NationStates Jolt Archive

Is there any Rights not stated resolution that has been passed? The kind that reserves the rights to the Nations and the People even if they have not been stated by any other proposals? If not I will be making one. Just need to know if it exists already, Thanks.

- Pres. Aeiis Chindalia of The People's Republic of Queso Pinguino

Is there any Rights not stated resolution that has been passed? The kind that reserves the rights to the Nations and the People even if they have not been stated by any other proposals? If not I will be making one. Just need to know if it exists already, Thanks.

- Pres. Aeiis Chindalia of The People's Republic of Queso Pinguino

That is an idea that I would very much support, depending on how it was done.

Minister of UN Affairs
Edward Jones

That is an idea that I would very much support, depending on how it was done.

Minister of UN Affairs
Edward Jones

So it has not been done before? I am suprised, it sounds like something that should have been brought up at the beginning of the UN.

I will begin working on such a proposal.

So it has not been done before? I am suprised, it sounds like something that should have been brought up at the beginning of the UN.

OOC: I tend to agree. Unfortunately, the wonderful Max Barry did not. :D

I will begin working on such a proposal.

If you need any help in drafting this proposal, I would be happy to help.

Minister of UN Affairs
Edward Jones

Article 2, Rights and Duties of UN States. To summarize, you have the right to govern your country however you please as long as you don't contradict Internation law.

Article 2, Rights and Duties of United Nations. To summarize, you have the right to govern your country however you please as long as you don't contradict Internation law.

I thought you saw that resolution as guaranteeing approximately nothing in terms of sovereignty...but this would seem to indicate otherwise. :confused:

It guarantees nothing - just says you can do whatever the heck you want as long as it doesn't contradict UN resolutions. The fact that it guarantees nothing means that the UN doesn't have to consider any opinions of any nations on the necessity of weapons - just its own definition (or lackthereof) of the necessity of said weapons. If we made a resolution that pretty much, through multiple resolutions, said a certain weapon could not be deemed necessary for defense, than any nation that contradicts that needs to change their laws as such.

Sorry....shouldn't hijack this thread.

It guarantees nothing - just says you can do whatever the heck you want as long as it doesn't contradict UN resolutions.

Sorry....shouldn't hijack this thread.

Correct, which is why it doesn't constitute the Rights Not Stated proposal that our dear colleague Queso Pinguino was referring to. In order to truly guarantee those rights, a new (and more difficult to draft) proposal is needed.

Correct, which is why it doesn't constitute the Rights Not Stated proposal that our dear colleague Queso Pinguino was referring to. In order to truly guarantee those rights, a new (and more difficult to draft) proposal is needed.

Uh huh

I'd be amazed if you can pull it off without....shutting down the UN - or, I suppose the loophole you wanted to be used for UNSA, making it so the UN can only pass recommendation resolutions.

Uh huh

I'd be amazed if you can pull it off without....shutting down the UN - or, I suppose the loophole you wanted to be used for UNSA, making it so the UN can only pass recommendation resolutions.

One never knows. I've amazed people before. ;)

It was the UNSA Repeal that made me think of this proposal. That resolution granted UN nations the right to protect themselves with weapons that were already allowed by UN law. Well, you take that away and then it is not clearly stated that even though, lets say nukes, nukes are not banned who says we can use them? There would be reason for argument. With this proposal it will clarify about things that we were never told we could or couldn't do. This will say all things that are not clearly stated in past resolutions we reserve the right to.

I can't see why that would not be widely accepted.

It was the UNSA Repeal that made me think of this proposal. That resolution granted UN nations the right to protect themselves with weapons that were already allowed by UN law. Well, you take that away and then it is not clearly stated that even though, lets say nukes, nukes are not banned who says we can use them? There would be reason for argument. With this proposal it will clarify about things that we were never told we could or couldn't do. This will say all things that are not clearly stated in past resolutions we reserve the right to.

I can't see why that would not be widely accepted.

Until we have a resolution that says you can't use nukes, you are allowed to use nukes as much as you want - again, by Rights and Duties of UN States, Article 2. There is no article within any UN resolution that using nukes would contradict. As such, the article applies in this case and you would have that right.

However, that right is not guaranteed to be protected - and should a new resolution be passed that bans the use of nuclear weapons, no longer will you be allowed to use them.

Uh huh

I'd be amazed if you can pull it off without....shutting down the UN - or, I suppose the loophole you wanted to be used for UNSA, making it so the UN can only pass recommendation resolutions.

I was going for the latter...

Until we have a resolution that says you can't use nukes, you are allowed to use nukes as much as you want - again, by Rights and Duties of UN States, Article 2. There is no article within any UN resolution that using nukes would contradict. As such, the article applies in this case and you would have that right.

However, that right is not guaranteed to be protected - and should a new resolution be passed that bans the use of nuclear weapons, no longer will you be allowed to use them.

The nukes thing was only an example and only 1 case in which rights could be confused. There are, I am sure, many others, but I am extreamly busy right now so I can't go into them, I will further my point when I return.