive to do so, but I suppose a nation could place research stations at 20 mi. intervals and expand their territorial waters that way.

But would it be? If one were to define a scientific research station as something relatively simplistic, the costs wouldn't be so huge, if one could guarantee a return on investment, in terms of exclusive fishing areas and trade routes.

I note that someone once suggested that they could put underwater colonies under another nation's waters to expand their territory due to flaws in UN resolutions.....

Right. That's something I suppose. Although manned isn't specified. And international law isn't decided on the basis of implication.

So if you'll excuse me, I have a lot of thermometers to buy.

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Edward Jones

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=439315

Well, it does now appear I'm going to have to go to war to defend my interpretation of this resolution (which is, I admit, tenuous). Nonetheless, should any nations agree with me, they're more than welcome to jump on board, either in a military capacity or a telling Shildonia where to stick it capacity - as I would hope that were even one NSRS to be internationally recognised, they might back down.

Um...one of what?

Nevermind. It was supposed to an image of a can of worms. I screwed up the [img] tag I guess. Sometimes me not post good.

No worries. I thought it would be something like that.

Pleased to meet you Annoying. I'm Disquieting. As far as using thermometers disguised as 'scientific research stations' to expand territorial claims, well, it doesn't exactly say that you can't, but it doesn't say you can either. Even though the resolution in question does not define 'scientific research stations' I think it is implied that they would be manned stations rather than just floating thermometers. Admittedly though, you have found a possible loophole.

I don't mean to hijack the thread or to promote my soon to be proposal but this would be a place my proposal would come in handy. The Rights Not Stated act would allow this to be legal if there was no law against it which there is not.

I don't mean to hijack the thread or to promote my soon to be proposal but this would be a place my proposal would come in handy. The Rights Not Stated act would allow this to be legal if there was no law against it which there is not.

Don't worry, the thread - like my navy, who tried to defend my interpretation - is dead. I have to say, though, I'm not overly keen on the TRNS Act. I like the idea, but not the wording.

I am actually rewording as we speak, I think it is more clear once I post it.